Thermoblok = maximum gain 8.5 whp and 9.1 ft-ESTING RESULTS - Honda J Series V-6 ???
01-08-2004, 09:58 PM
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Thermoblok = maximum gain 8.5 whp and 9.1 ft-ESTING RESULTS - Honda J Series V-6 ???
Does anybody know if this is for real? Couldn't find any information on this forum with the search.
http://www.outlawengineering.com/hondajframe.html
http://www.outlawengineering.com/hondajframe.html
01-08-2004, 10:17 PM
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I don't know if it'll work on our CL's but I know that the spacers boosted the Grand Nationals about 25whp. A couple guys at my job used to race them @ Atco Raceway in New Jersey.
This mod might actually be worth a try.
This mod might actually be worth a try.
01-08-2004, 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by withoutcomp1
I just finished ordering it fuck it, it's only $85, worth a try i will let you know how it is when i get it.
I just finished ordering it fuck it, it's only $85, worth a try i will let you know how it is when i get it.
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Damn, that's an interesting product. I've never heard of such a thing. If it does yield the above numbers, the $$$ / HP would be pretty solid across the rev band.
Seems like the install shouldn't be *too* hard.
Seems like the install shouldn't be *too* hard.
01-08-2004, 11:08 PM
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I used spacers on my throttle body EFI 1986 chevy s10 pickup truck. They do produce power I can confirm that. They added a lot more than the K&N I put on my truck. 5+ hp
weather they will work on a J series motor is unknown by me.
I believe they outlawed spacers over a certian height in nascar to level the playing field in races.
Keep us posted during the next week this should be a nice development.
weather they will work on a J series motor is unknown by me.
I believe they outlawed spacers over a certian height in nascar to level the playing field in races.
Keep us posted during the next week this should be a nice development.
01-08-2004, 11:20 PM
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It's not really a spacer like you guys are thinking of. You guys are thinking something along the lines of a Helix Power Tower (which has been shown to add 2-3hp on our cars), etc.
This product is only there to isolate the heat from the intake to keep the intake cool, and of course the air inside of the intake. IT makes a helluva lot of sense, same concept as a cold air intake. Cooler air = more power.
This product is only there to isolate the heat from the intake to keep the intake cool, and of course the air inside of the intake. IT makes a helluva lot of sense, same concept as a cold air intake. Cooler air = more power.
01-08-2004, 11:37 PM
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ive been reading at hondata.com because i seemed to remember somthing like this from them for the RSX and they do have it ...it's worth a read ...this sounds like it might be a good product to look into...im wondering though if were talking about the gasket between the block and the upper intake manifold? also they mention bypassing the coolant through the TB ...lastly this reading at hondata seems to explain why i get faster on successive runs...cooler intake temps...we need scalbert or ericL on this one...
01-09-2004, 12:05 AM
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From the webpage you know it works on the 2000 Odyssey. Below is a part number comparison.
1997-1999 3.0CL, 1998-2002 Accord V6, 1999 3.2TL and 1999-2001 Odyssey
17105-P8A-A01 - GASKET, IN. MANIFOLD
2000-2003 3.2TL (all) and 2001-2003 3.2CL (all)
17105-P8E-A01 - GASKET, IN. MANIFOLD
1999-2001 Odyssey, 1999-2003 3.2TL (non-Type S) and 2001-2003 3.2CL (non-Type S)
16176-P8F-A01 - GASKET, THROTTLE BODY
16177-P8F-A01 - GASKET B, THROTTLE BODY
2001-2003 3.2CL Type S and 2002-2003 3.2TL Type S
16176-PGE-A01 - GASKET, THROTTLE BODY
1997-1999 3.0CL and 1998-2002 Accord V6
16176-P8A-A01 - GASKET, THROTTLE BODY
16177-P8A-A01 - GASKET B, THROTTLE BODY
If it was designed for the 1999-2001 Odyssey it looks like the only other car which all the gaskets will work on is a 1999 TL.
