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A story and a warning...
So about 45 minutes ago, I'm driving back from the local Yoshinoya's where I had just picked up lunch. I'm stopped at a red light and my mind is distracted by both hunger and the Air Liquide semi-truck passing through the intersection. Eyes following the volatile semi brought me to notice a white 1st-gen CL w/plus-sized chrome wheels stopped and waiting for a left turn on my cross-street. He gets his light and turns into the intersection.
In the turn, the young driver looks at me in my IS300 and flips me off.
I'm thinking, "okay...?"
Now this is obviously a loser, and I'm not implying that he is at all representative of the CL community or this board. What does get me thinking is that this guy obviously has something against the IS300, and that probably came about from his experiences on the Internet, on this and/or our website. (Because I don't remember "Acura Driver" or any other source of information ever indicating that CL owners should have any particular reason to dislike IS300 owners.)
When I'm driving around the LA area and see a CL or CL-S being driven by a young person, the possibility does register that the driver could be a member of this board, and might even be somebody that has expressed extreme opinions along the lines of, "I wanna key ever IS I see," or something of the like. Of course, that's just something said, and most of them even explain here that it's just "Internet talk."
What disturbs me is that this little event is the first instance I've seen of somebody taking the insubstantial conflict of the Internet into real life.
I'm sure most of you guys (as are most of the guys over on is300.net) are well-adjusted people who don't do stupid and wrongs things in real life. But it was just demonstrated to me there are people who are willing to cross that line. Granted, he just flipped me off. But it doesn't take that much more to key somebody's car either.
I guess if there is a moral to this story, it's gotta be: Beware of the conflicts you create online. There exist people stupid enough to bring that into the real world.
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In the turn, the young driver looks at me in my IS300 and flips me off.
I'm thinking, "okay...?"
Now this is obviously a loser, and I'm not implying that he is at all representative of the CL community or this board. What does get me thinking is that this guy obviously has something against the IS300, and that probably came about from his experiences on the Internet, on this and/or our website. (Because I don't remember "Acura Driver" or any other source of information ever indicating that CL owners should have any particular reason to dislike IS300 owners.)
When I'm driving around the LA area and see a CL or CL-S being driven by a young person, the possibility does register that the driver could be a member of this board, and might even be somebody that has expressed extreme opinions along the lines of, "I wanna key ever IS I see," or something of the like. Of course, that's just something said, and most of them even explain here that it's just "Internet talk."
What disturbs me is that this little event is the first instance I've seen of somebody taking the insubstantial conflict of the Internet into real life.
I'm sure most of you guys (as are most of the guys over on is300.net) are well-adjusted people who don't do stupid and wrongs things in real life. But it was just demonstrated to me there are people who are willing to cross that line. Granted, he just flipped me off. But it doesn't take that much more to key somebody's car either.
I guess if there is a moral to this story, it's gotta be: Beware of the conflicts you create online. There exist people stupid enough to bring that into the real world.
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05-15-2001, 06:58 PM
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good point but did you think maybe he just thought he knew you and was saying whats up???im not joking...i call my best friend by such warm gretting as dick and %ock sucker its just our way
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Is it possible you banged his girlfriend in highschool? LOL
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I would have chased him down and flicked a penny at his car and used the cornering abilities of your IS to get away.. 
Doesn't matter what car a guy drives...if someone is a dick..they need a lesson shown to them.
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Doesn't matter what car a guy drives...if someone is a dick..they need a lesson shown to them.
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WOW,
That's unbelievable
What an F'Tard.
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That's unbelievable
What an F'Tard.
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There will be those immature ppl who just can't differenciate real life from the internet. weather you like a car or not, that is no reason to flip someone off.
I really can't understand why ppl don't like the IS300?? I like it, its just not right for my lifestyle. I'm waiting til the day I can get the GS4..
They're are plenty of idiots out there, driving all kinds of cars... I hate to say, that's just the world we live in today.
Be careful who you decide to flip off. You never know how stupid and crazy a person is and if they have a gun.
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I really can't understand why ppl don't like the IS300?? I like it, its just not right for my lifestyle. I'm waiting til the day I can get the GS4..
They're are plenty of idiots out there, driving all kinds of cars... I hate to say, that's just the world we live in today.
Be careful who you decide to flip off. You never know how stupid and crazy a person is and if they have a gun.
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DtEW. I don't know what part of LA you're from but I used to live in Highland Park (NE Los Angeles) and had that type of *courtesy* given to me at times. People are asshole, expecially these racer-wannabes... Just ignore it and go on. In a city like LA, it's good advice just to forget about it and drive on. Unless ur crazy and u know the moron is some puny stick, then you who realizes he's about a foot taller and maybe twice as heavy cautiously open your door, step out and watch his panzy ass speed away. Either way, same effect...heh
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But he's right. Some people, after a long standing, unrealistic conflict online started to bring that conflict into real life, acting our the frustrations and battles experienced online in the real word.
