Timing Belt Service Cost these days?
10-11-2008, 07:57 AM
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Timing Belt Service Cost these days?
So my 01 CL is hitting about 128,000mi way overdue for timing belt replacement. Thank God the car still runs very strong with no issues what so ever but I don't feel like gambling for much longer.
I just made an appointment with Park Ave Acura in NJ and this is what was quoted:
Timing Belt Service: $950
includes: Timing Belt service, Drive Belts, Coolant, Water Pump
He said that most times the timing belt tensioner doesn't need replacement, but they will inspect it and if it does need replacement it is an additional $120.
Also includes a Loaner Car.
Sound about right?
And yes, I rather do it at the dealer since most shops around me have no idea what they are doing and I don't feel like taking it to a shop that I will have to "hope" they did it right. At least with Acura I am mostly covered if they fuck something up. An independent shop will just deny they did anything wrong in my experience.
I just made an appointment with Park Ave Acura in NJ and this is what was quoted:
Timing Belt Service: $950
includes: Timing Belt service, Drive Belts, Coolant, Water Pump
He said that most times the timing belt tensioner doesn't need replacement, but they will inspect it and if it does need replacement it is an additional $120.
Also includes a Loaner Car.
Sound about right?
And yes, I rather do it at the dealer since most shops around me have no idea what they are doing and I don't feel like taking it to a shop that I will have to "hope" they did it right. At least with Acura I am mostly covered if they fuck something up. An independent shop will just deny they did anything wrong in my experience.
10-11-2008, 09:17 AM
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Thats ridiculously high.
A.) Part of that $950 is because its a dealership
B.) They are justifying the high cost because they are providing you a loaner. If you have another way to get transportation thats the way to go.
C.) Look for a Honda certified garage and they will be much cheaper.
I paid $600 for everything on my car to change the timing belt and all other things needed.
A.) Part of that $950 is because its a dealership
B.) They are justifying the high cost because they are providing you a loaner. If you have another way to get transportation thats the way to go.
C.) Look for a Honda certified garage and they will be much cheaper.
I paid $600 for everything on my car to change the timing belt and all other things needed.
10-11-2008, 09:39 AM
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Oh and the price he gave me wasn't because I needed a loaner, so it has no bearing on the price. I mentioned towards the end of the phone call that I needed a loaner way after he gave me prices for everything.
I checked another Acura Dealer near me and I was quoted $1180. so I thought this was a bargain.
I checked another Acura Dealer near me and I was quoted $1180. so I thought this was a bargain.
10-11-2008, 11:49 AM
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Ha ha...yes they still do exist!
I bet if you pull up the phone book you will find under Automotive tons of service & repair shops that specialize in Japanese auto makers.
Call them up and ask if they are certified for Honda or Acura.
That way it wouldn't void any warranties if you still are under one.
10-11-2008, 12:00 PM
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thats a lot! I paid exactly $702.xx for mine done just 2 weeks ago. It included the timibg belt, water pump, tensioner, drive belts, and coolant. go to www.cartalk.com they have a mechanic search option. Its really good, shows you all the/most of the shops around your area with reviews from other people.
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10-11-2008, 01:50 PM
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Ha! I just finished calling the 7 nearest Acura dealers near me and they all wanted $1100+. One quoted me $1350!
Ill check on cartalk. Thanks!
Ill check on cartalk. Thanks!
10-11-2008, 04:42 PM
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I got water pump and timming belt for like 700 at a shop in wallington NJ (about 20 min from PAA) Dlrs will always charge more but piece of mind is worth it sometimes!
10-12-2008, 01:44 AM
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Thats why you do what any typical person looking to secure a contract. They never take the cheapest or most expensive.
You dont go to Joe Schmo and you don't go to the dealership. Im curious if he tried calling a Honda dealership if it would be any cheaper?
You dont go to Joe Schmo and you don't go to the dealership. Im curious if he tried calling a Honda dealership if it would be any cheaper?
10-12-2008, 05:01 AM
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) oh, and I got a 12k mile/12 month warranty.
