Scooter I can't believe this whole thing started because you asked me how much I wanted for the Brembos. You'll have to excuse me sometimes I get so stubborn maybe your right the Brembos are the biggest waste of money. As long as I them its all that counts and it will somehow convince me that it does stop better

 

yes we all know about the engineering advances, but guess what, all the hype and funny words mean nothing compared to the numbers

simply put, the differences in stopping ability just doesn't justify the money u spend...im sorry, but that's the way it is...period

my advice to u is to study that test chart, really study it...pay attention to how many times they test each category...pay attention to how the results vary in feel...then ask yerself "was spending the money on the Brembo kit really worth the 15 or so feet that i gained over simple pad upgrades?"

 

righto...it's yer $$

classic butt-stopping pad

 

Oh I am willing to bet they will stop better than the stock with the pads and handle better and accelerate better. I just didn't want anybody to feel bad and make it seem like Im gloating I know what I have believe me and it rocks like a MOFO, there is no way I can go back to stock.

 

Mine look better and perform better and cost more.

seems just about right

 

Scooter just to settle this stock CL-S stops 60-0 in 124 ft.

just by upgrading to better tires and lightweight wheels saves me what 10-15 ft.

by upgrading Hawk pads saves me ~ 5-10 ft.

by upgrading to the Brembo saves me 15-20 feet

add it all up and my car will be stopping anywhere from 30-45 ft less.

subtract from the 124

my cl-S is stopping from 60-0 in about 79-94 ft. thats pretty darn impressive to me. Let me find out what cars do it at that length.

 

i really doubt you saved 30-45 ft.

 

I know that is why I hate playing the adding the number game but this is what Scooter says is the right way to do it. Study the chart and look at the numbers.

 

This can't be real...

You are not going to stop from 60 in ~80 feet.

Granted the parts in place will reduce stopping distances but not to that extreme. What you should be noting is the repeatability...

 

for comparison, lou

http://www.jbroadtests.com/index4.php#0

 

you may save 10 feet on your 10th stop from 60-0


but anything that saves weight, especially rotating weight is

 

1. 2002 Ferrari 360 Modena 110 ft.

2. Infiniti G35 Sedan 110 ft.

3. 2003 Porsche 911 Carrera 111 ft.

4. 2002 BMW M3 112 ft.

5. 2002 Lexus IS 300 113 ft.

6. 2002 Lexus GS 114 ft.

7. 2003 Toyota Matrix XRS 114 ft.

8. 2003 Nissan 350Z 115 ft.

9. 2001 BMW M5 116 ft.

10. 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 116 ft.


so the stock CL-S stops at 124 with lightweight wheels and better tires with Brembo would give me what???

even if its 10-15 ft less

that would still leave me at 109-114 less than the Ferrarri Modena...I don't know but something is definetly not right here. There is no way the CL-S can be doing that....does anybody know what the stock is braking from 60 ???

 

ummm yeah, accelerate better??? hmmmm, sure u know what yer talkin bout??

 

more like yers look like an easier target for not so nice people, perform marginally better and cost about 3 times more than a simple put-together kit

THAT'S about right

 

for the last time, 124 feet

 

 

The lighter rotors help you accelerate faster, just like having lighter wheels.

 

Always remember this: YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

 

anybody remember that this thread started out as a discussion of OBX and Comptech HEADERS?

 

You may have saved a few feet in braking distance, but you have to realize the CL is a heavy car. There is no way you can out-break a Modena, no matter what brakes you put on your car. I'd guesstimate 5-10 feet of improvement at most.

Look at the Brembo's vs regular brakes on the Z. The Brembos do not give any better stopping distances, but allow less fade during a track application. How many times are you going to be running at the track? And Auto-X is not the track.

 

cusdaddy remember the stock tires suck bad so by upgrading that your gaining 5 ft....lighter wheels will help a little and the Brembo a lot more. If you look close at the list there is a Toyota Matrix stopping 4 ft. further than the Modena. There is really no way to use any numbers posted except a track test.
The Z is a different story because those aren't crossdrilled rotors correct...I think they went with a larger Piston with better pads but same rotor. I really don't know but I don't remember seeing crossdrilled or slotted rotors on the Z.

