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08-08-2003, 04:31 PM
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yes i have and i beat him barely by 1.5 cars..... but i also got beat by another by 1.5 cars... was stock at the time... got cai now...those things are pretty fast but with a few mods you shouldnt have prob with them
08-09-2003, 06:43 AM
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They should whoop up on a cl-s decently. The power #'s are way underrated. Sport Compact car just did a dyno test on it (stock) and it put down 223 whp and 256 ft.lbs. Because they are so light, A good driver will wreck even a modded cl-s.
08-09-2003, 11:25 AM
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I don't think it would take much for a CL-S (espeacially a 6sp) to beat one of them. I've driven one before and wasn't highly impressed. You get what you pay for too! CL's are heavier too, so that is against you also. If you guys have, lets say the Comptech headers and CAI, you think you can get into the 13's?
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damn.... didnt know they were that fast.
ive seen a good handful of them here in PA. up here, people prefer american cars for some reason and thats like the boy ricers' car...
ive seen a good handful of them here in PA. up here, people prefer american cars for some reason and thats like the boy ricers' car...
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SRT4 = faster than CL-S, no questions asked. doesnt matter if CL-S is 6 speed or auto. any person that at least knows how to drive stick to some degree of accuracy would walk on any CL-S any day, unless said CL-S was boosted or on the gas. (or heavily heavily worked N/A)
the SRT-4 is doing 13.7-13.9 stock. no non-boosted, non-nitrous CL can touch those numbers, at least not yet
the SRT-4 is doing 13.7-13.9 stock. no non-boosted, non-nitrous CL can touch those numbers, at least not yet
08-11-2003, 11:40 AM
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A SRT-4 with a person that knows how to drive stick will beat any CLS with i/h/e, totally agree. I have run into 2 SRT-4's this passed weekend, one I beat because it was a kid that had no idea how to drive stick, the other guy beat me pretty good. Getting back to the kid, first light we had he stalled it off the line, caught me at another light, and bogged the hell out of it off the line and I had him by a car and a half off of my jump alone, I think he was trying to show for his girlfriend, who was uncontrollably laughing at him after going 0-2 against me, he gave up, I felt like showing him how to drive stick, I almost felt bad for him, well maybe not!! :devil:
08-11-2003, 09:10 PM
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They should whoop up on a cl-s decently. The power #'s are way underrated. Sport Compact car just did a dyno test on it (stock) and it put down 223 whp and 256 ft.lbs. Because they are so light, A good driver will wreck even a modded cl-s.
08-12-2003, 05:31 AM
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For the price for a CL-S i could almost buy 2 Eees R tee Fourz.
.. and so what..
I could drive a snow mobile on the street and whoop an Eees R tee four, or buy a 5000 dollar bike and whoop it.. cheap crap cars that go fast mean nothing. IT is has NO prestige, costs pennies in my pockets, and proves nothing other than the fact that if you 26grand canadian u can own fast trash.
.. and so what..
I could drive a snow mobile on the street and whoop an Eees R tee four, or buy a 5000 dollar bike and whoop it.. cheap crap cars that go fast mean nothing. IT is has NO prestige, costs pennies in my pockets, and proves nothing other than the fact that if you 26grand canadian u can own fast trash.
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you guys can go on and on and on about the SRT-4 having no prestige, not being classy, being just another one of the fast little cheap rocket box cars. well yeah, thats all true, but the simple fact that you would SAY these types of things means that the SRT-4 IS SERVING ITS INTENDED PURPOSE.
the SRT-4 is such a well performing vehicle that people with "superior cars" in "superior classes" start to get bent out of shape and get defensive and start rattling off critisizms of the SRT-4 and bashing it for this, that, or the other thing.
the fact is that the SRT-4 will smoke the shit out of a CL-S. PERIOD. a well driven SRT-4 will smoke the shit out of a well driven CL-S 6 speed, even with headers.
obviously, that irks some CL-S owners and gets under their skin to the point they feel it nessesary to bash the SRT-4 without ever even giving it a chance.
you can rattle off all the BS bashing you want against a SRT-4 but the fact remians, it will beat your ass on the street, on the track, in the twisties, anywhere. and the only way to dull that painful reality for some people (not just CL-S owners but owners of all cars that are supposed to be fast and cool, etc) is to start bashing it.