10-12-2008, 08:39 AM
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My mechanic did it, I bought all Acura OEM parts on internet, and he only charged me for labor. Total cost $700 including tax.
My dealer quoted me $1200 plus tax for identical job.
My dealer quoted me $1200 plus tax for identical job.
10-13-2008, 12:37 AM
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You can almost count on the hydraulic tensioner needing to be replaced. My friend who's an Acura tech said 1 out of 3 he sees has some kind of leak.
You also need to replace the plugs and perform a full valve adjustment as part of the overdue 105k service. (If you haven't done so already)
You also need to replace the plugs and perform a full valve adjustment as part of the overdue 105k service. (If you haven't done so already)
10-13-2008, 01:25 AM
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ALL parts that needed to be purchased along with oil, filter (for a friend), tranny fluid, and coolant for just under $400 ($392.84). By "ALL" I mean all the parts that are required and recommended to be replaced when doing the tbelt.
A Honda mechanic did the timing belt AND a valve adjustment for $325. Found him by walking into the work bay at Honda and asking the first guy I saw in there with a car on the lift and him doing some work from below.
Mind you, the parts were from Honda.
A Honda mechanic did the timing belt AND a valve adjustment for $325. Found him by walking into the work bay at Honda and asking the first guy I saw in there with a car on the lift and him doing some work from below.
Mind you, the parts were from Honda.
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10-16-2008, 11:54 AM
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My acura dealer told me 1150 oh and that my motor mount was broken, he said that would be 200 just for that. I called a local shop thats realy good and they told me 475+tax. All im doing now is saving up. The dealer was crazy if they think im going to pay that much.
10-16-2008, 11:58 AM
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My acura dealer told me 1150 oh and that my motor mount was broken, he said that would be 200 just for that. I called a local shop thats realy good and they told me 475+tax. All im doing now is saving up. The dealer was crazy if they think im going to pay that much.
Make sure you call the shop and ask them what exactly are they doing for 475. I suspect that the shop is replacing the timing belt only and nothing else.
A proper 105k service for these cars includes:
- Timing Belt
- Water Pump and Coolant
- Drive Belts
- Hydraulic Tensioner (leaks are common)
- Spark Plugs
- Valve Adjustment and Valve Cover Gaskets
Parts alone could easily cost you over $300, so the quote that the shop gave you is suspiciously low. In the US, all of those services would cost around $1200.
10-16-2008, 02:38 PM
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OK continued...
So i've been doing some searching on IACV etc...
Can a bad / dirty IACV cause hard shifting and cause the Check Engine light and TCS lights to come on at the same time? Or does this strictly happen only when there is a tranny issue?
So i've been doing some searching on IACV etc...
Can a bad / dirty IACV cause hard shifting and cause the Check Engine light and TCS lights to come on at the same time? Or does this strictly happen only when there is a tranny issue?
10-16-2008, 02:56 PM
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assuming you've done your research, anything is possible. When cars get to the high mileage state it can hard to pin down the glitch in the car because there are codes that can be thrown that use multiple meanings.
BUT, there is a specific code for the tranny going. Go to Autozone and have them scan the code for you so we can tell you whats wrong.
BUT, there is a specific code for the tranny going. Go to Autozone and have them scan the code for you so we can tell you whats wrong.
10-16-2008, 03:24 PM
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well i made my case and he provided me with a case #. Someone should be calling me by tomorrow. He said that there is a slim chance for any additional help considering my 120k+ mileage but he said every case is looked at closely yada yada...
whatever..
whatever..
10-16-2008, 08:25 PM
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There's no way that the independent shop is doing the same amount of work as the dealer.
Make sure you call the shop and ask them what exactly are they doing for 475. I suspect that the shop is replacing the timing belt only and nothing else.
A proper 105k service for these cars includes:
- Timing Belt
- Water Pump and Coolant
- Drive Belts
- Hydraulic Tensioner (leaks are common)
- Spark Plugs
- Valve Adjustment and Valve Cover Gaskets
Parts alone could easily cost you over $300, so the quote that the shop gave you is suspiciously low. In the US, all of those services would cost around $1200.
