JTEL

So which car would win if a stock S2000 and a stock CL-S would race?

Zapata

depends on the driver.

NiTr0u5oXiDe

Probably the S2000, because it lighter, and it has more torque... but i could be wrong.

BlackShadow

If launched properly, the S2000 will always win!

BTW, what do you mean by a race? 0-60? 1/4? top speed?

jttoombs

Id say the S2000 hands down it weights 700+ lbs less than the CL S it has 20 less peak hp but then again it is a DOHC VTEC. If you know anything about VTEC the only true high performance stock VTECs are DOHC. SOHC's like ours are medium performance engines and SOHC (E) VTECs like certain civics,have is only for gas efficiency.
The stock 1/4 for a S2000 is 13.8 stock for the CL-S stock its 14.6

jimcol711

i was at the track last week and saw a heavily modded (i.e. entire body kit and hood, carbon fiber top, etc, header, intake, exhaust, racing seats, etc....) running consistant 15.5 1/4 miles...apartently the guy didnt know how to launch, but come on....15.5? in a modded S2000?? the only STOCK car in our class that i know can toast our ass is the GTP...those fuckers are fast stock, they run 14.5-14.7 and even lower in alot of cases lower in the 1/4 mile stock

Mike

Drivers being equal the sk2 wins every time.

jttoombs

whats a GTP?

jimcol711

Pontiac Grand Prix GTP.....240 hp supercharged 3.8 liter, and a boatload of torque more than a CL-S

JagV12

The S2000 has less torque then the CL-S. 153 Ft Lbs of torque at 7500rpm vs 232 ft lbs of torque at 3500rpm. Huge difference!!

darrinb

wtf are u talkin bout??

An automatic stock cl-s will waste a stock gtp!!

NSX-R

I raced my cl-s against my friends stock s2k and he beat me by a bout a car length. i have a injen CAI and my friends pretty good with manual. unless the s2k driver sucks s2k will always win

Mike

i've jeard that the cars are pretty even so it gets down to the drivers. the gtp will almost always get us off the line but we have better midrange and a better top end. I wish we had a SC'd 3.8l engine!!!

jttoombs, there aren't too many sk2s running 13.8. you really have to thrash the car (clutch) in order to acheive those times.

jimcol711, what were the gtp's trapping?

jimcol711

first of all, like i said, i saw a modded out S2000 doing pathetic 15.5 sec. times...i HIGHLY doubt ANYTHING in the 13s from a stock S2000....second of all, you guys need to respect the GTP...it doesnt trap as high as our cars, but it traps ok, like 92-94...but the actual time is what im talkin about...my freinds stock GTP ran 14.5 all night, what the fuck CL-S can beat that without the 6 speed??? and there are guys on CLUPGP that do 14.3 stock, and even one 13.9!!!! unbeleivable but true....dont ever underestimate a GTP...modded GTP's are now in the fucking 11's!!! one member over there has hit 11!!!! and many many others are in the 12's....face it, CL-S is no match for thje GTP...ESPECIALLY a GTP wit mods.....christ, a CL-S six speed with every mod available including the up coming RES and the comptech blower probably will be lucky to hit the mid-12's

jimcol711

dont get me wrong, however, i love my CL-S even if it is slow by comparison to a GTP...BUT Acura is in a whole different league than Pontiac so i think that more than makes up for it....GTPs dont have practically any of the features of a CL-S...BUT they do blow us away in races...i guess you give and take in this situation

Black CL-S 4-Life

I wouldn't say they blow us away. GTP's and CL-S is a close race, with the GTP having the edge down low, because of torque. They run out of gas around 70-80 becuase their gearing is even worse than ours.

ThoroDredCLS

Why the hell are we talking about GTPs anyway. This is dumb, it's a freaking SUPER CHARGED 3.8L engine. WTF?! We have a measily 3.2l SOHC VTEC and we can produce the same numbers as them. I don't understand the hype. BIGGER ENGINE, WITH A SUPER CHARGER. Now imagine the little measily 3.2 we have and throw a super charger on that. WE WOULD COMPLETE OBLITHERATE the GTP. Plus I haven't lost to one with my torqueless, heavy measily 3.2l vtec Yeah I respect them, but come on, you have to give our cars their props. NOT EVERY GTP owner can produce low-mid 14s. Just like us with the cls, not every member has produce ground breaking times.

