Nolimitz295

Alright, so i just got my new 3.2 CL-S and was racing the other day with a G35 coupe, and he burned me really bad. So the next day i decided my car needed a performance upgrade. Besides getting new intake or a new exhaust system, i wanted to get either a supercharger or a turbocharger. Personally, i was wondering if it was possible that there would be a turbocharger for an automatic 3.2 CL-S. I've been searching for one and i couldn't find any. Anyone know of anywhere i could get one? Or maybe anywhere i could get one custom-built?

SFLA_Type-S

Try searching, you will find some good info on both S/C & Turbo.

Also, try this Acura CL-S FAQ link. Here you will find some answers to other general questions you might have.

BTW: Welcome aboard.

1killercls

Headers, exhaust and an Intake should make ya as fast or faster than a stock G35 (I think)

Red Rider

Comptech has the SC now, go get one.

Titand19

maybe you should get a new tranny

SFLA_Type-S

Hey Red Rider, how's your tranny holding up?

Type S

i personally prefer SC.
easy to insatll..no hassel
no overheating ...

18anatak

if you have the choice...turbo all the way

darrinb

r u totally stock??

JaDia4

AK_MOBBER

Ummmm NO!


I still have not seen a single dyno for the comptech supercharger.


Nolimitz295,

pm allmotor_2000, he make a custom turbo and it will make tons more power than a comptech supercharger.

He is located in SoCal so you could probably meet up with him locally and talk about it.

If your looking for top speed than a turbo is the way to go. IMHO comptech supercharger is a ripoff for the amout of HP it produces(though props to them for making one)...

Good luck

AK_MOBBER

comptech's excel dyno doesn't count....

darrinb

a turbo will take a long time, if u really wanted to u can get the blower in 2-3 days, remember theres still tuning left to be done for the blower, and all the other stuff for it etc etc, but since hes in cali he cant use the high boost pulley

mattg

um yes. there are lots of benefits to having the s/c. availability and warrantee are the ones that come to mind first. plus it makes good usable power, and with a little help from our resident mod guru's it's about to make lots more.

and when did you start booking appointments for allmotor?

AK_MOBBER

Why don't you re-read my response...

I gave comptech props for actually giving acura performance enthusiasts a valid choice.

I still have not seen a (REAL) dyno pull from someone with a comptech supercharger. I would like to see one sometime in my lifetime

I noticed the guy was in cali (home of the first turbo 2nd gen CL) and since allmotor is a super cool approachable guy who has tried to get interest in a turbo group buy(unfortunatly to no avail) I figued I would give him the name of the guy to get ahold of.

Since when have we been dicks about giving out information for a valid request? Umm never.

How is this booking appointments??
please think before you type...

there are other alternatives to comptechs supercharger that make more power. Not just, "buy it its available"


I'm sure he will chime in when he checks the board in the morning.

mattg

someone made a valid recommendation and you replied like a smartass.

you're telling the guy to go w/ a turbo setup that doesn't exhist, one that hasn't even been done. while bashing on the system that is actually available for our cars. that just sounded ignorant to me, like something a kid would say.

mattg

we have that dyno, we have modaddicts' tl-s that ran a 13.87@ 102.9, and we have video of RedRiders' s/c cl-s pulling away handily from my low 14 sec car. the s/c provides the gains as advertised.

dets

werd. tell him matt.


mobber, theres no reason to get all jumpy. the guy is asking for advice and your throwing your weight around. grow up.

dets

UMMMM ..............























































dumbass. yeah, that sounds better.

types1967

i posted my supercharger dyno 8months ago!!! go look in dyno section i put out 295whp and 265lb tq the charts are there!!!!

DISRUPTV

whats crazy is that mod-addict ran a 13.87 w/traction control on and that his 60' time could definitely be improved which may result in a 0.1-0.3 improvemenbt in the 1/4

Jens H.

You forgot an important part here .THE SC IS CARB CERTIFIED that might count for something for a car owner living in pollution control crazy California .

Jens

allmotor_2000

CA is quite picky about the CARB stuff - it is possible to get a particular car with a special setup CARB certified, but to make a consumer product CARB certified is tough and somewhat expensive.

For a very good, reliable and LEGAL power-boost, the S/C is the way to go - you can probably pick one up for $4000.

To really maximize power-ouput and have the option of going for all-out power (assuming a custom motor-built), go for the turbo. It is possible to make a turbo-kit for $4000 - I don't have the time to do this for a living (make more money/time-invested doing what I do at my day job!) I like to work on cars as a hobby and obviously am a speed-freak.

Anyways... if you guys are going for a hp/psi comparison, the turbo will win. I assume @ 7psi, the turbo will make 360whp and the S/C will make 320whp.

Now that the E-manage has popped out of nowhere, reliability is the same.

Upgrade potential goes to the Turbo

CARB certification goes to the current S/C kit

Price is the same, IMO

Difficulty/ease of install - S/C wins by a tad... its not that different really

scalbert

Geez, this is the epitome of a ignorant response. There have been multiple SC dyno's provided and even track times.

