Scooter

after reading what EXACTLY Nissan has in store for us over the next year or 2, we're in deep sh!t...the new 350Z has 300 HP (didn't know), the Altima has 240 (we know), the Maxima/I35 has 260 (we know), and the G35 has 280 (didn't know)...it's like muscle car maham within 5 years.

Infamuz

Dont get me wrong but Nissan makes good cars. Im a fan of the 96 300ZX Twin Turbo and the Maxima.

rise

i read in the latest motortrend that the new Z will be 300hp, AND under 30k! my guess is $29999. imagine that!

Beltfed

How about Volvo's S60R with 300hp, AWD, 18' inch wheels, 6spd, Xenon lights, special body work.....hot, hot, hot.

Infamuz

I hate waiting for the cars. They should be out now. The Infiniti G35 should look hot when it comes out!

kuwolde

This shouldn't be viewed has a bad thing. You know that Honda is likely to up all of their products as well. It may just take a year or so for them to get these new products out.

cl-driver

In one way, it can be considered a good thing. (for the long run anyways) These new cars create competition which is normally better for the consumer.

Driven

Yeah, and if it's like any of the other "hot" cars in the market it'll sell for 5 to 10k above sticker and there will be a waiting list. Sh*t.

DtEW

Time for Honda to a come up with the S2200 Si coupe w/i-VTEC, I think.

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charliemike

Speaking of Hondas ... I was reading in one of the car rags about the Altima. In the article it said that Honda all but guaranteed that the next Accord would have over 240hp. If that's the case, then I gotta think that the TL and CL are due for some major hp increases.

DtEW

You're thinking a little too far down the line there.

For Honda/Acura, a mid-gen tweak to an existing engine will usually net something like 10-20 horsepower. But keeping in mind the output of the maxed-out, cost-be-damned version (NSX) and the stroked version (MDX) of your engine, I seriously doubt there will even be that mid-gen tweak. I believe that a major horsepower increase necessitates a near clean-sheet redesign of the engine. So that's the next gen, assuming they keep the relatively low-volume CL.

What Acura really needs to get going is a new flagship (Legend) to put themselves back on the prestige map in relation to Audi, BMW, Infiniti, Lexus and Mercedes-Benz. That will benefit the whole model line.

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spiroh

I will bet my life on it that it wont be that cheap.

Spiro

mrdeeno

I read somewhere that the i35 is going to do 0-60 in about 7 flat.

so much for that one.

charliemike

I seriously doubt that. If the Altima can do 0-60 in 6.3 seconds, the G35 should have that beat. Besides, the G35 is supposed to be the "American Skyline" from what I've read.

Rock Dog

I shouldn't be saying this, of all people.

But keep your eyes on Chyrsler. A 300M variant is on it's way. 5.7L Hemi V8 RWD.

charliemike

Obviously the RL has been a tremendous mistake. 15k more than a TL and far, far slower. The car needs a V8 in it ASAP.

As far as the CL/TL go, think about this:

We can put Comptech headers on the CL-S/TL-S and get around 30hp out of it. Who's to say Acura can't do the same? I bet they can make/get headers far cheaper than we can, so I doubt it would be more than a $500 bump.

290hp sounds much better when the Accord is going to be around 245-250hp. Acura, IMO, cannot have an Accord thrashing it's cars in performance. A 250hp Accord coupe could thrash a premium CL, and could beat a CL-S if the weight difference stays the same as it is now.

The same for the Accord Sedan vs. TL.

As far as the low volume CL goes, I really hope they keep it. It's a great car, and does far more for Acura than an Accord Coupe would do for Honda (excluding the whole Prelude fiasco).

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proactive

Intrigued, I did some searching and came up with this:
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Strip/4223/conceptpcc.html

looks interesting.

Beltfed

Exactly, the car looks great (the PCC was at the NY autoshow and was one of the highlights of the show for me).....the S60R won't have some of the wacky trim that the PCC has, but most should be carried over (most importantly the power and AWD)....the PCC got a very positive response.

Here is what the S60R will most likely look like.......


