Supercharge/Nitrous
05-09-2007, 10:34 PM
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Supercharge/Nitrous
In my opinion I think you guys (CL owners) have done more modding than the TL owners so that's why I'm asking this over here. How do you guys think the 6-Speed tranny would hold running a supercharger and Nitrous? I'm pretty sure plenty of people have run both in other cars.
But my question is, can our cars take it? I know my auto trans would never hold, but I am planning a swap to the six speed summer time hopefully. Just asking because I think you guys will offer great insight.
Thanks!
But my question is, can our cars take it? I know my auto trans would never hold, but I am planning a swap to the six speed summer time hopefully. Just asking because I think you guys will offer great insight.
Thanks!
05-09-2007, 10:49 PM
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Because I love my Acura. The swap will cost roughly five and the charger five. But I'd like to keep this on topic. Not about the swap. But lets talk about the Nitrous in conjunction with Charger! Thanks.
05-09-2007, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
Depends how much boost and how much spray.
ThinJim was running 450 whp and had some slippage on the 6 speed but it held nicely.EDIT: Steve--->wasn't TJ running 10 psi with the kit he had on? Can't remember.
05-09-2007, 11:00 PM
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That was with a custom turbo setup, correct? How much boost was he running?
Disregard amount of boost. But it was a turbo set up if I'm not mistaken. Would there be any advantage to the SC vs. the turbo if I wanted to spray as well?
Disregard amount of boost. But it was a turbo set up if I'm not mistaken. Would there be any advantage to the SC vs. the turbo if I wanted to spray as well?
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05-09-2007, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ryebreadisme
That was with a custom turbo setup, correct? How much boost was he running?
Disregard amount of boost. But it was a turbo set up if I'm not mistaken. Would there be any advantage to the SC vs. the turbo if I wanted to spray as well?
Disregard amount of boost. But it was a turbo set up if I'm not mistaken. Would there be any advantage to the SC vs. the turbo if I wanted to spray as well?
05-09-2007, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ryebreadisme
Because I love my Acura. The swap will cost roughly five and the charger five. But I'd like to keep this on topic. Not about the swap. But lets talk about the Nitrous in conjunction with Charger! Thanks.
Fair enough.
05-09-2007, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ryebreadisme
That was with a custom turbo setup, correct? How much boost was he running?
Disregard amount of boost. But it was a turbo set up if I'm not mistaken. Would there be any advantage to the SC vs. the turbo if I wanted to spray as well?
Disregard amount of boost. But it was a turbo set up if I'm not mistaken. Would there be any advantage to the SC vs. the turbo if I wanted to spray as well?
There ya go...lol...
MtBikR was SC'ed and sprayed...then switched to a turbo
05-10-2007, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by o2cls
Well assuming the swap cast 5-10k., and the charger cost almost 4-5k, I must ask....why not just go sell and buy a GTO or Trans-Am or Vette...?
I'd buy a Mustang instead if I wanta go faster
05-10-2007, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by ryebreadisme
Maybe something like 10PSI with a 75shot?
You need to search the forum...
1) 10PSI might be possible with this blower but you will come extremely close to reaching the maximum speed for the blower.
2) At anything above the standard high boost pulley (5-7psi) you're going to need a intercooler or aftercooler of some sort. That's gonna run you around $2,500 if you can find one for sale on the forum
3) The fuel system with the Comptech kit is pretty close to being maxed out with just the high boost pulley. I would be cautious of then spraying a 75shot on top of it. So then you're going to need to install new injectors as well ($600).
4) Tuning. If you're running 10psi + intercooler + nitrous you're going to need a completely custom tune. And since you've decided to run such a high boost level and nitrous you're going to be running some large injectors (at least 440cc) so tuning is going to be tricky, especially at part throttle. Or you're going to have to add a 7th injector to come on only when you spray ($400-700)
5) And most importantly, I still don't think the motor is going to handle that much power. With the boost you want to run and the intercooler you're talking roughly 450-470hp at the crank. Spray a 75 shot on top of it (properly tuned) and you're probably going to jump that up to 550-570hp. That's more than the turbo cars are running. And allmotor slowly destroyed his motor and eventually had to replace his shortblock. So if this is your goal you'll need a built motor. Add $5k for that.
So you're going to spend:
Transmission swap $5k+
Used supercharger $2.5k
Used aftercooler $2.5k
Gauges and fittings $400
Wideband O2 AFR $250+
Injectors $600
Tuning $700
Motor Build $5k
Misc parts $500
So you're going to spend over $17,000 (and that includes no labor charges other than building your motor) on your car that is probably worth somewhere around $12,000 depending on your mileage.
You're 18 years old. Sure a motor and transmission swap with supercharger and nitrous sounds like a lot of fun. But you would be a complete moron to drop $17k+ on your first car. Buy a fucking house!
05-10-2007, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
You need to search the forum...
1) 10PSI might be possible with this blower but you will come extremely close to reaching the maximum speed for the blower.