1997-1999 3.0CL, 1998-2002 Accord V6, 1999 3.2TL and 1999-2001 Odyssey
17105-P8A-A01 - GASKET, IN. MANIFOLD
2000-2003 3.2TL (all) and 2001-2003 3.2CL (all)
17105-P8E-A01 - GASKET, IN. MANIFOLD
1999-2001 Odyssey, 1999-2003 3.2TL (non-Type S) and 2001-2003 3.2CL (non-Type S)
16176-P8F-A01 - GASKET, THROTTLE BODY
16177-P8F-A01 - GASKET B, THROTTLE BODY
2001-2003 3.2CL Type S and 2002-2003 3.2TL Type S
16176-PGE-A01 - GASKET, THROTTLE BODY
1997-1999 3.0CL and 1998-2002 Accord V6
16176-P8A-A01 - GASKET, THROTTLE BODY
16177-P8A-A01 - GASKET B, THROTTLE BODY
If it was designed for the 1999-2001 Odyssey it looks like the only other car which all the gaskets will work on is a 1999 TL.
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If this mod blocks heat, would be good for FI applications as well? Would the heat soak off the intake manifold rob power for super charged applications? I might just have to try it out.
01-09-2004, 07:25 AM
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The idea is sound; it removes the direct heat transfer from the engine to the upper intake manifold and also further isolates the TB. This would help to keep the manifold cooler at idle or very light load situations. But when driving it yields little benefit as the air ingestion rate and its cooling ability keeps the manifold temperature lower.
Take the gains with a grain of salt though. They even state on a fully warmed engine. The gains are most likely taken after the car sat at idle for some time allowing the manifold to heat up. If so, those gains are probably real and expected. But if cruising on the highway don't expect much if anything from this.
I do have a concern though. They seem to state that the same part fits all models. However, the gasket and injector base ports are shaped differently on the J30 and J32 engines. You can even see a slight oblong shape in the picture shown of the runner opening on the part. The J32A2 has perfectly round ports, I know...
If that is the case, this could present an obstruction hindering power on the J32A2 engine. But without seeing it in person, I can't say for sure.
Take the gains with a grain of salt though. They even state on a fully warmed engine. The gains are most likely taken after the car sat at idle for some time allowing the manifold to heat up. If so, those gains are probably real and expected. But if cruising on the highway don't expect much if anything from this.
I do have a concern though. They seem to state that the same part fits all models. However, the gasket and injector base ports are shaped differently on the J30 and J32 engines. You can even see a slight oblong shape in the picture shown of the runner opening on the part. The J32A2 has perfectly round ports, I know...
If that is the case, this could present an obstruction hindering power on the J32A2 engine. But without seeing it in person, I can't say for sure.
01-09-2004, 07:27 AM
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Originally posted by Chemmech
If this mod blocks heat, would be good for FI applications as well? Would the heat soak off the intake manifold rob power for super charged applications? I might just have to try it out.
If this mod blocks heat, would be good for FI applications as well? Would the heat soak off the intake manifold rob power for super charged applications? I might just have to try it out.
01-09-2004, 09:03 AM
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Any chance we can convince TPR magazine to use it in their next project car???
01-09-2004, 12:20 PM
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Originally posted by scalbert
The idea is sound; it removes the direct heat transfer from the engine to the upper intake manifold and also further isolates the TB. This would help to keep the manifold cooler at idle or very light load situations. But when driving it yields little benefit as the air ingestion rate and its cooling ability keeps the manifold temperature lower.
Take the gains with a grain of salt though. They even state on a fully warmed engine. The gains are most likely taken after the car sat at idle for some time allowing the manifold to heat up. If so, those gains are probably real and expected. But if cruising on the highway don't expect much if anything from this.
I do have a concern though. They seem to state that the same part fits all models. However, the gasket and injector base ports are shaped differently on the J30 and J32 engines. You can even see a slight oblong shape in the picture shown of the runner opening on the part. The J32A2 has perfectly round ports, I know...
If that is the case, this could present an obstruction hindering power on the J32A2 engine. But without seeing it in person, I can't say for sure.
The idea is sound; it removes the direct heat transfer from the engine to the upper intake manifold and also further isolates the TB. This would help to keep the manifold cooler at idle or very light load situations. But when driving it yields little benefit as the air ingestion rate and its cooling ability keeps the manifold temperature lower.
