What kind of times are lightly modded CLS running?

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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 12:18 PM
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What kind of times are lightly modded CLS running?

I have a 3.5SE 5-spd Altima, and I am lightly modded. Actually I wouldn't even really consider what I have to be modded, but the car is not the exact same it was from the factory. Here are my two best times so far, both ran on the same day.

R/T...........1.021
60............2.189
330..........6.121
1/8...........9.341
MPH..........75.29
1000........12.122
1/4..........14.455
MPH..........96.73



R/T...........0.879
60............2.207
330..........6.106
1/8...........9.307
MPH..........75.58
1000........12.079
1/4...........14.404
MPH..........97.08


By the way my "light mods" are better tires (Bridgestone Potenza SO3 PP's) on stock wheels, and a timing advance. Otherwise I am stock, I made these runs with full interior, everything still in the trunk, no tire pressure adjustments, and a quarter tank of gas. Weighed at the track and came in at 3186lbs without driver, and 3388lbs with driver.

So lets hear it CLS guys, I specifically say lightly modded because I know there is a crap load of mods available for you guys including a supercharger, I know those guys run low 14's to mid 13's easy. I want to hear from the regular Joe's like me.
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 12:39 PM
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I will generalize and say that most autos run 14.8-9+ stock. Lightly modded ones maybe...14.6+

The 6 speeds will run 14.5+ (a few 14.4s) but I'll the 6speeds speak to that.

Sounds like you have a strong car. Nice 60' for street tires too.
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 01:49 PM
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Thanks for the reply Mike. Yeah I am very pleased with my car, I am sure i could've gotten 14.3's out of her, but I had to leave the track 2 runs after my 14.404, on those two runs I slightly flubbed shifts and ran a 14.45 and a 14.47 with 2.1 60fts, so i know if I had nailed those runs I would've been in the high 14.3's.

This site seems kinda slow, then again 19 views and 1 reply isn't slow just silent.

Maybe if I define lightly modded I'll get a few replies.

Lightly Modded:

You have only one or none of the standard performance upgrades like ECU upgrade/reprogram, intake, header, exhaust, lighter wheels, weight reduction, and drag slicks if you have two or more of these, you're modded.

Furthermore once you have a aftermarket supercharger or turbocharger. You're modded.

Things that can be combined, that I still consider to be lightly modded. Better street tires, ECU flashes i.e. timing advance, TSB's, synthetic oil, grounding kit. Basically simple cheap stuff that you do really quick, or logical upgrades like new tires I would consider to be lightly modded.

So now will you guys reply .
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 05:03 PM
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i had a 14.5@98 with just an intake with my 01 5at... stock tires that had 20k on them.
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 06:40 PM
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nice times, damn your car is light

i ran 14.2@98

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stock tires, stock springs...5 speed auto
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 10:21 PM
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yea ur car is fukin light wtf? ur six speed right?
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 10:51 PM
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I think it's possible that the power differences of the Nissan 3.5L engine among its many different platforms aren't as great as Nissan claims. Most likely Nissan doesn't want customers to know that the power output of the Altima, Maxima, G35, and 350Z are virtually identical.
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Old Oct 31, 2003 | 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by SpeedyV6
I think it's possible that the power differences of the Nissan 3.5L engine among its many different platforms aren't as great as Nissan claims. Most likely Nissan doesn't want customers to know that the power output of the Altima, Maxima, G35, and 350Z are virtually identical.
I kinda sorta agree. All Nissan cars with the VQ35DE are probably within 20-25HP each other, but the weight of the car + the HP output of the engine makes a huge difference.

For instance on my 14.404 run I went up against a G35c 6spd, I got him by a car length only because he flubbed his 3rd-4th shift meanwhile as a 5spd I get to stay in 3rd all the way through the line. I still ahd enough on him that even if he didn't flub the shift I would've had him, but thats not the point. Here's the point:

That guy weighed his car and was coming in at 3500, close to 3700 with driver. So I had a 200-300lbs weight advantage which about equals 15-20HP. So Nissan is correct in their HP ratings, it's just that their cars with the higher output VQ's sometimes negate that power with their weight. I know for a fact that the Altima, and a "Enthusiast" aka stripped edition 350Z are the lightest cars with the VQ i Nissan's line-up.

