Nicky Pass

I'm on my 5th coat since yesterday morning........I plan on doing atleast 2-3 more.......Has anyone done more than this?

NOVAwhiteTypeS

w/ zfx you can only do 3 coats max in 24 hours. so i did 6 coats in 2 days.

tw1112

So I dont get it....doesnt the instructions say that you are suppose to wait so many hours between coats and then you have to wait something like 24hrs? Here is a snippet

Nicky Pass

I put it on in 20 min........wait 2 hours......take it of.....wait an hour or two, z6, then do it again. It works for me.....

tw1112

Nicky is that with or withour zfx?

Nicky Pass

No zfx.....but it is above 80 degrees in Chicago.....I also use Scooter's method....let it bake in the sun!!!!!!!!!

tw1112

ooh okay

mattg

um, get a life.

Generationz

you're gonna fuck up your paint

Nicky Pass

mattg.........blow me. And how will it screw the paint up....If that was true, Shawn S's car would be F*CKED!!!!!!!

TypeSAddict

Haha, you said blow. hahah

Scooter

Memorial weekend i had 7 coats...1 of Z5, and 6 of Z2

add in the 3 Z2's the following Sat (the day before the PAA meet), and u get 10 coats in 1 week...u think i take my Zaino'ing seriously???

bnavarro

i heard that if u put too much wax, it causes a wax build up and dulls the finish on the car. can't remember where i heard that though.

synth19

Nicky,
seriously...you're wasting your time putting on multiple coats if you're NOT using ZFX.....There is a cure time needed after applyiing Z2.

synth19

You're right...but Zaino isnt a wax.

bnavarro

what is it, polish?

tw1112

yeah it is a polish

EricL

Same here -- that's the max count (as others have said...)

Perhaps applying the ZFX (in a rocket's hanger deck) traveling out of the solar system and back near the speed of light can change all of this...

Nicky Pass

I have had my woman drive this weekend........since friday(thursday night) I have a total of seven coats........I'm out of Z2. Now I don't have to Zaino for a while....just Z6

mattg

nicky, you are a spoiled little bitch.


that is all

Nicky Pass

I took my car to a local car show, and a lot of people asked me what I did to get my car soooooooo shiney, so obviously, the zaino is workin'. I actually saw a couple of peopl take some pics of the ride

bnavarro

correct me if i'm wrong, but doesen't a polish just make the paint shine? wouldn't be adding more coats just wasting time and money? it's not like your adding wax, it's just buffing up the surface?

Nicky Pass

Zaino is a Polish/Protectant

SiGGy

zaino is a polymer it bonds with the paint. It's more than just a polish. The polish is the step you finish with. The other coats contain the polymers, which act similar to a wax.

EricL

I currently have just over 20-coats, but the difference between coats 1, 2, and 3 were very obvious to both my wife and me. When I had the car over at a buddy's detail shop (for some carpet cleaning and free car wash), a couple of folks showed up who had a "PERFECT" award winning Mercedes 280SL. They stopped and walked around the car a few times asking what was on the car and that it looked so smooth and thick (around 8-10 coats at the time [as I remember]). In short, it really does thicken up and the additional layers offer "some" protection to smaller bits of junk flying through the air. (They were more interested in the aggressive tires and in the paint protection [the Zaino] )


It’s a "cross-linked" polymer (well, check with Sal Zaino).

It not only bonds with the paint, but unlike some other waxes and "protestants", it bonds to previous applied layers and allows many, many coats to be built up to provide "extra" protection. (As Shawn and a zillion others around here will confirm...)

24 hr cure time between coats without ZFX, and less than 30-minutes with it...

It is interesting that Sal Zaino calls his products "Polish", when it really is a protectant...


From site:

"Z-2 SHOW CAR POLISH FOR CLEAR COATED FINISHES

...Z-2 is a hydrophobic-based formula and contains no abrasives, silicones, or yellowing carnauba wax. Z-2 is the easiest and quickest polish you will ever use..."


The Z1 was something of a "cleaner", but I stopped using it with the ZFX and the car really wants to be "super clean" when applying the Z2 and/or Z5.

A quick spot clay
AND/OR
A taste of 39009 by 3M (and similar products)
AND/OR
A good car wash FOLLOWED BY A
Z6'ing


seems to be the "polish/cleaner" step(s) for this product...

$0.02 (my opinions only...)

autophile1

Just make sure not to leave the Z2 with ZFX on too long. I made that mistake this weekend. I applied a coat with ZFX and then I had to head out for awhile and awhile turned into 7hrs. The stuff was hard to get off and it left a "sticky" feeling rather than the usual smoothness. The gloss enhancer fixed this but it is not worth the trouble.

