TEIN SS with EDFC (Electronic Damping Force Controller)
02-11-2003, 04:13 PM
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Skyraskal,
Yeah, I'm almost positive that the spring rate is not adjustable. We really need blkmjx or somebody to shed some light on the situation.
Yeah, I'm almost positive that the spring rate is not adjustable. We really need blkmjx or somebody to shed some light on the situation.
Originally posted by slyraskal
in response to your questions, the EDFC does fit the TEIN SS Kit, it is the same kit that will fit when they finish their upper pillar mount.
I'm thinkin i'm probably going to get the EDFC for now, and have it put in the rear, and just store the fronts away for now so that when they finish their pillar mount, all i have to worry about is the fronts.
As for your other question about spring rate, that question came to my mind as well. i'm not 100% certain as to why they say adjustable spring rate on their website, when it's the ride height and damper you adjust. But the numbers they put on their site seems to suggest that's it's the spring rate you are adjusting which is odd because i've always thought that spring rate depnds on how the spring was designed.
Maybe peiqinglong could shed some light on this for us.
in response to your questions, the EDFC does fit the TEIN SS Kit, it is the same kit that will fit when they finish their upper pillar mount.
I'm thinkin i'm probably going to get the EDFC for now, and have it put in the rear, and just store the fronts away for now so that when they finish their pillar mount, all i have to worry about is the fronts.
As for your other question about spring rate, that question came to my mind as well. i'm not 100% certain as to why they say adjustable spring rate on their website, when it's the ride height and damper you adjust. But the numbers they put on their site seems to suggest that's it's the spring rate you are adjusting which is odd because i've always thought that spring rate depnds on how the spring was designed.
Maybe peiqinglong could shed some light on this for us.
02-11-2003, 04:27 PM
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one other note, since the accord platform is similiar to the cl platform, the TEIN kit should be fine for our car. I noticed that on the instruction manual on the TEIN website for the SS kit for the TL, the manual said "Accord 98." So the kit may in fact be for our car since it is based on the same chassies.
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When they talk about the spring rate. They are referring to the fact that you can get the 'CL' spring rate for $60 more a spring as has been noted.
Almost everything related to the 98-02 accord will fit on the TL/CL. The problem is..that most of these springs were designed for the 4 cylinder. So, it works fine for the AV6 which is maybe 100-150lbs. heavier than the 4 cylinder, whereas the TL/CL are almost 300-350 lbs. heavier than the 4 cylinder.
Almost everything related to the 98-02 accord will fit on the TL/CL. The problem is..that most of these springs were designed for the 4 cylinder. So, it works fine for the AV6 which is maybe 100-150lbs. heavier than the 4 cylinder, whereas the TL/CL are almost 300-350 lbs. heavier than the 4 cylinder.
02-11-2003, 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by moomaster_99
When they talk about the spring rate. They are referring to the fact that you can get the 'CL' spring rate for $60 more a spring as has been noted.
When they talk about the spring rate. They are referring to the fact that you can get the 'CL' spring rate for $60 more a spring as has been noted.
02-11-2003, 05:22 PM
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I think moomaster is right, the linear spring rates are not adjustable, but you can choose which spring rate you want to be included with your coilover setup when you order it.
02-11-2003, 06:54 PM
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Maybe some pics might help...here is the Tein SS that you get...this fits the TL/CL/V6 accord. This is the standard springs, not the upgraded.
Here's the damper adjustment...
This is a pillow mount (on NEX coilovers...but you get the idea)
Pillow mounts makes the car stiffer because that piece is much thicker than the stock pillow mount and will allow for better steering response. On the same note, the higher end Teins offer camber adjustment, but I doubt they will make it for us since our teins are only second to the entry level Teins, the Flex.
Here's the damper adjustment...
This is a pillow mount (on NEX coilovers...but you get the idea)
Pillow mounts makes the car stiffer because that piece is much thicker than the stock pillow mount and will allow for better steering response. On the same note, the higher end Teins offer camber adjustment, but I doubt they will make it for us since our teins are only second to the entry level Teins, the Flex.
02-11-2003, 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by Rod
I think moomaster is right, the linear spring rates are not adjustable, but you can choose which spring rate you want to be included with your coilover setup when you order it.
I think moomaster is right, the linear spring rates are not adjustable, but you can choose which spring rate you want to be included with your coilover setup when you order it.
1. MUST CHANGE SPRINGS FOR DIFFERENT RATE -- The springs need to be changed if you're not happy with the existing spring rate. The installed spring cannot have its spring rate adjusted in situ). The folks I spoke with mentioned that a spring with a higher spring rate could be put in place of the spring that comes with the current Tein offering for the CLS. AS a note, a spring with a progressive wind or other contrivance could be preloaded or designed to alter their spring rate. The current technology on changing spring rates is generally through (1) pneumatic springs, (2) revising the position of the spring placement to change the “effective” spring, and (3) by using inboard/pushrod-operated spring setups (like F1 etc) where the rocker can be changed (if desired).
