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Old 02-08-2004, 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk
almost 75 lbft of torque gained at the wheels .... maybe this is the best CT SC application ever installed. Now I just wants to know why some other CT SC will net only some 25-45 lbft of torque.
There are some points where it may have exceeded that.

I think we will be able to determine why some cars make more than others with the blower. It will just require further testing.
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Originally posted by scalbert
What type of pics, of the blower installation?? My car looks stock, except under the hood, so it isn't all that great to look at.

For power adders I have the Comptech Supercharger and Headers. I also have a King Motorsports ported throttle body, Mugen thermostat and fan switch. Then lastly the Greddy e-Manage.
I notice you didn't mention the icebox? I thought the CT SC was more of a kit that came with an icebox?
Old 02-08-2004, 09:34 AM
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Nice work scalbert.

So, how driveable is it in the rain/snow?

I assume you have to really baby it to go anywhere if it's wet out.
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Originally posted by JaDia4
I notice you didn't mention the icebox? I thought the CT SC was more of a kit that came with an icebox?
That is part of the kit so I didn't break it out as a seperate item.
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Originally posted by SiGGy
So, how driveable is it in the rain/snow?

I assume you have to really baby it to go anywhere if it's wet out.
Snow, here??

In the rain it take serious throttle control. I normally just start off in 2nd and don't dip into the throttle more than about 20%.

Last Monday it was pouring here and was about 36 degrees. I was getting on I75 south, was in 3rd at about 70 MPH and got on it too much. The front end started going to the side but recovered once I let off some.
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Originally posted by scalbert
Snow, here??

In the rain it take serious throttle control. I normally just start off in 2nd and don't dip into the throttle more than about 20%.

Last Monday it was pouring here and was about 36 degrees. I was getting on I75 south, was in 3rd at about 70 MPH and got on it too much. The front end started going to the side but recovered once I let off some.
oh ya, your in GA. Hey it snows once in a blue moon

Scary! lol. I was thinking it would do something like that. I remember the days of trying to get my 450hp Camaro to move when it was barely wet out.

Good stuff, I can't wait to see what the IC does for you.
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Scalbert, that is mighty impressive!

Aren't your other pride-and-joys nearing the big 1?
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Originally posted by SiGGy
Scary! lol. I was thinking it would do something like that. I remember the days of trying to get my 450hp Camaro to move when it was barely wet out..
I guess that can be considered one good charateristic of FWD; it is easier to recover from a situation like this.
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Aren't your other pride-and-joys nearing the big 1?
It is a little ways off still, they were six months old on Friday.

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Well congrats on the results, but it sounds as though things will even get better. Two questions: When do you think the IC will be complete? How difficult is a removal/install of the throttlebody?
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Originally posted by scalbert
It is a little ways off still, they were six months old on Friday.

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Geez, Louise...I'm tryin' to rush them along for you.

Beautiful kids!
Old 02-08-2004, 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by JaDia4
Two questions: When do you think the IC will be complete? How difficult is a removal/install of the throttlebody?
The IC should be complete any day now. Once I pick it up form the machine shop it will still be a couple weeks out.

The TB is easy to remove/install; shouldn't take more than about thirty minutes.
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Originally posted by scalbert
It is a little ways off still, they were six months old on Friday.

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Those little faces are too cool!!
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with traction your prolly in the 12's scalbert
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Originally posted by darrinb
with traction your prolly in the 12's scalbert
And a competent driver...
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Very cute kids Steve!!
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Originally posted by scalbert
It is a little ways off still, they were six months old on Friday.

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Makenna looks like she's teething. How's that going? I'm dreading it and I've only got one kid.
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Originally posted by NSXNEXT
Makenna looks like she's teething. How's that going? I'm dreading it and I've only got one kid.
They both are. Makenna has a couple of teeth showing but both are suffereing the pains. It is not too bad but requires considerable attention, just prepare for some irritability from your child and your spouse.
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BTW, thanks for all of the compliments on the girls. They are darling to me but it is also nice to hear it from others.

Hrmm, the thread went from dynos to daughters.
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those pics are classics...anyway, would you ever consider a 35-50...not a suggestion just a question, id love to see a vid of your car with spray.
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People used to say to me "Oh, cute kids, your wife must be the good looking one".......
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Adorable kids!!!
Amazing HP and Torque numbers!!!
WOW!!!

Looks like us N/A boys got ta start cracking down the door of Uni-chip and demand P+P harness w/ good prices!!!!

Keep up the good work Steve and congrats again. Can't wait to see ur Intercooler w/ modded manifold.
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damn steve,


unlike most kids, urs are actually very good looking lol....they will be giving u alot of trouble w/in the next 13-21 years :P lol


good luck w/them
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Nice number Scalbert. I wish my car could lay down those numbers. My damn car now has a check engine light P0171 system too lean bank 1. Damn I just can't get my car running right. Short term fuel trim is 1.2 volt and Long term fuel is about 1.19volts. My car is running lean at idle and my computer is compensating for it. Anyway what is your fuel pressure at idle? My fuel pressure gauge is still sitting in the garage, I just couldn't fine the right fittings for it. Do you think I can just buy the e-managment and plug it in to my car without programming? Thanks
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Originally posted by sgmotoring
Short term fuel trim is 1.2 volt and Long term fuel is about 1.19volts.