I used to be a die hard Maguiars fan but man this stuff is incredible. I applied my first 3 coats 2 weeks ago and drove it through 3 bouts of heavy rain then when washing this weekend the water didn't just bead it was actually sheeting off of the car, including the trunk and hood!! And man that shine...

Bryan

Scooter

instead of starting another thread bout Zaino, i'll just post it here:

this weekend, i had my first startling discovery of Zaino...first, a little background...

last weekend was PAA meet...i participated in the Zainoff contest...my car was prepped and ready to go throughout the morning, however when the BBQ was underway, the smoke started to streak the Z6 topcoat mostly on 1 side of the car (the side facing the BBQ), so i took more Z6 to (attempt to) remove the streaks...i was both successful and unsuccessful...what i wound up doing was use plain water to get rid of the streaks, which was about 75% successful, but the damage was done...so until PAA tracing back 1 week, i had 10 coats of Z plus a hella lot of Z6 at the PAA meet

now with that in mind, let's get back to this weekend...did my usual wash and dry and did 1, just 1, coat of Z2...didn't even do ZFX since i wanna save it and the Z2 for later (i figure with all the coats i have (20+ in the past couple months), my paint needs a break )...let the car bake in the sun for hours like i normally do...go to buff off using a clean, freshly washed Z towel like always...SMEARING ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!!!! smearing more on the side i Z6'ed moreso than the other side...first thought, weather, right??? it was not humid by me and it was mid 70's, so that argument's out...here are my 2 possible answers:

1. too much Z6 still on the surface...the paint's obviously supersaturated...a couple washes will take care of that

2. too much Z overall...i think it's not out of the question for there to b a situation where the paint simply cannot mix with Z like it would if it's the initial few coats...as i discussed before, by the time i was on my 6th and 7th coats of Z the weekend before PAA (1 coat Friday, 3 coats Sat, and 3 coats Sun), the Z was starting to smear using the same methods i always use...coats 8 - 10 were the day before the meet, so i gave the paint a good 5 days to absorb all previous coats, and that was including the really bad thunderstorms we got, and coats 8 - 10 were pretty good, except the 10th coat i got was a little smeary, but it was minimal...answers to this issue may b 1, allow more time between applying & buffing as u get into more and more coats in a shorter amount of time, or 2, simply don't do as many coats in a short amount of time...i don't think our paint can really handle a seemingly overkill of ZFX in a 48 hour period, although the feel of the finish is virtually friction-free...AND yesterday after i washed the car and before i applied Z2, the car felt just as glassy, which is a change from previous times after washing where there's noticeably more friction

any thoughts???? please keep in mind i've been using Zaino for quite some time and have perfected a routine that i consider to b very effective in getting the most out of Z, so it's not like i'm an amateur doing this for the first time and all ...im interested in hearing what u think is the more realistic answer that would explain the smearing...thanks and sorry for the looooong post

NSXNEXT

iTrader: (2)

I don't think so. 90+ coats of Zaino.

sorty

Shawn S

Scooter, I don’t really know what to tell you.
Is it possible you got some burger grease UNDER one of the coats of ZAINO?

I know last Sunday when I got home I scrubbed the HELL out of the car to get it all off of mine.
My windshield still has some “dots” on it that I will need to get with the Windex.
I haven’t waxed (Z-2) since that day. Only a light coat of Z-6 after the last wash.

As for the multiple coats, I’ve never done more then (6) coats in a weekend so I’m not sure if that is part of your problem as well.
Maybe even the ZFX has its limitations.

Shawn S

Scooter

i decided to just put on Z2 and NOT use Z6, so let's see what happens

soopa

waaaaaah :'( waaaaaaaah :'( waaaaahhhhh :'(

sLaMMedv6

u cl guys are crazy...:sqnteek: i've only put 2 coats of z2 on my car and its pretty shiny already, but 10+ or even 20+ coats!! I dont have the time or the energy... lol. your shines are pretty damn impressive though. maybe i'll go for 3 coats next time.

I have one question for u guys though. If i use a clay bar, will it strip off all the zaino? because i just put on a coat of z2 this weekend and the hood felt a little lumpy. i think i didn't spread out the z2 thin enough. I'm also using a clay magic clay bar if it makes any difference.

thanks

synth19

the clay bar WILL strip a bit of the Zaino

Nicky Pass

Heres a Nicky Pass Zaino tip............After Z2 or Z5 instead of Z6, use a spray bottle and mist ICE COLD water on a towel and wipe it down. I only use Z6 if I wash my car and don't polish it

sLaMMedv6

thank for the help guys. im gonna apply a couple extra coats this weekend!

Nicky Pass

WELCOME:P