Make sure you call the shop and ask them what exactly are they doing for 475. I suspect that the shop is replacing the timing belt only and nothing else.
A proper 105k service for these cars includes:
- Timing Belt
- Water Pump and Coolant
- Drive Belts
- Hydraulic Tensioner (leaks are common)
- Spark Plugs
- Valve Adjustment and Valve Cover Gaskets
Parts alone could easily cost you over $300, so the quote that the shop gave you is suspiciously low. In the US, all of those services would cost around $1200.
- Valve Adjustment
These items are not related to timing belt job and can be done as a separate task. Vales should only be adjusted if noisy You are missing camshaft seals from your list. Which for your information were also replaced by independent shop where I had it done. I bought all OEM Acura parts that you mentioned (except spark plugs ) for under $240, and labor cost $500 , so I was under $700 including tax. The same task (also without spark plugs) was offered to me for $1300 (including tax). Total of $600 savings. To me its a lot, its almost half price for the same thing.
10-19-2008, 07:37 PM
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There is no such thing as a Honda Certified shop, besides a Honda dealer.
I have several Honda certs and high level, top tech status in the Honda training system, but since I no longer work for a dealer, technically, it doesn't exist.
It's smart to do the tensioner as well, as they are known for leaking, especially at 105k.
Flat rate times for the V6 should be 4.5-6 hours, depending on the shop. Even at a high rate of 100/hr shop, labor shouldn't exceed 600 bucks. The water pumps are super spendy(over 100), but the job shouldn't exceed the 1k mark.
For V6's at my current shop, I charge 750, using all OEM Honda parts...for reference.
Do not trust joe shcmo of Craigslist- I'm sick of fixing their mistakes :P
I have several Honda certs and high level, top tech status in the Honda training system, but since I no longer work for a dealer, technically, it doesn't exist.
It's smart to do the tensioner as well, as they are known for leaking, especially at 105k.
Flat rate times for the V6 should be 4.5-6 hours, depending on the shop. Even at a high rate of 100/hr shop, labor shouldn't exceed 600 bucks. The water pumps are super spendy(over 100), but the job shouldn't exceed the 1k mark.
For V6's at my current shop, I charge 750, using all OEM Honda parts...for reference.
Do not trust joe shcmo of Craigslist- I'm sick of fixing their mistakes :P
10-20-2008, 02:35 AM
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- Spark Plugs
- Valve Adjustment
These items are not related to timing belt job and can be done as a separate task. Vales should only be adjusted if noisy You are missing camshaft seals from your list. Which for your information were also replaced by independent shop where I had it done. I bought all OEM Acura parts that you mentioned (except spark plugs ) for under $240, and labor cost $500 , so I was under $700 including tax. The same task (also without spark plugs) was offered to me for $1300 (including tax). Total of $600 savings. To me its a lot, its almost half price for the same thing.
- Valve Adjustment
These items are not related to timing belt job and can be done as a separate task. Vales should only be adjusted if noisy You are missing camshaft seals from your list. Which for your information were also replaced by independent shop where I had it done. I bought all OEM Acura parts that you mentioned (except spark plugs ) for under $240, and labor cost $500 , so I was under $700 including tax. The same task (also without spark plugs) was offered to me for $1300 (including tax). Total of $600 savings. To me its a lot, its almost half price for the same thing.
The Valve Adjustment should be done at 105k. The valves are only noisy if they are loose. Every Acura tech that I've talked to strongly recommends a valve adjustment with the 105k service because some of the valves actually TIGHTEN. You would not be able to hear valves that are too tight.
10-20-2008, 06:04 AM
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The seals may or may not need to be replaced.
The Valve Adjustment should be done at 105k. The valves are only noisy if they are loose. Every Acura tech that I've talked to strongly recommends a valve adjustment with the 105k service because some of the valves actually TIGHTEN. You would not be able to hear valves that are too tight.