No Altima with the VQ has ever dynoed above 207HP stock, meanwhile G35c's and 350Z's dyno in the 225's-240's all the time. But some of those cars are fully loaded and come in excess of 3400lbs which takes away from some of that power.
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Old Nov 1, 2003 | 12:03 AM
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Thanks to all you guys who said my car is light and complemented my times.

By January I hope to do exhaust and intake, those are the two biggest choke points in the Altima 3.5. I think once I remedy these situations I should be in the low 14's, possibly 14.1 to 14 flat. it will probably take headers and pulley in addition to I/E to get me into the 13's the way I run, i.e full interior/no tire pressure adjustments just the same way the car is if I was going to the store. I want to be able to say the times I run at the track are the times I would run on the street.

Seems like the Altima and CLS are pretty evenly matched, looks like a drivers race to me. I'm planning to head out to HRP next weekend and try to get 14.3's, any of you Houston/Austin area CLS guys willing to come on out and go head to head?
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Old Nov 1, 2003 | 03:32 AM
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Well look who's trolling acl.com

You know my best, so I wont go into extreme detail. Congrats on the 14.4, thats an awesome time.

You're lucky to be able to stay in 3rd through the traps. Us 6 speed guys have to shift into 4th about 100' before the end, so it's not well timed. I'm sure if our 3rd was a tiny bit taller we could run out 3rd through the traps and maybe drop a tenth, but thats just speculation.

Hasanyone weighed a stock 6 speed CL-S at the track? I wanted to, but the last couple times they didnt have the scale working. I think the CL-S6 is like 3,460lbs without driver, so you have at least a couple hundred pound advantage. :o
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Old Nov 1, 2003 | 08:20 AM
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Sup man, just over here seeing if I can finally get a run against a CLS. Your time is damn good as well, truthfully i was wondering if that was just because you were a good driver because your car is bone stock. But I am starting to see that you CLS 6-spd guys are solidly in the mid 14's stock, which makes it a good matchup for a 5-spd 3.5SE.
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Old Nov 1, 2003 | 09:18 AM
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if you're looking for a run... come up to Ennis next w/end on Nov. 8th. If it's a 6 speed you're looking for, I'll be there...
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by civic4982
if you're looking for a run... come up to Ennis next w/end on Nov. 8th. If it's a 6 speed you're looking for, I'll be there...
Never been to Ennis before, but if I ever head that way I'll be sure to post it here and hopefully you can make it. You do the same if you ever come down to Houston and you want a run.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 10:14 AM
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13.9, and im uhh, 'lightly modded'
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by mantis23
13.9, and im uhh, 'lightly modded'
Riiiiiiiight
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Waddy
Never been to Ennis before, but if I ever head that way I'll be sure to post it here and hopefully you can make it. You do the same if you ever come down to Houston and you want a run.
well I'm waiting for it to get really cold to really run again but since a lot of friends of ours are going to run in Ennis this w/end then I figured I'd go along for the fun. Come out to Ennis this w/end. It'll be an all day 12 hour event. We'll get a lot of runs in and it'll be a great time. I think we'll have a Maxima coming as well. Should be fun.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by beerknurd
i had a 14.5@98 with just an intake with my 01 5at... stock tires that had 20k on them.
Beer, where did you run? What was the weather? What was your 60'?
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 01:01 PM
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The Bridgestone Potenza SO3 are very nice tires... It worth about a tenth or two from stock setup I bet.

Nice times.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 02:59 PM
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i need tires it helps alot more doesnt it?
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 03:24 PM
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Well, I'm not quite a CLS, and I guess moderately modded. I can't drive and with my crappy 2.25 60'(other Regals can get 2.0X on street tires) I ran a 14.2 @ 97. My car is definately in the 13.8-13.9 range if I can ever learn to drive. That run was my only day at a sea level track, and the way the power came on was different. I also had a full tank of gas and two car seats. The car weighed 3820 at the track scales in Sacramento, CA. I really wish I knew how to drive.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Mike
Beer, where did you run? What was the weather? What was your 60'?
It was about this time last year. Rockingham NC. First and only time I've done the 1/4. I think the temp was in the 60's. I remember I was wearing a T-shirt so it wasn't too cold.

not sure what my 60' was. I'll look for the slip.

