What is Understeer?
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What is Understeer?
What is Understeer? I looked it up but all it says is tu turn less than the driver expected. That sounds like a non-answer. Can't one correct for understeer simply by turing the wheel more? What about oversteer?
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My view on understeer is when the car does not react to the turning which you are doing with the wheel. The tires begin to slip forward and not turn the car as much as you want. You begin to plow through the turn.
Oversteer is just the opposite. The car seems to grab too tightly and turn into the turn more that what you expect from the amount of steering wheel turn that you have made.
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Oversteer is just the opposite. The car seems to grab too tightly and turn into the turn more that what you expect from the amount of steering wheel turn that you have made.
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When you are trying to go around a turn fast, and you can't hold it and end up in the other on coming traffic lane. That is understeer, you want a car to have a little bit of oversteer.
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Famous quote from a famous rally racer that doesn't immediately come to mind:
"Oversteer is when the navigator is really scared. Understeer is when the driver is really scared."
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"Oversteer is when the navigator is really scared. Understeer is when the driver is really scared."
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Understeer: You are going around a corner and as you turn the wheel the car wants to keep going straight.
To correct this, ease up on the throttle and apply a little brake force. This has the effect of making the front of the car dive, and transfering more weight onto front tires so they grip more, and you can steer better.
Oversteer: You're going around a corner and the the car's rear tires break loose making the tail of the car try to pass the front of the car on the outside.
To correct this, you want to make sure you turn the wheels toward the direction you are sliding and give the car a little gas. This will push the rear of the car down and transfer weight to the rear tires, making them grip better and straightening out the car again.
The common denominator to correcting both problems is weight transfer.
Two keys to correcting oversteer and understeer:
1. ALWAYS look where you want to go, not at what you're worried about crashing into. Sounds easy - but takes practice. You have to have confidence that the car will go in the direction you are pointing your head.
2. Apply steering, throttle or brake changes gradually and smoothly; if you don't you will overcorrect and the car will take control away from you.
I am paraphrasing the above from a few days indoctrination at Bob Bondurant's School of High Performance Driving. If you ever get the opportunity to go there, you will leave with an unduplicatable understanding of understeer/oversteer . . . and a huge grin on your face.
[This message has been edited by Water Rabbit (edited 02-15-2001).]
To correct this, ease up on the throttle and apply a little brake force. This has the effect of making the front of the car dive, and transfering more weight onto front tires so they grip more, and you can steer better.
Oversteer: You're going around a corner and the the car's rear tires break loose making the tail of the car try to pass the front of the car on the outside.
To correct this, you want to make sure you turn the wheels toward the direction you are sliding and give the car a little gas. This will push the rear of the car down and transfer weight to the rear tires, making them grip better and straightening out the car again.
The common denominator to correcting both problems is weight transfer.
Two keys to correcting oversteer and understeer:
1. ALWAYS look where you want to go, not at what you're worried about crashing into. Sounds easy - but takes practice. You have to have confidence that the car will go in the direction you are pointing your head.
2. Apply steering, throttle or brake changes gradually and smoothly; if you don't you will overcorrect and the car will take control away from you.
I am paraphrasing the above from a few days indoctrination at Bob Bondurant's School of High Performance Driving. If you ever get the opportunity to go there, you will leave with an unduplicatable understanding of understeer/oversteer . . . and a huge grin on your face.
[This message has been edited by Water Rabbit (edited 02-15-2001).]
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Water Rabbit:
Understeer: You are going around a corner and as you turn the wheel the car wants to keep going straight.
To correct this, ease up on the throttle and apply a little brake force. This has the effect of making the front of the car dive, and transfering more weight onto front tires so they grip more, and you can steer better.
Oversteer: You're going around a corner and the the car's rear tires break loose making the tail of the car try to pass the front of the car on the outside.
To correct this, you want to make sure you turn the wheels toward the direction you are sliding and give the car a little gas. This will push the rear of the car down and transfer weight to the rear tires, making them grip better and straightening out the car again.
The common denominator to correcting both problems is weight transfer.
Two keys to correcting oversteer and understeer:
1. ALWAYS look where you want to go, not at what you're worried about crashing into. Sounds easy - but takes practice. You have to have confidence that the car will go in the direction you are pointing your head.
2. Apply steering, throttle or brake changes gradually and smoothly; if you don't you will overcorrect and the car will take control away from you.</font>
Understeer: You are going around a corner and as you turn the wheel the car wants to keep going straight.