It happens in cars, women, sports, gun, politics, finances, everything we love and enjoy. The Internet is great, but it does strange things to some people.
I know this to be the case because I sometimes think about these very same things (I said think) but I never act them out; too mature for that.
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It happens in cars, women, sports, gun, politics, finances, everything we love and enjoy. The Internet is great, but it does strange things to some people.
I know this to be the case because I sometimes think about these very same things (I said think) but I never act them out; too mature for that.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DtEW:
What does get me thinking is that this guy obviously has something against the IS300, and that probably came about from his experiences on the Internet, on this and/or our website. </font>
What does get me thinking is that this guy obviously has something against the IS300, and that probably came about from his experiences on the Internet, on this and/or our website. </font>
just my .02
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On another note, DTew you ass I cannot believe I wasted my time replying to you when you declined to state what car you drive. I cannot believe that I took the time to reply to someone who drives an IS 300 who got disturbed when I said that the CLS is the best value in its class. And then declined to state what car it is you were driving. You obviously feel bad about your purchase. No problem though. Feeling guilty about making the wrong choice, is natural.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gavriil:
On another note, DTew you ass I cannot believe I wasted my time replying to you when you declined to state what car you drive. I cannot believe that I took the time to reply to someone who drives an IS 300 who got disturbed when I said that the CLS is the best value in its class. And then declined to state what car it is you were driving. You obviously feel bad about your purchase. No problem though. Feeling guilty about making the wrong choice, is natural.
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On another note, DTew you ass I cannot believe I wasted my time replying to you when you declined to state what car you drive. I cannot believe that I took the time to reply to someone who drives an IS 300 who got disturbed when I said that the CLS is the best value in its class. And then declined to state what car it is you were driving. You obviously feel bad about your purchase. No problem though. Feeling guilty about making the wrong choice, is natural.
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On topic now.
So what do you think you are doing with this post. You are an IS 300 owner and you come here posting that someone with a CL flipped you off and state it on this board. So? To make us feel guilty? TO make us think, oh poor IS 300 owners, we flip them off on the road. And feel for you?
Flipping on the road is a daily occurance. Have you heard of road rage ever? So if a guy with a Lumina flips me off I should go to their board and write a message with a subject "A STORY AND A WARNING". And pretend that Lumina owners have something against my CL? What a cheap excuse at best.
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So what do you think you are doing with this post. You are an IS 300 owner and you come here posting that someone with a CL flipped you off and state it on this board. So? To make us feel guilty? TO make us think, oh poor IS 300 owners, we flip them off on the road. And feel for you?
Flipping on the road is a daily occurance. Have you heard of road rage ever? So if a guy with a Lumina flips me off I should go to their board and write a message with a subject "A STORY AND A WARNING". And pretend that Lumina owners have something against my CL? What a cheap excuse at best.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by eclipse23:
It's official now, you are an ass.
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It's official now, you are an ass.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by gavriil:
On topic now.
So what do you think you are doing with this post. You are an IS 300 owner and you come here posting that someone with a CL flipped you off and state it on this board. So? To make us feel guilty? TO make us think, oh poor IS 300 owners, we flip them off on the road. And feel for you?
Flipping on the road is a daily occurance. Have you heard of road rage ever? So if a guy with a Lumina flips me off I should go to their board and write a message with a subject "A STORY AND A WARNING". And pretend that Lumina owners have something against my CL? What a cheap excuse at best.
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On topic now.
So what do you think you are doing with this post. You are an IS 300 owner and you come here posting that someone with a CL flipped you off and state it on this board. So? To make us feel guilty? TO make us think, oh poor IS 300 owners, we flip them off on the road. And feel for you?
Flipping on the road is a daily occurance. Have you heard of road rage ever? So if a guy with a Lumina flips me off I should go to their board and write a message with a subject "A STORY AND A WARNING". And pretend that Lumina owners have something against my CL? What a cheap excuse at best.
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What a loser. I hate losers that give me a bad name because I have something in common with them (car we drive).
I mean, if I see an IS300 I'll probably grin and maybe even shake my head a little, but I wouldn't even think of flipping you off.
Not to mention if you prove me wrong and blow me away with a hidden turbo or something, you'd earn my respect, not my hatred.
I may dislike the stock IS300 because IMHO it's an overpriced, semi-ricey Civic, but if you have turned it into a rocket, that's cool with me. I have no problem being awed by an IS300. It is kinda cute and to see one all kitted out and performance-enhanced is nice!
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I mean, if I see an IS300 I'll probably grin and maybe even shake my head a little, but I wouldn't even think of flipping you off.
