Beach-CL

Hi:

I ma about to order sway bars and noticed that there are now two offerings, Eibach or Comptech.
Based on your experience, which one performs better?

Thanks,

Beach-CL

deadlyCL-S

eibach makes sway bars now?

could you post a link?

Nashua_Night_Hawk

They have more.... too
1) Springs
2) Sways
3) Front Strut Bar (Bracket)
4) Rear Camber Kits

check the application guide at www.eibach.com

Here is the CLS applications:

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Beach-CL

Follow this link and scroll down to "Suspension". There are two entries for sway bars...

http://www.autocarparts.com/search/r...el=157&trim=11

[This message has been edited by Beach-CL (edited 04-16-2001).]

Nashua_Night_Hawk

So who bought an Eibach Sways bars, and how do they compare to Comptech?

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Black, Ebony, 3.2 CL Type-S, NAV.
- 3M clear bra, by Stonguard (full front bumper, and side mirrors, and partial hood)
- Acura Spoiler, Moonroof visor
- Splash guards, Winter mats, Trunk liner
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator
- HELMS Service Manual
- PIAA 19169 road lamps
- 03/19/01: Injen Polished CAI
- 04/13/01: 235/40/18 NITTO 555 on 18x7.5, +45 offset, Koing Imagine in Silver with wheels locks

Red Rider

Hey Beach,welcome.I can't comment on the Eibach's but i've had the Comptech sways on for about 3 weeks and they are awesome!!I took a drive yesterday on a windy "river" road that i've driven many times and it was like a whole new car.I'm sure the Eibachs are good,i've had their springs but i can't imagine they could be better.Good luck!

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Satin Slayer

This is all I could find about the sways.

Stock: 27.2mm(front) 19mm(rear)
Eibach: 27mm(front) 23mm(rear)
Comptech: ???(front) ???(rear)

Anybody know the specs for the Comptech sways? I assume larger diameter bars would be better...would there be a case where larger is not necessarily better?

EricL

I posted the thread a while back, here is the data:

Here is the updated data:

Comptech data provided by tech support NOT sales:


Front: 27.2 mm 0.177 wall thickness (same O.D. as stock [uses the same rubber mounts as stock]).

Rear: 22 mm solid bar.


CL-S (OEM) to Comptech front increase is 13%. I calc'd this value by using the 0.177 mm thickness of the CL-S tubing vs the CL's 0.107 thickness (value provided by Comptech tech support). I used a tool available from ZDNet to calculate hollow torsion bars torsion values in lb-inches.

So, on the CLS, the front is 13% stiffer (if everyone is correct about the data). 27.2 mm bar with 0.177 wall thickness in front).

The rear increase specified by Comptech is based on the replacement of the CL's 18mm bar (not the CL-S 19mm bar):

(22^4)/(18^4) = 2.23 -> 123% increase in rear rate; Close enough to their claimed increase of 130% in the rear.)

If I adjust for the CLS rear 19mm solid bar, then I get the following calc:
(22^4)/(19^4) = 1.80 -> 80% increase over stock 19mm bar.


So, the claimed increase for a CL is:
front = 68% more and rear 130% more.

The CL-S calc'd increase for a CL-S is:
front = 13% more and rear 80% more.


So, the Comptech sway bars were developed for the Accord. The rates they spec (130% front increase/68% rear increase) are when comparing against the CL/TL (that is what they said). So, remember a stiffer rear bar than stock makes for more oversteer. And a stiffer front bar makes for more understeer.

I went through about 4 sets on my BMW to get is just right (perfect balance for my tastes -- a slight understeer, with power off oversteer (rwd car)).

(this was the best I could do...)


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• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines ordered
• Comptech headers & sways ready
• Silver AEM CAI ready
• 6 coats of Zaino magic

WebToker

Did you decide if you were only going to install the back sway? You just got sways right?

EricL

I decided to install front and rear. IF I only install the rear, I will get more oversteer. If I install the Comptech front, I will get less oversteer than leaving the front in. I don't want the back coming around, unless I want it too.

I actually was wondering if I was out of my mind (about modding the car) this weekend. I was very happy with the car running through the hills at less than 100 MPH.

I'm staring to go, Hmmm. Did I really buy this car to enter a formula series?

But, I am hoping the effect of the sways will be negligible on the ride quality. If they screw my ride up, they are coming off. I felt the same way when I did the tires. I told the tire dealer, that if I didn't like 'em, they were coming back.

Hopefully, I will like them.

As a note, I like the look of the lowered car, but I need to try a ride in one with the Comptech sways and springs before I will do it (I need to go over a variety of surfaces, etc).

I think the car looks much better lowered the 1 to 1.5" that the Comptech (and other springs) do.

(just my opinion)


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Silver 2001 CL-S with NAVI

• Mud guards
• Wheel locks
• Toyo T1S 235/45ZR17-97W* Proxies on 17x8" SSR Competition wheels (48lbs less than stock)
• Kevlar/SS Brake lines ordered
• Comptech headers & sways ready
• Silver AEM CAI ready
• 6 coats of Zaino magic

[This message has been edited by EricL (edited 04-17-2001).]

Al Uminum

I will bet you one, NO, make that TWO Greek salads and two baloney sandwichs that those sways never come back off.

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fbazakos

i call whatever is leftover from this bet ... so either way i got a greek salad coming, or sways ... sounds like a toss up

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Beach-CL

Hey Guys:

thanks for your replies. I had heard the numbers from Comptech but don't have much info. on the Eibachs. So I hope to hear from somebody who got them.
Regarding springs, I don't want to lower my car. I'd be happy to get stiffer springs (and shocks) if I knew it would not lower the car.

CLpower

eibach ownz you, i don't have them, but sure wish they made them for me