What cars from the past 20 years will be the top-classics?
06-29-2003, 06:43 PM
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What cars from the past 20 years will be the top-classics?
I was driving from CT back the Mass today and got to thinking about what the really memorable classic cars from the 80s-90s will be super desirable in the next 20 years. I couldn't think of one other that the Supra and maybe the MB SL500
I'm talking about cars that compare to:
55 Chevy Bel Air / Nomad
Corvette 5 window coupe
58 T-Bird
Mercedes Gullwing
Model A & T
32 Ford Highboy
65 Ford Mustang and the 60's Shelbys.
And I don't mean the real exotics unless you want to compare something to the Ferrari Daytona. Thus an exotic's top ten classic...
I frankly got depressed because I couldn't think of any.
I'm talking about cars that compare to:
55 Chevy Bel Air / Nomad
Corvette 5 window coupe
58 T-Bird
Mercedes Gullwing
Model A & T
32 Ford Highboy
65 Ford Mustang and the 60's Shelbys.
And I don't mean the real exotics unless you want to compare something to the Ferrari Daytona. Thus an exotic's top ten classic...
I frankly got depressed because I couldn't think of any.
06-29-2003, 07:01 PM
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Where is my super sauce?
Short answer: none.
Longer answer: cars that changed something. I'm not thinking of a car's specific look or horsepower, but cars that changed our paradigm of what a car is.
...Like Acura's first Legend changed the concept that the Japanese could make and market something other then an econobox.
...Like the first MiniVan (?Dodge Caravan or Plymouth Voyager?) or the first SUV (?Jeep Wagoneer or Ford Bronco or Chevy Blazer?). Before these families had station wagons or 'estate cars' as they call them in Europe.
...like the car with the most cupholders (I think Chysler minivan again)
...like the Honda Accord (I think about 1982 or 83), the first foreign car assembled made on US soil.
Longer answer: cars that changed something. I'm not thinking of a car's specific look or horsepower, but cars that changed our paradigm of what a car is.
...Like Acura's first Legend changed the concept that the Japanese could make and market something other then an econobox.
...Like the first MiniVan (?Dodge Caravan or Plymouth Voyager?) or the first SUV (?Jeep Wagoneer or Ford Bronco or Chevy Blazer?). Before these families had station wagons or 'estate cars' as they call them in Europe.
...like the car with the most cupholders (I think Chysler minivan again)
...like the Honda Accord (I think about 1982 or 83), the first foreign car assembled made on US soil.
06-29-2003, 07:54 PM
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One that I can think of off the top of my head is the 1987-1989 Porsche 911. These cars had the improved G50 transmission, while still retaining the classic 911 body. These where the last of the "true" 911's. By "true", I mean that the factory's internal degisnation for the car was 911. The cars that came after these are known as 911's (for marketing puposes) but the factory refrers to them as 964 (1989-1995), 993 (1995-1998, last of the aircooled), and 996 (1999-current, first watercooled 911).
Since there were only 15,883 of imported into the USA, supply of low mileage vehicles along with newfound interest in the 911 of this era, will keep prices at current levels for awhile. [1]
The 911 turbo from 1989 was the first time the turbo model came w/ a five speed manual transmissions, so this model is probably the most desirable of the G50 cars.
From the 90's, the 993TT (twin turbo) is still holding it's value very well in spite of being a "older" car. The last one was made in 1998, and although the cars are 5 years old or older, the 993TT still command prices from $60K-$90K. Some have said that as the watercooled 996 becomes more accepted, the values of the 993 will start to fall, but I think it'll take longer for the TT to start seeing an huge depreication.
There are other cars, like the Integra TypeR, and others (Z06 vette), that will probably become classics, as will most of the real sportscars form this era.
[1] Paraphased from Bruce Andersons 1974-1989 Porsche Market Update that appeared in this months Exellence magizine.
Since there were only 15,883 of imported into the USA, supply of low mileage vehicles along with newfound interest in the 911 of this era, will keep prices at current levels for awhile. [1]
The 911 turbo from 1989 was the first time the turbo model came w/ a five speed manual transmissions, so this model is probably the most desirable of the G50 cars.
From the 90's, the 993TT (twin turbo) is still holding it's value very well in spite of being a "older" car. The last one was made in 1998, and although the cars are 5 years old or older, the 993TT still command prices from $60K-$90K. Some have said that as the watercooled 996 becomes more accepted, the values of the 993 will start to fall, but I think it'll take longer for the TT to start seeing an huge depreication.
There are other cars, like the Integra TypeR, and others (Z06 vette), that will probably become classics, as will most of the real sportscars form this era.
[1] Paraphased from Bruce Andersons 1974-1989 Porsche Market Update that appeared in this months Exellence magizine.
06-29-2003, 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by Slimey
...Like the first MiniVan (?Dodge Caravan or Plymouth Voyager?)
...Like the first MiniVan (?Dodge Caravan or Plymouth Voyager?)
... And all these Pickups with extended cabs with extra doors... Vw introduced the Double Cab Pickup in the early 60's. See www.dropgates.com for more details.
06-29-2003, 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by greenmonster
The first "minivan" was created in 1950, and was known as a "microbus", the Volkwagen Bus. Lee Iacocca "borrowed" the concept of the minivan from VW and beat VW at it's own game (the Chrysler product out sold the VW Vanagon by quite a large margin). In doing this Iacocca also saved Chrysler from the brink of bankruptcy. Ask me some time about Lee Iacocca's "idea" for a vw beetle competitor while he worked at Ford (aka the Ford Pinto). Iacocca was very good at "re-inventing" vehicles.
... And all these Pickups with extended cabs with extra doors... Vw introduced the Double Cab Pickup in the early 60's. See www.dropgates.com for more details.