Not to mention if you prove me wrong and blow me away with a hidden turbo or something, you'd earn my respect, not my hatred.
I may dislike the stock IS300 because IMHO it's an overpriced, semi-ricey Civic, but if you have turned it into a rocket, that's cool with me. I have no problem being awed by an IS300. It is kinda cute and to see one all kitted out and performance-enhanced is nice!
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did you blow a kiss? did not put your signal ahead of time? you were mistaken for the guy who fu*ked his girl? but whats the purpose of this post? If a guy in an IS300 flipped me off, I sure as hell wouldnt go complain on the IS300 forum....I would go and complain about the teeth stuck in my fist
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Whoops! I'm sorry, DtEW, I didn't know that was you. We're experimenting with a matter to energy transporter where I work, and the first thing we did was beam me car and I to LA and back. I never saw a Starbucks before. I got a tan too.
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Ya, I don't flip off IS300 drivers, I just leave them a nice view of my rear-license plate and maybe a little tire smoke.
DTEW: Just ignore that shit, happens all the time, him being in a 2st gen CL was coincidence I bet. Maybe he even flips off Type S owners, don't read too much into it...
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DTEW: Just ignore that shit, happens all the time, him being in a 2st gen CL was coincidence I bet. Maybe he even flips off Type S owners, don't read too much into it...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by GoldTypeS:
I dunno... I just think this is a REALLY REALLY big assumption.</font>
I dunno... I just think this is a REALLY REALLY big assumption.</font>
As you might have already gathered, it was so bizarre and out-of-the-blue that it's not a matter of anger or blame. If I came face-to-face with this driver right now, I wouldn't be interested at all in calling him out, but rather in engaging him and trying to find what made him tick, especially in regards to his life on the Internet.
Again, you're right. It might have nothing to do with the Internet. But that was the train of thought that occurred after this strange incident, and I think it still holds validity even independent of true motives of that other driver.
Scorpius: LOL, I should have guessed it was you.
Next time give me fair warning before you conduct any further matter-transportation research, and I'll be ready to counter any more transgressions upon my turf. CL-Super: Well, as I just said to GoldTypeS, it was more of a "hmm" thing than a "WTF" thing. My point is that some people take the Internet thing way too seriously, and bring the sh!t that gets around into real life. I think we need to get a handle on it before some unlucky IS300 owner or CL owner gets keyed or a rock in their window.
I'm still trying to figure out a way to communicate the same story and warning to my fellow IS300 owners w/o turning it into an us-vs-them thing.
gavriil: If you took the time to read my post with any care, it should be obvious that my point is not really about what some CL driver did. For all intents and purposes, the situation could have been completely reversed and there wouldn't be any reason to doubt the CL owner's story. The point that is the conflict between the two communities (that you sometimes help to perpetuate, BTW) can sometimes leave the virtual realm and spill into real life.
Call me arrogant or whatever, but my recent conflicts with you and your techniques of argumentation have told me as much as I ever want to know about the kind of person you are, irrespective of your car. I don't care enough about you to bother ignoring you as a matter of policy, but I'm certainly not going to waste any of my time entertaining your low-blow fights. Least of all am I going to play into your hand and let you again turn this into an IS300-owner-vs.-CL-owner-thing.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by HellaWhat:
DtEW. I don't know what part of LA you're from but I used to live in Highland Park (NE Los Angeles) and had that type of *courtesy* given to me at times. People are asshole, expecially these racer-wannabes... Just ignore it and go on. In a city like LA, it's good advice just to forget about it and drive on. Unless ur crazy and u know the moron is some puny stick, then you who realizes he's about a foot taller and maybe twice as heavy cautiously open your door, step out and watch his panzy ass speed away. Either way, same effect...heh
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DtEW. I don't know what part of LA you're from but I used to live in Highland Park (NE Los Angeles) and had that type of *courtesy* given to me at times. People are asshole, expecially these racer-wannabes... Just ignore it and go on. In a city like LA, it's good advice just to forget about it and drive on. Unless ur crazy and u know the moron is some puny stick, then you who realizes he's about a foot taller and maybe twice as heavy cautiously open your door, step out and watch his panzy ass speed away. Either way, same effect...heh
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Just look at mike tyson!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Jayru:
What? Size has NOTHING to do with fighting abilities. Actually, someone who is 5'6 could EASILY put it to someone taller with no SWEAT if that person knows how to fight.
Just look at mike tyson!
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What? Size has NOTHING to do with fighting abilities. Actually, someone who is 5'6 could EASILY put it to someone taller with no SWEAT if that person knows how to fight.
Just look at mike tyson!
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And also...