S60R

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mrdeeno

why don't you read my post over...there's a difference between the letter 'i' and the letter 'g'.

Shaka

I wonder how this two door Nissan will do against CL-S two door of comparable value?

mrdeeno

the z car is a sports car, not a luxury sports coupe. in sporting behaviors, it'll probably kick the cl's ass.

bioyuki

Its that little thing called emissions. I doubt TL/CL with Comptech headers will meet the ULEV/LEV standards. Honda takes pride in its 'green' engines.

spiroh

Now thatsa bad ass volvo!!!

EricL

If that is the case, how did Comptech manage to get a CARB sticker/exemption?

They do run some pretty nasty tests here in California. So nasty, in fact, that the if it is good enough for CARB, so goes the US (at least in most part)

Just 'cause volumetric efficiency is improved, doesn't mean that the emissions will go bad. Sometimes modifications will actualy improve the emissions of a vehicle -- I know, I've done it...

charliemike

ACK! R.I.F.

Scooter

i can't believe this...it's like the 60's and 70's all over again...the rebirth of the muscle cars...but this time, it's much different...not so much pure American push-rods and Chevy small blocks, but that's ok i guess...my father and i talk about the times he used to go to the muscle car meets at Cross Bay Blvd. in Queens...if u think about it, this high HP push by most car companies has come out of nowhere...Nissan and Infiniti just made this push really within the last 3 years or so...Volvo within the past few years...VW and Audi have been slower movers, but credit to them, they've had stronger cars for a number of years already...it's very interesting...and also, i wasn't really old enough to appreciate the trend towards the SUV's a while back, so it's a very exciting time to experience this transition

KbOiCL-S

UhHh...Guys?....my .02?
We're talking about HONDA here! The company that pulled an overniter with the S2000! The company that basically made VTEC what VANOS and VVT-i and other variants are today. Don't let Honda's passive facade fool you guys, we all know Honda always has something amazing up its sleeve. Whether it be from Honda or Acura, if Honda wants to "reply" to Nissan's upcoming "vehicles on steroids" we know it'll be second to none in power,speed, looks, and comfort. Honda can work magic like none other...let's just sit tite and see what happens

RaleighNC

My $.02

You guyz are killing me. It's like computers, you DON'T have that HOTTEST thing by the time the credit machine displays APPROVED.

Maybe that's why they invented car leasing.

SmoothJyzz

Hey Rock, I hear you about the Hemi...but don't forget the Crossfire!


dee

Scooter

BACK FROM THE DEAD!!!!

got a kick out of this...stumbled on it after searching about for some older threads of mine...interesting to see what has happened since when this was made

nate'sCLS

wow, had me going on this one for a bit...

JRock

Yeah but it costs more than $30k.

But it's turbo so it will mod nicely.

Keep in mind though, the swedespeed article note:

So it will probably look more like the one shown at autoshows. But hey, with a little modding you could be looking like that picture no problem.

The biggest thing I dislike on the volvo exteriors are the black trim bands, which they photoshopped to body-color in that article. It the real one comes like that it will look so much sportier. And if not you can always get them painted.

Loseit

iTrader: (1)

holy rehash batman! I was all confused

Gilgamesh

no kidding. I was reading it saying, 'they already put out all of these cars....'

Scooter

hehe yeah, so now u can go back and look at original and production specs, see if u were right (i wasn't )

Loseit

iTrader: (1)

i was reading the frickin 300hp for the Z and i was like woah!!! They are gonna up the horsies all ready!!!?? that is crazy.



Damn you Scoot, I almost had a heart attack!! I got that sinking feeling becoz that would make our cars REAL slow!!!

Zapata

Projected:

TL 280hp
RL about 300hp?

Known:
MDX 260hp

What is there to fear??

Scooter

a "family car" like the Maxima and Altima can hand me my arse

Zapata

bah the manual v6s aren't that plentiful. Besides with your setup you should hold your own. No fear!

lou_RENAMED

Hey Scoot you don't need to worry you have lightweight wheels and headers and the rest you should be doing 0-60 less than 6 sec. that's good enough for me.