its uncalled for, and unjustified. have you even ever driven an SRT-4??? Dodge put ALOT of effort, time, R&D into the SRT-4 and the end result is a fucking AWESOME car for the money, id love to see one vehicle that offers nearly what the SRT-4 does for the price. all the bashing is pointless, biased, unjustified, and unproven.
does the SRT-4 have reliability issues?? who the hell knows!?!! it just came out!!
does the SRT-4 have lousy build quality??? well, thats in the eye of the beholder and honestly, it cant be much worse than the RATTLEMONSTER CL-S!!!! nearly every single member here has taken their CL-S in for NUMEROUS rattles, squeaks, creaks, and other things relating purely to cheapo build quality.
people need to shut the fuck up with the bashing and just admit that it will beat the pants off of them, after all, this topic is about RACING, about SPEED, about POWER....not about the badge on the back, the build quality, the reliability, etc.
honestly though, SRT-4 owners can just smirk at people who bash their car because all the bashing in the world wont change the fact that the SRT-4 will beat most cars out there in any type of race.
the SRT-4 is such a well performing vehicle that people with "superior cars" in "superior classes" start to get bent out of shape and get defensive and start rattling off critisizms of the SRT-4 and bashing it for this, that, or the other thing.
the fact is that the SRT-4 will smoke the shit out of a CL-S. PERIOD. a well driven SRT-4 will smoke the shit out of a well driven CL-S 6 speed, even with headers.
obviously, that irks some CL-S owners and gets under their skin to the point they feel it nessesary to bash the SRT-4 without ever even giving it a chance.
you can rattle off all the BS bashing you want against a SRT-4 but the fact remians, it will beat your ass on the street, on the track, in the twisties, anywhere. and the only way to dull that painful reality for some people (not just CL-S owners but owners of all cars that are supposed to be fast and cool, etc) is to start bashing it.
its uncalled for, and unjustified. have you even ever driven an SRT-4??? Dodge put ALOT of effort, time, R&D into the SRT-4 and the end result is a fucking AWESOME car for the money, id love to see one vehicle that offers nearly what the SRT-4 does for the price. all the bashing is pointless, biased, unjustified, and unproven.
does the SRT-4 have reliability issues?? who the hell knows!?!! it just came out!!
does the SRT-4 have lousy build quality??? well, thats in the eye of the beholder and honestly, it cant be much worse than the RATTLEMONSTER CL-S!!!! nearly every single member here has taken their CL-S in for NUMEROUS rattles, squeaks, creaks, and other things relating purely to cheapo build quality.
people need to shut the fuck up with the bashing and just admit that it will beat the pants off of them, after all, this topic is about RACING, about SPEED, about POWER....not about the badge on the back, the build quality, the reliability, etc.
honestly though, SRT-4 owners can just smirk at people who bash their car because all the bashing in the world wont change the fact that the SRT-4 will beat most cars out there in any type of race.
08-12-2003, 10:45 AM
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who cares if that little turbocharged car will smoke the pants off our 4000lb boats. The srt-4 was made for this purpose, lotta horsepower, lotta torque in a lightweight car and to be a fast little race car thats inexpensive and highly modable to keep up competition against cars like the Spec V, SVT focus, WRX, etc etc....but the fact of the matter is, ITS STILL A NEON! regardless of how fast it is. Just like the Spec V is still a sentra and the SVT is still a ford fungus.
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the SRT-4 smokes the shit out of all the competition you mentioned so badly its embarrassing for those cars. the SRT-4 dynos 230+ hp and 245+ ft lbs. those cars you mentioned, doesnt even come close. it doesnt keep up with competition, it raised the bar, shattered the barrier, and sits at the absolute pinnacle of its segment. the only cars that can realistically compete that are in SOMEWHAT of a similar class are the EVO or STI, both of which are 10,000 more dollars and AWD.
there IS NO competition for the SRT-4 in its own segment.
give some credit where credit is due for once
there IS NO competition for the SRT-4 in its own segment.
give some credit where credit is due for once
08-12-2003, 11:55 AM
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You know even though you may never even think of buying a neon, you have to agree with jimcol711 on this one, for what this car was made for $$$, this car is a beast. It wasn't made to be a luxury sport car, it was made to be a beast on the street, and track. At the same time it should be considered in the same class as the WRX-STi and the EVO, but in my eyes the SRT-4 just isn't quite there yet, but it will be. I happen to love my TL-S and I would never trade it in for a SRT-4, that is not what I was looking for when I bought my car and that is what it comes down too, personal preference, but at the same time you can't bash the performance numbers for the SRT-4.
