Whats faster 3.5 conversion or SC?
Whats faster 3.5 conversion or SC?
Im planning to make my car faster and i was debating between SC or 3.5 Conversion. I know TypeR has the 3.5 and runs low 13's. What times do you SCed guys run at the 1/4 mile?
Also whats cheaper? I did some research and found the SC for around 4k? How much does the 3.5 cost?
Thx for your time...
Also whats cheaper? I did some research and found the SC for around 4k? How much does the 3.5 cost?
Thx for your time...
Racer
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Originally Posted by juruki
Im planning to make my car faster and i was debating between SC or 3.5 Conversion. I know TypeR has the 3.5 and runs low 13's. What times do you SCed guys run at the 1/4 mile?
Also whats cheaper? I did some research and found the SC for around 4k? How much does the 3.5 cost?
Thx for your time...
Also whats cheaper? I did some research and found the SC for around 4k? How much does the 3.5 cost?
Thx for your time...
318whp/289wtq @ 6psi
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From: Accokeek, Maryland
Originally Posted by aznxtallxboy
3.5 conversion, and then SC it! hehe, is that even possible? i have no clue.
It's possible. There is a couple guys with both the 3.5 swap and a supercharger.
Blown is Best
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Originally Posted by aznxtallxboy
3.5 conversion, and then SC it! hehe, is that even possible? i have no clue.
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Hmm... What's faster? Well that depends. With the stroked motor alone vs. the supercharger alone (no other mods on either car) I'd have to say the supercharger.
TypeR has pulled of a 13.3 @ 105-106 MPH at the track. Quite impressive, but he also has the best 60' out there for street tires (maybe the best overall). With the same ET (13.30) but a slower 60' (2.000) I trapped at 108 MPH with my modded S/C'ed automatic. My car also dyno'd a lot higher than his (although his torque numbers were VERY close).
It's a toss up. You have to really mod the car with the 3.5L motor to get the most from it. TypeR has nearly every modification on his car (short of exhaust) including some internal port and polishing.
It's a toss up. The supercharger has more potential and can be made faster easier IMO. There's something to say about making all that power just on the motor though.
TypeR has pulled of a 13.3 @ 105-106 MPH at the track. Quite impressive, but he also has the best 60' out there for street tires (maybe the best overall). With the same ET (13.30) but a slower 60' (2.000) I trapped at 108 MPH with my modded S/C'ed automatic. My car also dyno'd a lot higher than his (although his torque numbers were VERY close).
It's a toss up. You have to really mod the car with the 3.5L motor to get the most from it. TypeR has nearly every modification on his car (short of exhaust) including some internal port and polishing.
It's a toss up. The supercharger has more potential and can be made faster easier IMO. There's something to say about making all that power just on the motor though.
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
I'll meet him half way 
http://www.gainesvilleraceway.com/ap...ack%20Schedule
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Parting out 02 Type S :(
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i was considering the 3.5 as well before the SC. Both will gain about the same. However, if you start to mess with either setup, it will be much easier and more affordable to get more power out of the SCed engine than the 3.5
I would like to take this moment to point out that TypeR's car is not your average 3.5 He has removed a whole lot of things from the car for weight purposes, things that most people would never do. I dont think he is a good comparison for the SCed crowd. Generally, i think an SCed engine would provide more power than the 3.5
I would like to take this moment to point out that TypeR's car is not your average 3.5 He has removed a whole lot of things from the car for weight purposes, things that most people would never do. I dont think he is a good comparison for the SCed crowd. Generally, i think an SCed engine would provide more power than the 3.5
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From: So Cal
Originally Posted by power3dfx
i was considering the 3.5 as well before the SC. Both will gain about the same. However, if you start to mess with either setup, it will be much easier and more affordable to get more power out of the SCed engine than the 3.5
I would like to take this moment to point out that TypeR's car is not your average 3.5 He has removed a whole lot of things from the car for weight purposes, things that most people would never do. I dont think he is a good comparison for the SCed crowd. Generally, i think an SCed engine would provide more power than the 3.5
I would like to take this moment to point out that TypeR's car is not your average 3.5 He has removed a whole lot of things from the car for weight purposes, things that most people would never do. I dont think he is a good comparison for the SCed crowd. Generally, i think an SCed engine would provide more power than the 3.5
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I would still like to spend the money with a 3.5L, bigger blower, bolt on the IC and custom hood.
... who knows... probably would have to get a custom jack shaft... but like they say.. you got to pay to play... and if you can not run with the big dawgs, stay on the front porch.
... who knows... probably would have to get a custom jack shaft... but like they say.. you got to pay to play... and if you can not run with the big dawgs, stay on the front porch.
Originally Posted by Smitty
wheel hop ownz all...
Wheel hop owned me tonight. I won't be headed back to the track in the CL-S6.
Oh and if you are looking for more power send the blower out to be ported. For around $500 you'll probably pick up 2psi and 20+whp
Suzuka Master
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Which would be faster, it is a numbers game. But given the same car with the same setup, the blower would be quicker without a doubt. typeR's car is not typical of all and since it is the only real specimen and driven by a die hard track addict there is no real comparison. But based on numbers alone, the SC makes more power overall by far.
Suzuka Master
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Oh and if you are looking for more power send the blower out to be ported. For around $500 you'll probably pick up 2psi and 20+whp
On and for the record... I'm done with mods for the CL-S. It just isn't worth it. The 6-speed is horrible at the track in comparison to the '02 CL-S. Can't seem to trap over 104 MPH whereas I was routinely in the 106-107 range with a few 108's. And to top it off my best run all night was a 14.0 @ 104 with a 2.20 60'. I can't explain it at all. This car is just slower than the CL-S I had before. It doesn't have exhaust but I don't feel like spending $700+ just to pick that up. I've got more important things to spend my money on... like a house. When the time comes that I can afford a car that truely is "fast" I'll change my tune. But a 13 second car just isn't all that quick anymore. 
Originally Posted by scalbert
Nope, just decrease the outlet temps which will yield power.
Interesting. A guy I know did it on his Lightning (M112) and his boost increased by 1.5psi
and he picked up 35whp.