The Valve Adjustment should be done at 105k. The valves are only noisy if they are loose. Every Acura tech that I've talked to strongly recommends a valve adjustment with the 105k service because some of the valves actually TIGHTEN. You would not be able to hear valves that are too tight.
10-20-2008, 06:07 PM
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The old myth of "adjusting only when noisey", should apply to hydraulic lifter valves...with Hondas, the valve seat often times wear slightly, thus closing the gap between the rocker and the valve stem.
Originally Posted by Russian Dude
I bought all OEM Acura parts that you mentioned (except spark plugs ) for under $240, and labor cost $500 , so I was under $700 including tax.
10-20-2008, 07:31 PM
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Very true. Most V6 exhaust valves start losing clearance around 70k or so.
The old myth of "adjusting only when noisey", should apply to hydraulic lifter valves...with Hondas, the valve seat often times wear slightly, thus closing the gap between the rocker and the valve stem.
That would be 740 plus tax, around 800 after tax
The old myth of "adjusting only when noisey", should apply to hydraulic lifter valves...with Hondas, the valve seat often times wear slightly, thus closing the gap between the rocker and the valve stem.
That would be 740 plus tax, around 800 after tax
including tax everything was $700. Valves can be adjusted after timing belt service, the two are not so closely related. whats the worst thing can happen if you don't adjust valves? and why my book says "adjust only if noisy".
10-20-2008, 08:27 PM
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You're right, there is no overlapping labor between timing belt svc and valve adjustment.
It's saying that if valves are excessively noisey, you should ajdust them, but at 105k, it's needed no matter what.
Honda also says the CR-V(97-01) only needs valve adjust at 90k, but it is VERY common for the valves to recess into the head very fast, causing low valve lash and misfire codes. I recommend those every 15k
Originally Posted by Honda
NOTE: Except for the 105,000 mile interval, check/adjust
valves only if noisy.
valves only if noisy.
Honda also says the CR-V(97-01) only needs valve adjust at 90k, but it is VERY common for the valves to recess into the head very fast, causing low valve lash and misfire codes. I recommend those every 15k
10-22-2008, 06:50 PM
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You're right, there is no overlapping labor between timing belt svc and valve adjustment.
It's saying that if valves are excessively noisey, you should ajdust them, but at 105k, it's needed no matter what.
Honda also says the CR-V(97-01) only needs valve adjust at 90k, but it is VERY common for the valves to recess into the head very fast, causing low valve lash and misfire codes. I recommend those every 15k
It's saying that if valves are excessively noisey, you should ajdust them, but at 105k, it's needed no matter what.
Honda also says the CR-V(97-01) only needs valve adjust at 90k, but it is VERY common for the valves to recess into the head very fast, causing low valve lash and misfire codes. I recommend those every 15k
10-22-2008, 06:56 PM
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Most shops should charge 250-300 for valve adjustment on the V6 with new gaskets,=.
should be .22mm/.30mm in/ex +/- .02mm
Too loose can cause excessive noise and faster cam lobe/seat wear.
Too tight can cause valves to never fully seat/misfires/burned valve/poor performance.
The more frequent you take your car high in the revs, the more frequent you should check/adjust valve lash.
should be .22mm/.30mm in/ex +/- .02mm
Too loose can cause excessive noise and faster cam lobe/seat wear.
Too tight can cause valves to never fully seat/misfires/burned valve/poor performance.
The more frequent you take your car high in the revs, the more frequent you should check/adjust valve lash.
10-23-2008, 05:46 AM
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cool, if dealer cost is $250, my mechanic will probably do it for 150-170. I am going to have it done when I change my spark plugs.
I only got 68K miles (8 years old). I think I'll do it at 80-90K....
btw, my timing belt is done because I was worried about age of it, but spark plugs and valves should be based on millage.
I only got 68K miles (8 years old). I think I'll do it at 80-90K....
btw, my timing belt is done because I was worried about age of it, but spark plugs and valves should be based on millage.
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