Actually I just saw the brochure they go to an inch bigger rotor to 12.7 and over 12" for the rears. Very nice

 

hey I heard the headers need to be tighten every 10k miles true? might this stop the BBszzz noice?

 

25 times they TESTED from 90 - 0 on a TEST TRACK...3 times they tested from 40 - 0...and 3 times they tested from 70 - 0

anything else u wanna discount about that article and chart of results???

 

The difference between a pad/rotor setup and big brake kit will most likely not be seen in street driving. Where it will be seen is on the track, after a few track sessions a rotor/pad setup will be faded and the braking will be mushy and wont stop as quickly as it did before. Where a big brake kit will show much less fade and still be braking similiarly. Chances are you only improve your 60-0 by ~5-10 feet at most, but your brakes will never show any sign of fade for your driving Lou. So if your just going to be doing street driving/bullshiting around a rotor/pad setup is fine, but if you ever plan on going to the track, there isnt much of a comparison between the brembos and regular rotor/pad setup if your a serious racer.

 

I remember reading this article a long time ago, but why don't you refresh my memory so I can dissect the article.

I think your looking at braking gains like a fixed figure when its more proportional. If both cars (one with the Brembos and the other with Hawk pads) braked at 20 MPH the difference would be minimal, then if both braked at 40 it will increase but it still won't be that great, then if both braked at 80 the gains will start being noticeable and it will only get greater and greater. So when you say the Brembo only brake better by lets say 10 ft. does that mean its better by ten feet in one brake application or 10 feet average of all day, or is it 10 feet from 100-0. It's better by a percentage that will only increase with more speed so if you braked from 125 mph do you still think it will be 10 ft. here is where your common sense is lacking.

use acceleration for example....you look at it like your Cl-S and a Porsche 911 Turbo is less than a second slower from 0-30 MPH...:thinking: why do I have to buy a $120K car for a half a second better acceleration? Are we in agreement that the Porsche 911 turbo is much faster than the CL-S....unlike the 0-30 MPH half a second difference.

also the Brembo are the best..even if your pads perform well they are not the best possible braking you can get for the CL-S cause there is always the Brembo kit. Face it Scooter you don't have the best and if your satisfied with that GREAT and you saved money...I in the other hand can say I do have the best possible braking available and it decreased the unsprung weight giving me better acceleration. Is it worth the $$$ I spent to me YES because no matter how close the Brembos are to your setup which I think they are not...they are still better in every possible way.

Your setup is GT1s weighing 17.5lbs and crossdrilled rotors weighing somewhere around 17lbs.

The SSR Comps are 14 lbs. and the Brembo rotor weighs 12 lbs.. a difference of 8.5 lbs....Do you think thats a lot ....of UNSPRUNG WEIGHT hell yea. No matter what the article says the fact is there is 8.5 lbs. of less unsprung weight than your setup and it will brake better even if its 5 ft....5 ft. is a difference of smashing into a wall or another car bud...

 

Scooter for the last time it is not an apple to apple comparison here read this article...it should help a bit...basically the 101 of braking


http://www.mustang50magazine.com/howto/33551/index.html

just to highlight some points

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Another way to shed heat is by using parts that radiate the heat more effectively. This is the reason behind thick, ventilated rotors and bigger calipers. The more surface area there is, the more heat can be radiated away from the brakes.

For one, the 12-inch rotors of a stock GT can’t compare to the leverage effect of a 13- or 14-inch rotor typically used in aftermarket kits. Second, the stock calipers are a single-piston design, compared to aftermarket two- or four-piston calipers. More pistons mean more clamping force, which stops the car more effectively. Think of a disc brake like this: Imagine spinning a bicycle wheel, then stopping it with your thumb and index finger. The wheel is the rotor and your fingers are the brake pads. Now use the thumb and index finger on both hands. You’ve just created a four-piston caliper, which makes it easier to stop the wheel. A side benefit of four-piston calipers is that they’re not as affected by heat (and therefore more resistant to fade) as a single-piston design

That’s why a good aftermarket brake system (Baer, Brembo, SVO/Cobra, Stainless Steel Brakes, and so on) not only stops the car quicker, but also doesn’t fade nearly as quickly. But these kits cost money, usually well over $1,000 for each end of the car

 

Calm down dog! Don't take it personally.