The first "minivan" was created in 1950, and was known as a "microbus", the Volkwagen Bus. Lee Iacocca "borrowed" the concept of the minivan from VW and beat VW at it's own game (the Chrysler product out sold the VW Vanagon by quite a large margin). In doing this Iacocca also saved Chrysler from the brink of bankruptcy. Ask me some time about Lee Iacocca's "idea" for a vw beetle competitor while he worked at Ford (aka the Ford Pinto). Iacocca was very good at "re-inventing" vehicles.
... And all these Pickups with extended cabs with extra doors... Vw introduced the Double Cab Pickup in the early 60's. See www.dropgates.com for more details.
You are correct sir.I should have thought of this -- I used to cruise around in high school (before this mini-van era!) in my friend's VW bus. That was an awesome machine. And you are also correct about the extended cab thing too. Double
to me!
06-29-2003, 10:19 PM
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You may not agree with it, but the Corvette ZR-1 may be a classic.
Others may include the Supra TT (our generations GTO?), the Nissan 300zx (just an awesome all around car), and maybe the last gen 911's (993 designation).
They are the only ones that really come to mind.
Others may include the Supra TT (our generations GTO?), the Nissan 300zx (just an awesome all around car), and maybe the last gen 911's (993 designation).
They are the only ones that really come to mind.
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06-29-2003, 10:33 PM
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Definitely the original VW bug, a truly groundbreaking car for the US, and a huge seller., changed everything for the US car market for years to come.
Lots of firsts with that car and I believe a big influence on Honda in the US. The tongue in cheek marketing, the innovative 'keep it simple' mentality, the true love and affection for the car by it's maker and it's buyers. Basically they put fun in the car.
Honda took this idea and greatly improved on it in the 80s' in the US. Smart, dependable, simple, worry free, fun loving, tongue in cheek marketing.
As far as marketing and the acceptance of mass market US imports and the resulting major change for GM et al, the bug and the Civic, were, if not true classic cars; were classic ideas, classic marketing, and huge ground breaking US successes by any sense of the words. And still, US makers put out the Pinto, the K car, and other assorted insults.
Class over!
Lots of firsts with that car and I believe a big influence on Honda in the US. The tongue in cheek marketing, the innovative 'keep it simple' mentality, the true love and affection for the car by it's maker and it's buyers. Basically they put fun in the car.
Honda took this idea and greatly improved on it in the 80s' in the US. Smart, dependable, simple, worry free, fun loving, tongue in cheek marketing.
As far as marketing and the acceptance of mass market US imports and the resulting major change for GM et al, the bug and the Civic, were, if not true classic cars; were classic ideas, classic marketing, and huge ground breaking US successes by any sense of the words. And still, US makers put out the Pinto, the K car, and other assorted insults.
Class over!
06-29-2003, 10:39 PM
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Definitely the original VW bug, a truly groundbreaking car for the US, and a huge seller., changed everything for the US car market for years to come.
Definitely the original VW bug, a truly groundbreaking car for the US, and a huge seller., changed everything for the US car market for years to come.
06-30-2003, 03:41 PM
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Im surprised no has mentioned it yet, but the dodge viper.
I remember the huge splash it made when it came out in 90/91.
I remember the huge splash it made when it came out in 90/91.
07-01-2003, 09:13 AM
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Guys -- here's my contribution:
1) BMW M3 (awesome performance in every category)
2) Chevy Corvette (all versions in the past 20 yrs)
3) Mazda Miata (re-introduced the roadster in a very unique way)
4) Honda Civic (so reliable, they could weld the hood shut)
5) BMW Minicooper
6) Mazda RX-7 w/ that funky ass engine
1) BMW M3 (awesome performance in every category)
2) Chevy Corvette (all versions in the past 20 yrs)
3) Mazda Miata (re-introduced the roadster in a very unique way)
4) Honda Civic (so reliable, they could weld the hood shut)
5) BMW Minicooper
6) Mazda RX-7 w/ that funky ass engine
07-01-2003, 10:14 AM
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possibly the s2000 or Boxter (along w/ the miata). People love these roadsters and in 30 years or so, I could see these roadsters becoming pretty desirable (not necesarily expensive, but desrirable) cars for nostalgia buffs.
The MB SL500/SL 55 will be highly sought after (like the old Jaguar XK's), great engine, classic lines.
Cars like Ferrari's are a given, but I think the most desirable modern F-car may turn out to be the 575M (sans the Enzo of course). Great lines, big v12, all day crusing comfort, with enough grunt to hang w/ a Viper.
2003 and earlier M5 as well. The Jag XKR too
The MB SL500/SL 55 will be highly sought after (like the old Jaguar XK's), great engine, classic lines.
Cars like Ferrari's are a given, but I think the most desirable modern F-car may turn out to be the 575M (sans the Enzo of course). Great lines, big v12, all day crusing comfort, with enough grunt to hang w/ a Viper.
2003 and earlier M5 as well. The Jag XKR too
07-01-2003, 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
I can't believe no one has mentioned the NSX.
I can't believe no one has mentioned the NSX.
With cars like the 350Z delivering about the same performance as a NSX at 1/3 the price (or a Vette at 1/2 the price) it's easy to forget about the NSX
07-01-2003, 01:18 PM
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Mazda Miata
RX-7 93-95
Toyota Supra 93-98
Nissan 300ZX
Acura NSX
Lexus SC 300/400
M3
Viper
8-series BMW
E 500 (2 gens back)
These have a good chance. Some already are.
RX-7 93-95
Toyota Supra 93-98
Nissan 300ZX
Acura NSX
Lexus SC 300/400
M3
Viper
8-series BMW
E 500 (2 gens back)
These have a good chance. Some already are.
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