And my AEM intake is Scalberts old accord intake rigged for the CL.

I had like 12 runs in about an hour... I think that had something to do with it. My times just kept getting better... then some dude on a bike wrecked and I didn't feel like waiting till they cleaned up the track.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 05:58 PM
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here's my original post after my trip. For some reason I thought the trap speed was higher...
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...ghlight=14.544


1/4 mile times
went to rockingham strip tonight, it was dead so i got 10 runs in about an hour. temp was 50.

best time was 14.544 @96.58... best part about that was i was against a GTP and he ran a 15.46 @ 87.99.

60ft time on the 14.5 run was 2.312
1/8 9.438@76.79.


no spare tire and very low on gas. tire pressure just under 30. I didn't have a pressure gauge, so i let what i thought was a bunch of air out. Check it when i went to put more air in after i was done.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 07:44 PM
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damn thats nice for a 2.3 60'
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 08:27 PM
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14.5 6 speed only intake stock tires.
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Old Nov 3, 2003 | 10:21 PM
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14.5 @ 98... 6 speed... stock...
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 05:05 PM
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14.7 at 94mph w/just aem intake and my fathers 04 maxima 5 spd auto ran a 14.6 at 94 or 5 i forgot but with a coulpe of more runs a 14.5 was possible.. oh my car is a 03 cls 5 spd auto
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 06:49 PM
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13.7 bone stock
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 06:49 PM
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13.7 bone stock

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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 06:54 PM
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Re: What kind of times are lightly modded CLS running?

I ran 14.42 at 99.8 mph with only headers and mufflers.
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Old Nov 4, 2003 | 10:25 PM
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nice trap silver..
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by typeR
13.7 bone stock
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 07:36 AM
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So it seems like the average is about 14.6 for the 6spds, and the 5spd autos aren't too far off that pace. The gap between 5spd Altimas and 4spd auto Altimas is much bigger.

A stock 5spd Altima would have to pay attention to a CLS no matter what tranny he had in there, since both flavors are solidly below 14.8.

Do you 6spd guys powershift?
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 01:44 PM
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I have powershifted, but it didnt seem to help ET's or MPH at all. I didnt powershift the 2-3 shift though, because that's a little more difficult to master, and I didnt wanna fvck it up.
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Old Nov 5, 2003 | 02:47 PM
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nice trap silver..
Wish my 60 was better.... 2.342 or something like that.
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Old Nov 9, 2003 | 04:42 PM
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All I know is that my '99 2.3CL didn't run better than 16 sec. about 2 months ago.
I know the wind was against us and I'm not too sure how good Mokan (Asbury, MO) is, but I have to admit, I expected better.
I have a fully straight exhaust (with the exception of one resonator), a cool air intake, 8mm plug wires and NGK plugs. I was running this on Nankang N1's (225/18Z35) and was getting a decent amount of grip. My pull off the line was fairly average. My best time was a 16 flat and that was with a .2 second reaction time. (i.e. 4.2 sec..4 sec. is perfect there). What the deal?????
I noticed all night that everything was ok through 1st gear, but when I hit 2nd, no matter how fast, I would drop to 3000rpm and, obviously, with my exhaust set up, I need to maintain Vtec (i.e. 4500+rpm). 3rd and 4th were fine. I know I need this thing tuned...maybe I need it re-geared, too.
ANyways..I just thought this was the right place to bitch about this.
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Old Nov 16, 2003 | 09:04 PM
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now its 14.6 w/ just intake whooo hoooo 5A
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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by typeR
13.7 bone stock
Yeah, but you cheated...


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Old Nov 17, 2003 | 07:32 AM
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Yeah, but you cheated...


Headers don't count?
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