2. SHOCKS CAN BE ALTERED AT TEIN -- They can re-valve the shocks to "modify" the characteristics of the damper in ways that cannot be done with the steppers or hand control.
3. NO PROGRESSIVE SPRINGS -- After a “glimmer” of hope, they said they are NOT going to be making progressive winds for the CLS (I got one "maybe" and two follow-on NOs.)
4. TIDBIT -- I even got a "maybe" on a slightly beefier bump stop for people with wide wheels and rims (emphasis on maybe).
That's what I got... YMMV
02-11-2003, 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by EricL
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2. SHOCKS CAN BE ALTERED AT TEIN -- They can re-valve the shocks to "modify" the characteristics of the damper in ways that cannot be done with the steppers or hand control.
3. NO PROGRESSIVE SPRINGS -- After a “glimmer” of hope, they said they are NOT going to be making progressive winds for the CLS (I got one "maybe" and two follow-on NOs.)
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2. SHOCKS CAN BE ALTERED AT TEIN -- They can re-valve the shocks to "modify" the characteristics of the damper in ways that cannot be done with the steppers or hand control.
3. NO PROGRESSIVE SPRINGS -- After a “glimmer” of hope, they said they are NOT going to be making progressive winds for the CLS (I got one "maybe" and two follow-on NOs.)
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Progressive springs would have been nice, but if they only work on what they have already said they plan on doing and the ride doesn't get too stiff with the changes they make then I'll consider the Teins. Guess we'll have to wait and see. But I guess a couple e-mails on my part asking about progressive springs couldn't hurt.
02-12-2003, 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Rod
Number 2 is another reason why I think it'd be better to wait and see what Tein ends up offering specifically for the CL; like I mentioned before, hopefully they actually put some thought into the CL specific kit instead of just slapping on a higher spring rate.
Progressive springs would have been nice, but if they only work on what they have already said they plan on doing and the ride doesn't get too stiff with the changes they make then I'll consider the Teins. Guess we'll have to wait and see. But I guess a couple e-mails on my part asking about progressive springs couldn't hurt.
Number 2 is another reason why I think it'd be better to wait and see what Tein ends up offering specifically for the CL; like I mentioned before, hopefully they actually put some thought into the CL specific kit instead of just slapping on a higher spring rate.
Progressive springs would have been nice, but if they only work on what they have already said they plan on doing and the ride doesn't get too stiff with the changes they make then I'll consider the Teins. Guess we'll have to wait and see. But I guess a couple e-mails on my part asking about progressive springs couldn't hurt.
This is what i'm going to be doing. I spoke with blxmjx yesterday and he said he's going to find out which spring rate that TEIN recommends for the situation i'm in and get a kit specifically for my preferences. it runs a little bit more because of the different springs, but if it's tailored to what i want then i think it's worth it. especially if they are not going to develop a CL specific kit.
And whenever their pillar mount comes out, i'll just upgrade the suspension to include that with the EDFC.
02-12-2003, 02:59 PM
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Awe man that sux. HUh. Welp. This really sucks. I was hoping they'd go with a progressive spring. But no worries. I guess it's time to start saving.
02-12-2003, 03:12 PM
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Zapata, I'll let you know how my install goes. I wasn't expecting to be paying more for the more prorgressive spring rate but in the end it'll be worth it. Just have to maybe wait an extra week or two so i can get the upgraded springs and get the shocks revalved.
So that is what i'm going to do:
Get the TEIN SS kit with the upgraded springs which are a more progressive spring rate, and get the shocks revalved.
I'll keep you guys posted. And when it's done i'll post pictures.
So that is what i'm going to do:
Get the TEIN SS kit with the upgraded springs which are a more progressive spring rate, and get the shocks revalved.
I'll keep you guys posted. And when it's done i'll post pictures.
02-12-2003, 03:32 PM
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too bad only 1 person has complained about bottoming out.
everyone else has said they work fine
you could get the zeals for $1200.
everyone else has said they work fine
you could get the zeals for $1200.
02-12-2003, 03:44 PM
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Mine has bottomed out in numerous occassions. So has JRock's TEIN setup. But we both live in areas where roads are complete shit. I saw a pot hole just yesterday, 8 inches deep and about the size of a medium pizza....and I kid you not.
For driving on normal freeway though, the ride is smooth as silk. Much better than the OEM setup.
For driving on normal freeway though, the ride is smooth as silk. Much better than the OEM setup.