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Originally posted by Chaptorial
Do you own stock in Daimler-Chrysler Jim?
Do you own stock in Daimler-Chrysler Jim?
08-12-2003, 07:35 PM
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The SRT-4 neon is the beast, the best pocket rocket for less than $25k, even it is a $20k! However, as FWD, it is still had issues with handling. WRX and STI and the EVO are a better Sports Car choice... ehm both are beast, monsters in handling and power too!.
08-16-2003, 09:43 AM
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yes the evo and sti are better cars stock but u put the 11k extra that u have to pay for the sti and evo into the srt-4 all the evo and sti would see is WELL U KNOW THE OLD SAYING anyway u did it
08-16-2003, 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by 2003TL-S
You know even though you may never even think of buying a neon, you have to agree with jimcol711 on this one, for what this car was made for $$$, this car is a beast. It wasn't made to be a luxury sport car, it was made to be a beast on the street, and track. At the same time it should be considered in the same class as the WRX-STi and the EVO, but in my eyes the SRT-4 just isn't quite there yet, but it will be. I happen to love my TL-S and I would never trade it in for a SRT-4, that is not what I was looking for when I bought my car and that is what it comes down too, personal preference, but at the same time you can't bash the performance numbers for the SRT-4.
You know even though you may never even think of buying a neon, you have to agree with jimcol711 on this one, for what this car was made for $$$, this car is a beast. It wasn't made to be a luxury sport car, it was made to be a beast on the street, and track. At the same time it should be considered in the same class as the WRX-STi and the EVO, but in my eyes the SRT-4 just isn't quite there yet, but it will be. I happen to love my TL-S and I would never trade it in for a SRT-4, that is not what I was looking for when I bought my car and that is what it comes down too, personal preference, but at the same time you can't bash the performance numbers for the SRT-4.
08-19-2003, 11:14 AM
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why buy an Acura CL/TL-S? luxury sport. why buy a neon? to smoke the anyone who tries to race you. can't you guys see that all jim is saying is that it certainly lives up to its design specs as do our acuras. nuff said.
08-19-2003, 11:44 AM
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Oh, the SRT-4 compraisons to the WRX, STi and Evo...
The WRX costs at least 25% more and then STi and Evo cost at least 50% more. Not exactly the same market segment.
The SRT-4 is great for consumers as it offers great peformance in a great price, as has already been noted.
The WRX costs at least 25% more and then STi and Evo cost at least 50% more. Not exactly the same market segment.
The SRT-4 is great for consumers as it offers great peformance in a great price, as has already been noted.
08-26-2003, 04:24 PM
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Man forget about SRT-4's I got my ass handed to me (literally) by some guy in a regular neon. I was on the highway, he cut me off, I gave him the thumbs down, and all hell broke loose. Long story short I took an exit, knowing where the local police station was, I was gonna lead him there cuz he was acting like he was going to kill me on the freeway. One wrong turn in the city streets had me looking right at a gated residential community with no way to turn around but the way he was coming in. He rammed my front and came out screaming, thank goodness the cops showed up just then. Anyway those neons are crazy light. I had just an intake at the time... but still... 
I'm quite embarassed
I'm quite embarassed
08-26-2003, 04:30 PM
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Funny but saying it's still a Neon but hooking up our cars, some people still say "it's still Japanese crap"
Look for 20k it ownsz all other cars. It ownsz us driven well. I don't think ANY NEON owners thinks his car is a luxury car but it is a pocket rocket and MORE POWER to Dodge to making it.
LAME ATTEMPTS
Toyota Corolla S (WTF is the S badge there for)
Civic Si Hatchback (POS)
Look for 20k it ownsz all other cars. It ownsz us driven well. I don't think ANY NEON owners thinks his car is a luxury car but it is a pocket rocket and MORE POWER to Dodge to making it.