 

Lou, u know what i get out of this article??? absolutely nothing...wanna know y??? b/c this is shit we already know...i already told u how much money i spent between ss-lines, pads, rotors, all taxes and shipping, and it's 1/3 the cost of yer Brembo's...will the performance gains b identicle??? no...and if u looked at the chart, u could plainly see that also...but when was the last time u broke from 90 - 0 a total of 25 consecutive times??? for normal street driving, Lou, yer not gonna see the Brembo's TRUE potential, that's a fact...so face it, u spent a ton of money more than u really should've to get marginally more performance gains...the more u argue using any/every conceivable angle of justification, the more it looks like u spent way too much...and if u find spending $1K or more just to have the best and gain 5.37% on average stopping power (17 feet / 319 feet) and 3.68% from the best stop (11 feet / 299 feet), i think u need to get yer head examined

 

you want to know how hard it was to find that article.. do a Google search and type in Brembo....the very first article that comes up is the one I posted before...so if you think I spent more than 2 minutes your only fooling yourself. Nice try though...got any more excuses... by the way why do I have to justify my brakes being BETTER if not the BEST Sounds like you have to justify your upgrade as a legitimate upgrade by TRYING to even compare to a Big Brake Kit and then using an article from a mag as your only source of backup. Like I said before search more about brake upgrades and you'll see how foolish you sound by thinking a pad upgrade is the same as a complete kit.

 

oyy ve

read my siggy u stupid stupid man!!!!

Goodridge ss-lines + cd/slotted rotors + Hawk/Rofren pads = yer Brembo kit minus upgraded calipers in terms of comparing my custom setup to yers...this does NOT mean im comparing PERFORMANCE...i'm just stipulating that my setup is not a mere pad upgrade...r we clear here??? can u hear me now??? GOOOOOOOOD

hmmmmm, let's see...how can we PROVE my theory???...o i know...the same way i proved yer IceBox is the shit theory was bogus - let's find a time to meet and have a 3rd party on hand to settle things once and for all

 

Brakes haven't been broken in just yet...Im not hitting them hard but this summer my shit will be ready. Scooter how did you prove me wrong about the Icebox if the product is sold out till the middle of the summer...here you go assumming that the Ice-box is wack and your almighty Xepher is the greatest...How bout this why don't you ask Zapata what he thinks of the Ice-box I think he had the AEM and possibly the xepher

yea I did noticed you made mods to your braking but not one item helps braking the car except the pads. The SS lines are for brake feel not better braking. Your CD/slotted are practically a cosmetic upgrade, and that just leaves your pads...again the only thing helping your car stop better are the pads...so who is the stupid, stupid, stupid man

what are you gonna tell me now that the painted calipers help your braking or how about the 36 psi. you have in the tires Pleeeease tell me you have more than that to compare, its like bringing a knife to a gunfight

I think your better off buying some kit that will paint the calipers red and use a stencil or something to paint white letters that say Brembo or Rotora or even keep it simple and put on AEM

 

read up stupid stupid man...

http://www.eurotuner.com/howto/99738/

http://www.precisionbrakescompany.co..._overture.html

http://www.off-road.com/dirtbike/projects/crf450/ride/

BTW, a PERFORMANCE product is only as good as the gains it gives u...u think the IceBox is the shit...i proved u wasted money with another intake not once not twice but 3 times when we went out and tested yer IceBox and my Xephyr

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...ghlight=icebox

yer quote..."Yep absolutely even I don't know why but whoever got the lead held on to the lead and nobody gained or loss"

plus the IceBox lacks the growl...u somehow think that paying more for something means it's a better product...yer so conceited and clueless, but that's not my problem

 

this is getting ugly ...brembo makes good brakes, doesn't matter what he paid if hes happy with them. It's his money. How many people need Z rated tires...but its nice to have em right? Even if he never tracks his car you can't bust on the brembos...it's a nice mod; looks cool, lighter, and under repetitive heavy braking there is much less fade. Stop hating.