To correct this, ease up on the throttle and apply a little brake force. This has the effect of making the front of the car dive, and transfering more weight onto front tires so they grip more, and you can steer better.
Oversteer: You're going around a corner and the the car's rear tires break loose making the tail of the car try to pass the front of the car on the outside.
To correct this, you want to make sure you turn the wheels toward the direction you are sliding and give the car a little gas. This will push the rear of the car down and transfer weight to the rear tires, making them grip better and straightening out the car again.
The common denominator to correcting both problems is weight transfer.
Two keys to correcting oversteer and understeer:
1. ALWAYS look where you want to go, not at what you're worried about crashing into. Sounds easy - but takes practice. You have to have confidence that the car will go in the direction you are pointing your head.
2. Apply steering, throttle or brake changes gradually and smoothly; if you don't you will overcorrect and the car will take control away from you.</font>
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Another quote from the racing world,
"Understeer will cause you to hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer and you hit the wall with the rear of the car".
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"Understeer will cause you to hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer and you hit the wall with the rear of the car".
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Water Rabbit:
Understeer: You are going around a corner and as you turn the wheel the car wants to keep going straight.
To correct this, ease up on the throttle and apply a little brake force. This has the effect of making the front of the car dive, and transfering more weight onto front tires so they grip more, and you can steer better.
Oversteer: You're going around a corner and the the car's rear tires break loose making the tail of the car try to pass the front of the car on the outside.
To correct this, you want to make sure you turn the wheels toward the direction you are sliding and give the car a little gas. This will push the rear of the car down and transfer weight to the rear tires, making them grip better and straightening out the car again.
The common denominator to correcting both problems is weight transfer.
Two keys to correcting oversteer and understeer:
1. ALWAYS look where you want to go, not at what you're worried about crashing into. Sounds easy - but takes practice. You have to have confidence that the car will go in the direction you are pointing your head.
2. Apply steering, throttle or brake changes gradually and smoothly; if you don't you will overcorrect and the car will take control away from you.</font>
Understeer: You are going around a corner and as you turn the wheel the car wants to keep going straight.
To correct this, ease up on the throttle and apply a little brake force. This has the effect of making the front of the car dive, and transfering more weight onto front tires so they grip more, and you can steer better.
Oversteer: You're going around a corner and the the car's rear tires break loose making the tail of the car try to pass the front of the car on the outside.
To correct this, you want to make sure you turn the wheels toward the direction you are sliding and give the car a little gas. This will push the rear of the car down and transfer weight to the rear tires, making them grip better and straightening out the car again.
The common denominator to correcting both problems is weight transfer.
Two keys to correcting oversteer and understeer:
1. ALWAYS look where you want to go, not at what you're worried about crashing into. Sounds easy - but takes practice. You have to have confidence that the car will go in the direction you are pointing your head.
2. Apply steering, throttle or brake changes gradually and smoothly; if you don't you will overcorrect and the car will take control away from you.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by MikeS 18:
Bob Bondurant aka Water Rabbit!
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Bob Bondurant aka Water Rabbit!
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Takes one to know one?
I was there earlier this month for a course, but I thought all this was a pretty general view of understeer/oversteer. If it's so easily identified as Bondurant's philosophy then I am remiss in not crediting my source. I'll fix that.
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You can tell you guys are cyber drivers and not real track drivers. If your car is understeering and you apply the brakes you understeer MORE! The only way to get out of an understeer situation is to let the car slow down naturally, add power (rear wheel drive only), lift throttle oversteer, down shift, or pull the emergency brake slide routine.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Acura_CL:
What is Understeer? I looked it up but all it says is tu turn less than the driver expected. That sounds like a non-answer. Can't one correct for understeer simply by turing the wheel more? What about oversteer?
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What is Understeer? I looked it up but all it says is tu turn less than the driver expected. That sounds like a non-answer. Can't one correct for understeer simply by turing the wheel more? What about oversteer?
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He can provide actual pictures of what happens when things go horribly wrong.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by bone_stock:
You can tell you guys are cyber drivers and not real track drivers. If your car is understeering and you apply the brakes you understeer MORE! The only way to get out of an understeer situation is to let the car slow down naturally, add power (rear wheel drive only), lift throttle oversteer, down shift, or pull the emergency brake slide routine. </font>
You can tell you guys are cyber drivers and not real track drivers. If your car is understeering and you apply the brakes you understeer MORE! The only way to get out of an understeer situation is to let the car slow down naturally, add power (rear wheel drive only), lift throttle oversteer, down shift, or pull the emergency brake slide routine. </font>
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