Anyway what is your fuel pressure at idle?

Do you think I can just buy the e-managment and plug it in to my car without programming?
BTW, the fuel trim values are in %, not volts. It is an actual amount the ECU will alter the calculated pulse width.

My pressure at idle without vacuum is about 64 PSI. With 20 inHg vacuum it is about 33 PSI.

You could get the e-Manage, install it and it will run out of the box. However, it is not doing anything unless you program it.
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Nice numbers Steve!

With all the control you have with E-manage, wonder what would happen if you put your car on the bottle as well after your IC?

Just do it once for the ACL record, and bragging rights.

btw, very, very cute kids you have.
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Originally posted by CLS2001_97124
With all the control you have with E-manage, wonder what would happen if you put your car on the bottle as well after your IC?

Just do it once for the ACL record, and bragging rights.
I'm sure 500 WHP would be possible in that scenario for a single pass.

But I don't want to walk home.
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Originally posted by scalbert
I'm sure 500 WHP would be possible in that scenario for a single pass.

But I don't want to walk home.
beautiful babies steve...we'll have to swap some more photos soon...im a month and a half ahead of you....my girl's getting ready to crawl...it's funny to see her in the position just rocking back and fourth not knowing exactly what to do next
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I envy you dads out there as everytime I see my niece she brings a smile to my face. She just turned 14 months. Best wishes to all you dads out there!

Great numbers Steve.
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Originally posted by scalbert
It is a little ways off still, they were six months old on Friday.

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They are soooooo adorable. Wow, little sweeties!
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damn those are great numbers for the CLS...awesome job steve.

ur catching up to me...just got my C32 stageI + intake dyno'd at 345hp/341lb-ft.
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Awesome numbers, Steve.
Do you think boosted AV6 (Accords) will benefit as well?
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Originally posted by ronnie0738
ur catching up to me...just got my C32 stageI + intake dyno'd at 345hp/341lb-ft.
I'll be ahead in another month and have better gearing. But it is all pointless as I can't use most of it below about 60 - 70 MPH.
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Originally posted by av6ent
Awesome numbers, Steve.
Do you think boosted AV6 (Accords) will benefit as well?
Percentage wise, certainly. But total power numbers would obviously be lower.
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Originally posted by scalbert
Percentage wise, certainly. But total power numbers would obviously be lower.
peak HP is not requirement for Accord to be same as CLS. Do you think E-Manage will be better then VAFC to tune aggressively and the same time safe?
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Originally posted by scalbert
I'll be ahead in another month and have better gearing. But it is all pointless as I can't use most of it below about 60 - 70 MPH.
But only in hp. :P With traction control off, my pilot sports spin a lot...it would be interesting to see how you run from third on.
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Originally posted by av6ent
Do you think E-Manage will be better then VAFC to tune aggressively and the same time safe?
Definitely, because you will be able to retard timing.
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Originally posted by ronnie0738
But only in hp. :P With traction control off, my pilot sports spin a lot...it would be interesting to see how you run from third on.
This is with the IC complete and more boost run; I have the gearing advantage so my torque deficit is somewhat overcome and I can hold a lower gear longer. But this theoretical run would have to start in 3rd. However, I doubt we will ever encounter one another.

That would be interesting having these two car run; both are blown 3.2L V6 engines but from different philosophies.
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Originally posted by scalbert
Definitely, because you will be able to retard timing.
I understand that advancing or retard timing will give you more power all across the entire power band since advancing the timing allows the fuel to spark earlier and burn gasoline longer which gives you more power. The trade-off is that you have to use higher octane fuel to prevent knocking (detonation) which is all boosted guys must do.

Now, since Accord does not have knock sensors how is retard timing thing can be accomplished safely? And another thing. I pretty sure that by lowering compression ratio on forged pistons to 9:0.1 (Accord) and getting full forged internals installed will benefit the further boost increase safely.

Appreciate your response, Steve in advance.
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Originally posted by av6ent
I understand that advancing or retard timing will give you more power all across the entire power band since advancing the timing allows the fuel to spark earlier and burn gasoline longer which gives you more power. The trade-off is that you have to use higher octane fuel to prevent knocking (detonation) which is all boosted guys must do.

Now, since Accord does not have knock sensors how is retard timing thing can be accomplished safely? And another thing. I pretty sure that by lowering compression ratio on forged pistons to 9:0.1 (Accord) and getting full forged internals installed will benefit the further boost increase safely.

Appreciate your response, Steve in advance.
Steve will chime in here I'm sure, but as I understand it, the forced induction generates heat, and heat promotes the onset of spark knock. The more boost you run the more heat you generate, so you should retard the timing acordingly. As you retard the timing, you are taking away potential performance, so pull timing, but no more then necessary. If you are running an intercooler you don't have to retard the timing as much because the intake air is cooled. Lower compression ratio also lowers the temps in the combustion chamber, and the forged internals will hold up better to the spark knock episodes if, and when, they do happen. Retarding the timing will almost always lower the performance, but the gains from the added boost outweigh the losses form the pulled timing.


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