Zapata

Dom418

I know for a fact that I can beat a stock GTP relatively easily....

jimcol711

I can agree with you on most of this post, i also think its pretty interesting how it takes GM 3.8 liters and a supercharger to produce 20 LESS HP than our 3.2 liter NA motor..heheh, but dude, if you havent lost to one of these beasts, you havent ran into a modded one, go check CLUBGP.com...they have many proven timeslips of 12.5 and below!! with less than 1000 in mods, these guys are in the 13's!!! we are lucky to break 14.5 with the 1000 dollar headers...thats just kind of depressing i think...but also, like i said, we have the much better car all around, regardless of speed, the Acura CL-S is a much much tighter package than a GTP

jimcol711

dude, maybe SOME stock GTP, but you dont even have headers...good luck when coming across a GTP like my buddies that runs 14.5 stock....and that is a COMMON occurance!!! we are lucky to break 15 flat in stock form, you know that!

Roell

In defense to our cars, I have seen other GTPs race, and besides Matts, I have NEVER seen on breal 15 at the track before.

Not all GTPs run 14.7, even fewer run lower. Also keep in mind that just because one guy ran a sub 14, you might want to think about how he did it. Gutted interior, lighter wheels, 30 degree temp, low elevation, who konws what other factors played into it.

Brian

jimcol711

hey brian, you are correct, the guy that ran the 13.9 stock probabaly had alot of outside factors working for him like good weather and so forth, and that one occurance is the only GTP ever recorded on their site that did THAT fast in stock form....but if you go to ClubGP.com you will see that the typical STOCK time for a GTP is about 14.5-14-8...they usually dont have problems breaking the 15 second barrier...im not sure of the specifics of that 13.9 second STOCK GTP run, but i doubt that anyone whose hasnt done any modding at all is gonna take the time to rip out his seats, interior, etc...it was probably just a lucky run. i dunno, i mean, i always used to talk shit to matt about his GTP but now that ive seen what he can run and also researching more on clubGP....i have alot more respect for those cars. id be really curious to see how matts GTP would perform in its STOCK form at a lower temp...i wouldnt be surprised to see a 14.4 out of that car at 30-40 degrees.

on a side note, give me a call brian, my cell phone has been dead for the last few days and i didnt have any minutes left, but its all good now, let me know if you wanna do somethin this weekend, we should get together.

ThoroDredCLS

Jimcol711 - I can understand the fact that you like GTPs but in the real world scenario. I am not going to run into alot of GTPs that are fully hooked up. The reason why they go so fast is obviously the supercharger. With them having the supercharger, it's easier for them to make significant gains with mods. Example, pulleys, boost, chips and everything else. Thats why they pay so little to get so much gain. We are already getting alot of horsepower out of a 3.2L. Now if honda were to put the 3.5l engine thats in the RL or MDX in our cars, we break sub 6s. Example, the 3.5 conversion. I race people rather on track or streets, and I will tell you, I have not run into many modded GTPs if any. You can't use the excuse of your boy having a super modded gtp and I will never get a chance to be able to race him. Fact of the matter, I rarely see a CLS, more less seeing a modded cls. Same with gtps. So day to day driving, if a gtp pulls my way, and they are not modded, and i still haven't seen one, me being modded, I will tear one a new @sshole. :P

Black CL-S 4-Life

I disagree. Honda could easily squeeze out another 30-40 hp out of this engine...maybe more. This engine has so much untapped power that its sick! Look at the S2000 240hp for a 4 banger.

jimcol711

also look at the NSX 3.2 liter with 290 HP...we know its possible to crank more HP out of the naturally aspirated 3.2 liter...thats a really respectable #..they should fuckin throw THE NSX 3.2 liter in the CL-S and give the NSX a 400 hp V8!!! that would be the shit

FDao

Red Rider

I totally agree, but miss a shift and it's close.

typeR

an S2K driver must be very good and very brave 9K rpm to have a shot...i just about beat my friends s2k with comptech S/C and 70 shot though he says he didnt squeeze on that pass he sure did real me in quick...2/3s down the 1/8th i was ahead all of a sudden he goes by to a 9.0 to my 9.433 at 76.77...this is 1/8th mile keep in mind...my friend GTP with pulley upgrade i spank him every time....

monkey

Which ever car is faster, the CL or the GTP. The CL is a better looking car. A good comparison for the GTP would be another V6 with forced induction. Putting dollars aside a more interesting race would be a SupraTT and a GTP.

quikcls

the supra would smoke the hell out of a freakn gtp. it makes no sense comparing a gtp to us, we're faster and we're in a different class:pee: