Nashua_Night_Hawk

Nissan brought back the 350Z ... Toyota decided to bring back the Supra back to the US, in 2004..

Nice HP Competition? But where is the Honda/Acura Response?

Honda is to its beloved followers...

Zapata

Supra didn't sell then and it won't sell now. Unless toyota reduces the price it'll be gone in a couple of years. Remember what happened to the Z last time.

1SICKLEX

I don't think they will repeat the same mistake twice. The new Z is 26k, pretty good deal to me, at 34k I don't think so.

RX-7 may come back too, the RX-8 from my understanding is not it's replacement.

typeR

hondas response is the NSX...cost ya alittle more but hey if you wanna play with the big boys

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Hear this: the supra would sell for a $30k! (Ref: R&T)

I assume it would output some 300 HP to compete with the 350Z!

Tom2

It's fairly obvious that other Japanese sports cars will follow the trend of the 350Z- Back to basics at a much more reasonable cost.

In my opinion, that makes good sense financially, but isn't the greatest move from an enthusiast point of view. Japanese sports cars were in their heyday when you could buy twin-turbo versions of the Supra, 300Z, 3000GT, RX-7 etc....

sidemarker

wouldnt make sense to downgrade a car like that

if anything toyota may come out with a car SIMILAR to the Supra maybe something with a celica and solara mix like our CL-S

if the Supra is coming back

its not going to compete against the Z

its going to compete against the NSX

sidemarker

SiGGy

NSX is a midengine exotic and naturally aspirated. It is not a competitor to the Supra.

Supra is twin turbo charged *inline* six. Not assembeled by hand. Supra will not outhandle the NSX stock, but certainly will out accelerate it. And $1000-$1500 (just BPU mods) it'll smash the NSX, and most other cars on the street.

Honda has never made a car to compete in this market. Ever.

Granted the TT Supra is comapred to some Ferrari's. The supra is still not an exotic. And a hell of a lot cheaper. $50k new vs. 90K for the NSX. Isnt' the new Nissan GTR suppose to be 50K?

typeR

granted the NSX is much more expensive...but the comp S/C which will have you approaching the 100K mark and you do have quite enough acceleration to compete....

SiGGy

Nope...

Take a look at this APU Supra mod, which is still a ton less, and let me know if you think the NSX will hang.

The NSX /w comptech supercharger will barely hang with a BPU Supra which is only $1500 of mods. I would say it wouldn't.

BPU Supra puts 450+ HP crank for $1500.
http://www.suprastore.com/450hppackage.html

APU Supra puts 800HP (crank) $11,000
http://www.suprastore.com/800hpkitcom.html

APU+++ Supra puts 1000hp out for $20,000
http://www.suprastore.com/stag7upkit10.html

I take it you haven't looked into Supra Much...

NSX is cool/exotic but its not fast when compared to a modified Supra... only a **BIG** nitrous kit will make it hang with a APU Supra even with the SC on the NSX.

charliemike

Dude, who really needs 1000hp on American roads?

SiGGy

Well, when you apply logic like that. Who really needs even 400hp on the road?

200hp will take you nicely to 60....

...

Why do you need to modify any car?

Is there better roads than American road to apply the power? Which countrys roads would be more appropriate for 1000hp?

...

Why don't we look at a 1000cc crotch rocket for a second. SCREW horsepower. Lets just go RAW power to weight ratio...

R1 yamaha is a 9 second bike = 1000hp in a low weight vehicle.......... Should we not produce 1000cc motor cycles?

?!?!?

typeR

no i dont know supras at all..not really..nor do i know the NSX but with I/H/E and s/c the nsx is at about 400 hp to the ground...i would think it would be lighter than the supra also 3153 lbs for the NSX...just to be clear im not challangine that the supra can be made faster for less...but not that much faster...the above NSX must be in the low 12's

JokerABC

sometimes i wish i would have spend my $30K on a nice, used Supra TT.

4thGSi

Well, the new supra will be N/A 3.5 liter V6 atleast pumping out high 200 or low 300 hp(my guesstimate).. Here are some pics of it and also the upoming RX-7.. They are coming back!!!!!!

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Those pics for the Supra looks like a nice Astin Vanquish!

SiGGy

FYI the Supra puts about 430hp+ to the ground with $1500 of mods... (those are basic mods!!)

And it weights in at 3210 lbs. yup NSX is 57lbs lighter

You can easilyt build a 800-1200hp supra. Good luck doing that with the NSX. Without spending as much as the car. Even with the MOST expenive mods on the Supra you still less than the original price of the NSX. And you have 1000+ hp.

I think you need to re-evaulute your thinking on these two cars. Supra can be made to 1200hp. NSX is 440hp ish (crank) with a supercharger. What else are you going to add to get to 1200hp?
lets just say 800hp to be realistic ($8000 in mod's to supra)

Might want to take some time and read those URL's I posted before.

A 12 second NSX is going to be FAR behind a 10 second supra. Two completely different worlds.

JRock

blah blah blah lots of people talking rumors as facts.