02-12-2003, 03:51 PM
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The thing is, i drive a hell of a lot. ANd if i go with the more progressive spring rate i have no worries about bottoming out (or at least not too worry as much) and on top of that it'll still ride just as smooth on the freeway like chikai said. except here in cali even our freeway's bite big time, there are potholes on the entrances and exit's, many many bumps scattered on many freeways because of overpasses, bridges and to top it off, they are always doing construction somewhere and they stick those stupid metal plates on the ground which at night as all of you know you can't see worth shit!
i'd rather go with a more responsive setup even if it is a firmer ride. having a sports car is all about a firm and responsive ride anyways.
i'd rather go with a more responsive setup even if it is a firmer ride. having a sports car is all about a firm and responsive ride anyways.
02-12-2003, 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by slyraskal
Around $1200 i'm guessing, $400 more than i expected, but it'll be more "tuned" to my application and my worries about bottoming out are eliminated.
Around $1200 i'm guessing, $400 more than i expected, but it'll be more "tuned" to my application and my worries about bottoming out are eliminated.
You are getting the EDFC as well correct?
02-12-2003, 03:53 PM
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Yea like Mattg said...if you have the money, get Endless Zeal B6 Function.
The Teins aren't bad...I've only bottomed out a few times and that's because i was stupid...U-turns with a 2.5" drop mashing the pedal half way...going over some bumps I should have avoided...and so on...
The Teins aren't bad...I've only bottomed out a few times and that's because i was stupid...U-turns with a 2.5" drop mashing the pedal half way...going over some bumps I should have avoided...and so on...
02-12-2003, 03:55 PM
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too bad only 1 person has complained about bottoming out.
everyone else has said they work fine
you could get the zeals for $1200.
too bad only 1 person has complained about bottoming out.
everyone else has said they work fine
you could get the zeals for $1200.
Any advantage of the zeals??????
02-12-2003, 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
You are getting the EDFC as well correct?
You are getting the EDFC as well correct?
And hopefully by that time i'll have my sways and strut's put in as well as my rims.
02-12-2003, 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by slyraskal
No, i'm going to spend the extra money on the upgraded springs and revalving the shocks. when the Upper Pillar Mount comes out in the summer, i'll buy the EDFC at that time and have it all upgraded, then i'll really be able to enjoy the TEIN setup.
And hopefully by that time i'll have my sways and strut's put in as well as my rims.
No, i'm going to spend the extra money on the upgraded springs and revalving the shocks. when the Upper Pillar Mount comes out in the summer, i'll buy the EDFC at that time and have it all upgraded, then i'll really be able to enjoy the TEIN setup.
And hopefully by that time i'll have my sways and strut's put in as well as my rims.
02-12-2003, 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
Any advantage of the zeals??????
Any advantage of the zeals??????
02-12-2003, 04:13 PM
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hmmmmm, now i gotta do more research on the zeal's. especially if they add the ability to adjust camber and since they have a setup for the accord v6, the spring rates should be fine.
02-12-2003, 04:35 PM
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the tein ss spring rate is for accord v6, i think?
the cl-s weighs like 400lbs more than the v6 accord though.
the cl-s weighs like 400lbs more than the v6 accord though.
02-12-2003, 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by mattg
the tein ss spring rate is for accord v6, i think?
the cl-s weighs like 400lbs more than the v6 accord though.
the tein ss spring rate is for accord v6, i think?
the cl-s weighs like 400lbs more than the v6 accord though.
Anyone else care to chime in about this?
02-12-2003, 05:01 PM
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Is the Zeal kit CL-specific, doubtful huh? And no EDFC either.
But already 3 people, at least, in this topic are reported to have bottomed out with the Teins...not something I'd like after spending about a grand on my suspension.
But already 3 people, at least, in this topic are reported to have bottomed out with the Teins...not something I'd like after spending about a grand on my suspension.
02-12-2003, 05:15 PM
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You can go up to a 9k and a 6k spring rate on the teins (stock tein springs for the kit is 7k and 4k) w/out revalving. That is about the highest you'd realistically want to go. The price for getting the stiffer spring rate is only $160.00 I personally think that would solve things for 98% of the end users.
02-12-2003, 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
blxmjx,
What's the purpose of revalving the shocks?
blxmjx,
What's the purpose of revalving the shocks?
02-12-2003, 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by Rod
Is the Zeal kit CL-specific, doubtful huh? And no EDFC either.
But already 3 people, at least, in this topic are reported to have bottomed out with the Teins...not something I'd like after spending about a grand on my suspension.
Is the Zeal kit CL-specific, doubtful huh? And no EDFC either.
But already 3 people, at least, in this topic are reported to have bottomed out with the Teins...not something I'd like after spending about a grand on my suspension.
02-12-2003, 05:30 PM
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Zeal does however offer, Bumpstops, Coil Covers and other little things as accessories to their coilover kits.
http://www.endlessusa.com/estore/optional_parts.php
http://www.endlessusa.com/estore/optional_parts.php