I SWEAR!! EVERY SINGLE FUCXKING IS-300 I see on the road is driven by a BITCH!(Chick). What the FUCK! Everytime I pull onto an IS, I get this bIG HUGE smile thinking I am gonna blow one of these fuckin things away for once, then I see the driver, and it's a 30+ year old WOMAN!!!
GOT THIS CAR IS SUCH A CHICK CAR!!!
Hehe Kinda like the new VW BUG.
HEHEHEHE
No offense DtEW, Hehehehe ALL I WANT IS SOME BOY-RACER punk to be driving one of these IS-300's so I can smoke his ASS for lunch!
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DtEW,
Just to break the ice...
Are you planning on coming to the So. Cali Nite meet thursday (Tustin Black Angus)? Come along man, meet some people/ eat good steak.
There's gona be all kinds of jap and euro imports there..
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Just to break the ice...
Are you planning on coming to the So. Cali Nite meet thursday (Tustin Black Angus)? Come along man, meet some people/ eat good steak.
There's gona be all kinds of jap and euro imports there..
Kvit
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• Polarg BlHybrid M-6 Road lamps
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• [Southern Calif. Nite Meet 5/17: Tustin Black Angus 6-7pm]
05-16-2001, 02:17 AM
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DTeW -->
It's gotta be a Cali thing Around me, in suburban Chicagoland, everyone driving a TLS and CLS is either a woman, or an old man, with NO reason to jump on the gas at a stoplight, or to flick someone off b/c they opted for the IS. Weird how some people literally.. and truly let their cars become their character, and the size of their ego is a result, subsequently of how fast their ride is, or how expensive. I mean, it's always one or the other, right?
Saabman had a good point the other day --> doesn't anyone just roll their windows down and not wish they had another car.. just enjoy the drive for the sake of driving? Isn't that the ultimate driving machine ..a car that makes you happy?
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It's gotta be a Cali thing
Around me, in suburban Chicagoland, everyone driving a TLS and CLS is either a woman, or an old man, with NO reason to jump on the gas at a stoplight, or to flick someone off b/c they opted for the IS. Weird how some people literally.. and truly let their cars become their character, and the size of their ego is a result, subsequently of how fast their ride is, or how expensive. I mean, it's always one or the other, right?Saabman had a good point the other day --> doesn't anyone just roll their windows down and not wish they had another car.. just enjoy the drive for the sake of driving? Isn't that the ultimate driving machine ..a car that makes you happy?
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05-16-2001, 02:42 AM
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KavexTrax: I'm thinking about it, but the fly in the ointment is that I've already promised a few people that I was going to make the clublexus.com/is300.net meet in Carson this coming Saturday. Being that second midterms are next week and finals are just around the bend (I know, screwed-up schedule), I'm seriously considering blowing all my commitments. But then again, if I find time on Thursday night, I'll try to make it. There are quite a few people from this board I'd be very interested in meeting. Sorry about not being able to give a firm answer.
TL_Type_S: Yeah, I too very much liked the point that Saabman articulated the other day. That's how you know any person is a true driving enthusiast and connoisseur of life.
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TL_Type_S: Yeah, I too very much liked the point that Saabman articulated the other day. That's how you know any person is a true driving enthusiast and connoisseur of life.
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05-16-2001, 03:17 PM
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Everyone now has a reasonable voice of some kind, I want one now LOL.
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05-16-2001, 03:26 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by DtEW:
gavriil: If you took the time to read my post with any care, it should be obvious that my point is not really about what some CL driver did. For all intents and purposes, the situation could have been completely reversed and there wouldn't be any reason to doubt the CL owner's story. The point that is the conflict between the two communities (that you sometimes help to perpetuate, BTW) can sometimes leave the virtual realm and spill into real life.
Call me arrogant or whatever, but my recent conflicts with you and your techniques of argumentation have told me as much as I ever want to know about the kind of person you are, irrespective of your car. I don't care enough about you to bother ignoring you as a matter of policy, but I'm certainly not going to waste any of my time entertaining your low-blow fights. Least of all am I going to play into your hand and let you again turn this into an IS300-owner-vs.-CL-owner-thing.
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gavriil: If you took the time to read my post with any care, it should be obvious that my point is not really about what some CL driver did. For all intents and purposes, the situation could have been completely reversed and there wouldn't be any reason to doubt the CL owner's story. The point that is the conflict between the two communities (that you sometimes help to perpetuate, BTW) can sometimes leave the virtual realm and spill into real life.
Call me arrogant or whatever, but my recent conflicts with you and your techniques of argumentation have told me as much as I ever want to know about the kind of person you are, irrespective of your car. I don't care enough about you to bother ignoring you as a matter of policy, but I'm certainly not going to waste any of my time entertaining your low-blow fights. Least of all am I going to play into your hand and let you again turn this into an IS300-owner-vs.-CL-owner-thing.
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