IF the Supra comes back, it'll be a V6 (which sucks compared to the diehard I6 it used to have) at around 350hp. It'll be in the mid-30s pricerange like every other come-back car that's coming out soon.


To say it won't sell well is talking out of your ass. Unless it's ugly. Other than body design there is no reason for it NOT to sell well.


For the price of a new NSX you can spend $30k to get a used MkIV and bring it down to a ten-second car or less. $50-60k in mod money goes a hell of a long way. You could make it a really pretty Supra while you're at it for that kind of money.

1SICKLEX

Yes, the stock Supra will be a 3.3liter V-6 (as all the 3.0 liter cars will move up to this engine, I-6 cars too).

Here is the big thing. The top-line SUpra will be the 4.3 liter V-8 used in the GS/LS/SC. THe problem, this engine does not take mods well and people are protesting to keep the current I-6 (which as stated earlier is a helluva engine to mod).

The current I-6 barely passes emmisons now, a TT of it for say 2004 is pretty much not possible.

1SICKLEX

Yes, the stock Supra will be a 3.3liter V-6 (as all the 3.0 liter cars will move up to this engine, I-6 cars too).

Here is the big thing. The top-line SUpra will be the 4.3 liter V-8 used in the GS/LS/SC. THe problem, this engine does not take mods well and people are protesting to keep the current I-6 (which as stated earlier is a helluva engine to mod).

The current I-6 barely passes emmisons now, a TT of it for say 2004 is pretty much not possible.

The 4.7 liter V-8 will be offered in the next 4-runner as an option.

Red Rider

This is the new marketing technique, retire a car and then bring it back 5 years later. You know GM will bring the Camaro and Firebird back. I agree that the Supra will not sell if it's not priced to compete with the Z.

EZZ

Why do you think it will not sell well? Just curious.

Nissan had one advantage making the Z; it used parts and designs currently in the Nissan lineup. The FM platform is used in 3 different cars and the VQ is the primary V6 in all of Nissan's lineup. The Z was a relatively inexpensive proposition so Nissan should make some great cash back. They are even going to use the FM platform for the next generation GTR.

sorty

What sucks is the fact that it's going to be a V6, I was thinking of trading in for a Supra in 2004, but now, it doesn't look so appealing with the fact that it won't be as moddable as the old supra. Any guesses on the chances of an engine swap?

SiGGy

Hmm, wonder why they wouldn't put a turbo back in it. Mabye the second year car will have it?

The 350Z is do for a turbo next year isnt it?

gavriil

WHat I hear is 350HP from the V6 and there will be a V8 to follow. No HP on the V8 yet. I say 430+

gavriil

OK 2 questions.

1. Will it be 3.3 liters or 3.5 liters?

2. All 3 liter engines will go to I-3.3 liters. Does that include Toyota and Lexus engines? Does that include V6 and I6 engines? Is the RX 300 and the ES 300 in there?


I guess that is more than 2 Qs. Sorry.

gavriil

The rumor is a 335+ engine from a twin turbo-ing the exisiting engine (there was a rumor of 400HP from this same engine but it has faded lately). That is the engine in the twing turbo Skyline coming to America soon.

EZZ

The 400hp Twin Turbo variation will be used in the GTR. If they do build a TT 350Z, it will have around 335hp. I think they were originally going to build a v8 GTR, but decided against it but nothing is really final so we'll see.

I think that RX7 looks pretty dope. Imagine, the RX7 and new supra coming out at the same time...reminds me of the 90s

JRock

Where are some pics of what the R35 Skyline GT-R will look like, or are they all just "artist renderings" thus far?

Because that car should be badass. I bet it'll be like $50k though.

gavriil

EZZ

These pictures are the concept car GTR so the production model will be different but the shape will be similar (very similar to g35coupe). 400hp, AWD...sooooo yummy.

Big Soos

you gotta love the supra

eclipse23

I will drive my CL-S into the ground, wait patiently, I want one, the SUPRA is one of my dream cars......

charliemike

Not in a 3200lb car it won't.

So you get to 60 in 3.2 seconds instead of 4.5 seconds ... so what? In most places, the fastest we can go legally is 65-70mph, so having 1000bhp on tap isn't really important to me.

30-50 and 50-70mph times, braking distance, and slalom speeds are the most important performance statistics for this country IMO. Only because they are the most practical measurements of what is legally allowed.

That's all I'm saying

Red Rider

Not at 40-50k is what i meant, because the Supra didn't sell well before at that price and the bar has been raised by cars like the Z.

pbm317

Toyota is developing new engines.
They are developing a 3.3L V6 engine that so far.. is rumored to go in the next RX.. named the RX330. Most likely, this engine will go in all of their 3.0 liter V6 cars. As for the I-6 cars, I do not know if they will be using the same engine. I don't know how much it would take to have an engine serve in both FWD cars and RWD cars.
The next 4 Runner is rumored to have a high powered V6, making close to 250 HP along with the 4.7 liter V8 making 235 HP, but a lot more torque. Other rumors, if you care for them, is a new 5.4L V8 for their bigger trucks, including a tougher heavy duty Tundra.