2) At anything above the standard high boost pulley (5-7psi) you're going to need a intercooler or aftercooler of some sort. That's gonna run you around $2,500 if you can find one for sale on the forum
3) The fuel system with the Comptech kit is pretty close to being maxed out with just the high boost pulley. I would be cautious of then spraying a 75shot on top of it. So then you're going to need to install new injectors as well ($600).
4) Tuning. If you're running 10psi + intercooler + nitrous you're going to need a completely custom tune. And since you've decided to run such a high boost level and nitrous you're going to be running some large injectors (at least 440cc) so tuning is going to be tricky, especially at part throttle. Or you're going to have to add a 7th injector to come on only when you spray ($400-700)
5) And most importantly, I still don't think the motor is going to handle that much power. With the boost you want to run and the intercooler you're talking roughly 450-470hp at the crank. Spray a 75 shot on top of it (properly tuned) and you're probably going to jump that up to 550-570hp. That's more than the turbo cars are running. And allmotor slowly destroyed his motor and eventually had to replace his shortblock. So if this is your goal you'll need a built motor. Add $5k for that.
So you're going to spend:
Transmission swap $5k+
Used supercharger $2.5k
Used aftercooler $2.5k
Gauges and fittings $400
Wideband O2 AFR $250+
Injectors $600
Tuning $700
Motor Build $5k
Misc parts $500
So you're going to spend over $17,000 (and that includes no labor charges other than building your motor) on your car that is probably worth somewhere around $12,000 depending on your mileage.
You're 18 years old. Sure a motor and transmission swap with supercharger and nitrous sounds like a lot of fun. But you would be a complete moron to drop $17k+ on your first car. Buy a fucking house!
1) 10PSI might be possible with this blower but you will come extremely close to reaching the maximum speed for the blower.
2) At anything above the standard high boost pulley (5-7psi) you're going to need a intercooler or aftercooler of some sort. That's gonna run you around $2,500 if you can find one for sale on the forum
3) The fuel system with the Comptech kit is pretty close to being maxed out with just the high boost pulley. I would be cautious of then spraying a 75shot on top of it. So then you're going to need to install new injectors as well ($600).
4) Tuning. If you're running 10psi + intercooler + nitrous you're going to need a completely custom tune. And since you've decided to run such a high boost level and nitrous you're going to be running some large injectors (at least 440cc) so tuning is going to be tricky, especially at part throttle. Or you're going to have to add a 7th injector to come on only when you spray ($400-700)
5) And most importantly, I still don't think the motor is going to handle that much power. With the boost you want to run and the intercooler you're talking roughly 450-470hp at the crank. Spray a 75 shot on top of it (properly tuned) and you're probably going to jump that up to 550-570hp. That's more than the turbo cars are running. And allmotor slowly destroyed his motor and eventually had to replace his shortblock. So if this is your goal you'll need a built motor. Add $5k for that.
So you're going to spend:
Transmission swap $5k+
Used supercharger $2.5k
Used aftercooler $2.5k
Gauges and fittings $400
Wideband O2 AFR $250+
Injectors $600
Tuning $700
Motor Build $5k
Misc parts $500
So you're going to spend over $17,000 (and that includes no labor charges other than building your motor) on your car that is probably worth somewhere around $12,000 depending on your mileage.
You're 18 years old. Sure a motor and transmission swap with supercharger and nitrous sounds like a lot of fun. But you would be a complete moron to drop $17k+ on your first car. Buy a fucking house!
Maybe it will just be charger then. Like I said, it was all just a thought. Thanks again for your input, all of you guys!
05-10-2007, 12:36 PM
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I agree with mrsteve. As fun as that swap would be you would be better off (and cheaper) to just buy a car with close to that much power already, and one that can handle it.
Now you wnt to get rid of the glass tranny and put in a 6 speed, im all for that
Now you wnt to get rid of the glass tranny and put in a 6 speed, im all for that
05-10-2007, 02:39 PM
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Eh, I appreciate all of your input. That was all just a thought though. The swap is going to happen. I have enough time and money to do that now
If you do it please keep us informed of your progress.....
The tranny is fine with high HP. The clutch you'd want to upgrade & that's another $1K.
I haven't heard of a 6mt dying yet from high HP. Just clutches.
05-11-2007, 01:00 AM
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It might be just a "claim" at this point, but I am one to follow through. I don't think I'll find anything else I'd rather dump my money in to. I can't get a motorcycle, so why not a new transmission? Honestly, I don't know why people think that I can't do this. It's like because I don't have a nine to five I'm not able to afford some luxuries. End rant.
05-11-2007, 06:27 AM
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congrats on Cardomain's showoff of the week SIRSIG! 
back to the topic, there's been a couple guys that have had S/C and Nitrous, if you've got the time, money, and aren't worried about dumping that much into a car that will never be worth near what you're putting into it, go for it. It is RARE that you will get much of your money back when modding a car, but if that's what you want to spend it on and you're not worried about investing for your future, mod the hell out of it and keep it forever.