Of available items there is only one option!!

As for power, please read:

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...hreadid=117218

But on to the question, allmotor was dead on. It depends on what the desire is. An available and legal kit which is meant to enhance the cars current ability. Or is ultimate power desired with a kit that you will be responsible for.

scalbert

Actually I would disagree here. There is no exhaust system alterations so no need to climb under the car. No need to pull the front bumper for the FMIC. Less to do with the intake plumbing. And no oil lines and oil pan swap to deal with.

I agree with the power output; if the SC'd car made 320 WHP at 7 PSI, the turbo would probably make about 360 WHP at the same boost, maybe more.

darrinb

remember he also had half a tank plus the spare and jack in the trunk, i think some 100 octane would really help the high boost pulley too, add all that in w/ a better launch(aint gonna happen @ milan) and it might just be in the 13.3-13.4 range

MtBikR

God I wish mine came even close to that, sucks being on the shortest end of the stick. You'd die if you saw my dyno, I did.
:'(

proaudio22

Sup w/ yours? I thought you pulled 350 whp w/ the spray? minus 75whp (100 spray) should give you 275 @ the wheels. That's still not bad AT ALL and he might have some other mods vs. you.

bullaculla

I think allmotor was saying that the S/C wins because it IS easier to install.

scalbert

Actually I was trying to say that the difference in the installation was more than a tad bit easier. Just

MtBikR

My shot actauly adds about 95 fwhp, so I quantify that as a 100 shot, but you could say I am using 125 piranna nozzles if you want. No man my base dyno with the S/c was around 225fwhp.........so please don't get me all teary again. My run w/ nos only goes up to 6K and stop at around 323fwhp. After some tuning they did get a chart w/ nos to near the 350 mark. Had to have four guys sitting on the front just to get it to hook up. As we rebuild the motor we plan on taking dynos along the way. I have a feeling, as I did since the day I picked up my car from Scottsdale Acura (great guys) that the S/C was not producing the power it claimed. But then again even without the charger most people with my mods (every bolton) pull 225 is maybe something is inherently wrong with my model, or my SC is very screwed up. I plan on tuning with this rebauild and modification and am shotting for the all mighty 400. but first let's just see if I can get near 300 with the juice.

Chemmech

Maybe your bypass valve in the supercharger is stuck open, not operating? I'd be tearing into that thing to find the problem, or start harrassing Comptech.

allmotor_2000

I heard there was a situation where the bypass hose heats up and closes - the fix it to have a spring in it so that it doesn't collapse - take a look at that!

Chemmech

MtBikR, alot of times when I troubleshoot problems like this it's usually something small or obscure, simple. Are you getting good fuel pressure? Does the engine bog out at wot? Could be those hoses that allmotor_2000 just mentioned. Or maybe the bypass linkage is setup on the wrong step or hole? Sorry just brainstorming right now.

Red Rider

No problems after several thousand miles and lots of hard driving including 2 Sactown twisty runs and the West Coast Meet. Feels the same

SFLA_Type-S

Thanks for the info, glad to hear the good news.

Red Rider

Well i'm a little late in chiming in, so here goes. First, i own an SCd CL-S so i think i know what i'm talking about, i also get to drive it everyday and it kicks ass, i don't really need a dyno to tell me that. It's warranted, has zero downside in driveability, is CARB certified and it's available now and can be serviced at my friendly dealer. I hope that response suits you better.

By the way, what other alternatives to the Comptech SC that make more power are there? Please list the parts and name of company and pricing for our members as well as warranty, CARB certification info etc.

scalbert

Actually, the default state of the bypass valve is closed. It opens with vacuum. But if it were, by some chance, stuck open it would be visible in the boost; there would be none. He is actually having too much.

More boost than expected would be a result of an obstruction in the intake or exhaust paths. Baring anything being in the intake path, after the blower, I would look to the exhaust and one critical piece to fail, the catalytic converter.

Other than that I would also do a compression test.

MtBikR

Chemmech, allmotor_2000, & scalbert,

Thanks for helping me figure this thing out. I know it will take time, but as I once agreed with scalbert, it's only a matter of time till we find what's robbing the power from this particular setup. I am not familar w/ the internal working of the eaton roots type blower, but I am pretty certain that that is where the problem is, or possibly my FPR. Despite my recent odd data i.e. boost levels and a drop in max Fuel pressure, I think it would be worth noting that after the when the nitrous was installed we also installed gauges for the first time (about 2 months after the S/C install). This was the same time when the car gave it's poor dyno. However, the guages were giving 4.5 psi max on boost and pegged at 100 psi on fuel during WOT. Now I max out (yesterday) at 10 psi on boost and couldn't get my fuel pressure above 88psi. So even if something has changed i.e. I got a clogged cat, that still wouldn't account for the extremem dearth of power on the dyno when the guages were giving expected numbers




thanks again for brainsctraching with me.

scalbert

Just verify those gauges and then we can move on to the next step.