 

First of all are you saying you will get better braking from having SS lines alone....are you outta ur mind thats is the first I have ever heard of such nonsense .

Oh and another thing I have SS lines also so even if they do help ur setup....it will help mine more. OWNED


How is the Icebox crap if when we raced if I had the lead I won if you had the lead you won...your xepher is a mod in itself that cost you money even if its $200 and the Ice-box is $240 so that makes the Icebox a waste of money because they have similar gains.Ha Ha Ha If you are so worried about saving money for similar gains than maybe you should of bought the OBX headers instead of the Comptechs..they have similar gains.
In my opinion your full of shit and the only one who is conceited is you and the sad thing about it is you don't have a reason to cause you've been OWNED. Your only point here is your brakes are cheaper because we agree the Brembos are BETTER .....I have to agree with ZERODAY...and you should stop HATING....you are sooo jealous that its oozing outta every pore

When you got your brakes I complimented them and said they look nice why all of a sudden just cause I have nicer brakes they suck...and in your opinion your rotors and Hawk pads are better.:thumbsdn:



and another thing did you ever think that maybe Im setting my brakes for future mods...you see unlike yourself I don't drive a limited auto tranny CL-S so a Supercharger may very well be in the future

 

First of all are you saying you will get better braking from having SS lines alone....are you outta ur mind thats is the first I have ever heard of such nonsense .

Oh and another thing I have SS lines also so even if they do help ur setup....it will help mine more. OWNED

i think the sites i supplied speak for themselves...so i guess everyone else is wrong, and the almighty brake wizard is right, right??? ...so even tho i'm 'out of my mind' and believe 'such nonsense,' u believe they'll help u more...they BETTER help u more...jesus the premium yer paying for these brakes should give u something more than a put-together system doesn't...according to the HARDCORE FACTS, it doesn't...and where's yer proof, Lou??? show me a comparison test where Brembo blows everything else out of the water...u go on and on and on about how Porsche's and Ferrari's and this exotic and that exotic uses Brembo's...that's great!!! mad props to them...but show me the proof that paying an extra $1,000+ is WORTH SPENDING, and don't gimme 'well it's Brembo' shit...we all know how good Brembo is...according to HARDCORE test results, regular street driving shows a less than 10% difference...again, show me test results where Brembo kills other brake combo's, Lou...since u wanna dismiss everything i've put forth, show me yer data, and show me an itemized list of what brake mods were done, such as pads, ss-lines, and rotors upgrades...thx


How is the Icebox crap if when we raced if I had the lead I won if you had the lead you won...your xepher is a mod in itself that cost you money even if its $200 and the Ice-box is $240 so that makes the Icebox a waste of money because they have similar gains.Ha Ha Ha If you are so worried about saving money for similar gains than maybe you should of bought the OBX headers instead of the Comptechs..they have similar gains.

hehehe
#1, IceBox is $279 not including shipping on CT's site...$250 not including shipping on ACP...Injen is $225, while the AEM is $183...and the X was $200 shipped...if the gains r similar, y spend more money??? cuz it's CT???
#2, y did i buy CT headers instead of OBX??? b/c OBX IMO isn't a good design and is not quality...and i bought my CT's used for $700 and change, not $1,300

i'm not worried bout saving money...i AM practical when it comes to saving money, tho...our intake test and the brake article r a perfect testament...and i'm not sacrificing quality while saving money either...u don't see my Brembo blanks or ss-lines or pads or intake needing any bending to fit into place, now do u???


and another thing did you ever think that maybe Im setting my brakes for future mods...you see unlike yourself I don't drive a limited auto tranny CL-S so a Supercharger may very well be in the future

ouuuu supercharger...meaning what??? there's no speed limit for u just b/c u have a supercharger??? we ain't in Germany, foo better watch out, Superman...our car's r not invulnerable
u know

 

lou and Scooter