Take the gains with a grain of salt though. They even state on a fully warmed engine. The gains are most likely taken after the car sat at idle for some time allowing the manifold to heat up. If so, those gains are probably real and expected. But if cruising on the highway don't expect much if anything from this.
I do have a concern though. They seem to state that the same part fits all models. However, the gasket and injector base ports are shaped differently on the J30 and J32 engines. You can even see a slight oblong shape in the picture shown of the runner opening on the part. The J32A2 has perfectly round ports, I know...
If that is the case, this could present an obstruction hindering power on the J32A2 engine. But without seeing it in person, I can't say for sure.
01-09-2004, 12:37 PM
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Originally posted by typeR
maybe this is the real explaination for why i concistantly get faster for about the first 3-5 passes that are hot lapped?
maybe this is the real explaination for why i concistantly get faster for about the first 3-5 passes that are hot lapped?
01-09-2004, 03:50 PM
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well i tried to take one for the team buy buying it so i paid them through paypal last night, today i get a e-mal saying they refunded my money because it doesn't fit or car's and they will let me know when they make one for us, so scalbert was right, sorry, i tried
01-09-2004, 04:04 PM
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i emailed hondata a few months back asking about the heatshield gasket sets they make for 4cyl's such as the rsx. they said it wasn't feasable for our v6 application. they said our intake manifold won't line up properly w/ the spacers installed. something like that anyway.
01-09-2004, 04:51 PM
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i emailed hondata a few months back asking about the heatshield gasket sets they make for 4cyl's such as the rsx. they said it wasn't feasable for our v6 application. they said our intake manifold won't line up properly w/ the spacers installed. something like that anyway.
i emailed hondata a few months back asking about the heatshield gasket sets they make for 4cyl's such as the rsx. they said it wasn't feasable for our v6 application. they said our intake manifold won't line up properly w/ the spacers installed. something like that anyway.
i did the same and got the same response
explanation didn't make any sense to me.....
01-09-2004, 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by withoutcomp1
so scalbert was right
so scalbert was right
Actually, if you really want this I can make it. Since I did the CAD drawing of the gasket for the intercooler it would be easy enough to have someone machine it.
keep us informed!!
01-10-2004, 01:04 AM
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I emailed them about car compatibility and this is part of their reply.
I told them they should make one for the 2003+ Accord V6/2004+ 3.2TL. I did say there was demand for one for the older CL/TL.
Thanks for your input. I think you are correct in questioning our application list. According to information I just gathered (that agrees with your list, BTW), our current J-block ThermoBlok kit will fit the following:
98-02 Honda Accord V-6
99-01 Honda Odyssey
97-01 Acura CL 3.0 << This should be 97-99
99 Acura TL 3.2
The throttle body applications are not critical. Although the gasket P/N's may vary, the thermoBlok spacer for the TB's should work fine.
Is there interest in another J-block application such as for the later model CL/TL/Odyssey or MDX/Accord? Which would have more demand?
98-02 Honda Accord V-6
99-01 Honda Odyssey
97-01 Acura CL 3.0 << This should be 97-99
99 Acura TL 3.2
The throttle body applications are not critical. Although the gasket P/N's may vary, the thermoBlok spacer for the TB's should work fine.
Is there interest in another J-block application such as for the later model CL/TL/Odyssey or MDX/Accord? Which would have more demand?
01-10-2004, 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by typeR
maybe this is the real explaination for why i concistantly get faster for about the first 3-5 passes that are hot lapped?
maybe this is the real explaination for why i concistantly get faster for about the first 3-5 passes that are hot lapped?
01-10-2004, 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by 99%StockAV6
I told them they should make one for the 2003+ Accord V6/2004+ 3.2TL. I did say there was demand for one for the older CL/TL.
I told them they should make one for the 2003+ Accord V6/2004+ 3.2TL. I did say there was demand for one for the older CL/TL.
01-10-2004, 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by darrinb
do a few wot runs through 2nd gear to get the car broken in and heated up and u can tell it runs stronger
do a few wot runs through 2nd gear to get the car broken in and heated up and u can tell it runs stronger
And you really think there is a 5%+ change in power by doing this?? Or has the water in Farmington Hills become contaminated.