LAME ATTEMPTS
Toyota Corolla S (WTF is the S badge there for)
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08-26-2003, 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by jimcol711
you guys can go on and on and on about the SRT-4 having no prestige, not being classy, being just another one of the fast little cheap rocket box cars. well yeah, thats all true, but the simple fact that you would SAY these types of things means that the SRT-4 IS SERVING ITS INTENDED PURPOSE.
the SRT-4 is such a well performing vehicle that people with "superior cars" in "superior classes" start to get bent out of shape and get defensive and start rattling off critisizms of the SRT-4 and bashing it for this, that, or the other thing.
the fact is that the SRT-4 will smoke the shit out of a CL-S. PERIOD. a well driven SRT-4 will smoke the shit out of a well driven CL-S 6 speed, even with headers.
obviously, that irks some CL-S owners and gets under their skin to the point they feel it nessesary to bash the SRT-4 without ever even giving it a chance.
you can rattle off all the BS bashing you want against a SRT-4 but the fact remians, it will beat your ass on the street, on the track, in the twisties, anywhere. and the only way to dull that painful reality for some people (not just CL-S owners but owners of all cars that are supposed to be fast and cool, etc) is to start bashing it.
its uncalled for, and unjustified. have you even ever driven an SRT-4??? Dodge put ALOT of effort, time, R&D into the SRT-4 and the end result is a fucking AWESOME car for the money, id love to see one vehicle that offers nearly what the SRT-4 does for the price. all the bashing is pointless, biased, unjustified, and unproven.
does the SRT-4 have reliability issues?? who the hell knows!?!! it just came out!!
does the SRT-4 have lousy build quality??? well, thats in the eye of the beholder and honestly, it cant be much worse than the RATTLEMONSTER CL-S!!!! nearly every single member here has taken their CL-S in for NUMEROUS rattles, squeaks, creaks, and other things relating purely to cheapo build quality.
people need to shut the fuck up with the bashing and just admit that it will beat the pants off of them, after all, this topic is about RACING, about SPEED, about POWER....not about the badge on the back, the build quality, the reliability, etc.
honestly though, SRT-4 owners can just smirk at people who bash their car because all the bashing in the world wont change the fact that the SRT-4 will beat most cars out there in any type of race.
you guys can go on and on and on about the SRT-4 having no prestige, not being classy, being just another one of the fast little cheap rocket box cars. well yeah, thats all true, but the simple fact that you would SAY these types of things means that the SRT-4 IS SERVING ITS INTENDED PURPOSE.
the SRT-4 is such a well performing vehicle that people with "superior cars" in "superior classes" start to get bent out of shape and get defensive and start rattling off critisizms of the SRT-4 and bashing it for this, that, or the other thing.
the fact is that the SRT-4 will smoke the shit out of a CL-S. PERIOD. a well driven SRT-4 will smoke the shit out of a well driven CL-S 6 speed, even with headers.
obviously, that irks some CL-S owners and gets under their skin to the point they feel it nessesary to bash the SRT-4 without ever even giving it a chance.
you can rattle off all the BS bashing you want against a SRT-4 but the fact remians, it will beat your ass on the street, on the track, in the twisties, anywhere. and the only way to dull that painful reality for some people (not just CL-S owners but owners of all cars that are supposed to be fast and cool, etc) is to start bashing it.
its uncalled for, and unjustified. have you even ever driven an SRT-4??? Dodge put ALOT of effort, time, R&D into the SRT-4 and the end result is a fucking AWESOME car for the money, id love to see one vehicle that offers nearly what the SRT-4 does for the price. all the bashing is pointless, biased, unjustified, and unproven.
does the SRT-4 have reliability issues?? who the hell knows!?!! it just came out!!
does the SRT-4 have lousy build quality??? well, thats in the eye of the beholder and honestly, it cant be much worse than the RATTLEMONSTER CL-S!!!! nearly every single member here has taken their CL-S in for NUMEROUS rattles, squeaks, creaks, and other things relating purely to cheapo build quality.
people need to shut the fuck up with the bashing and just admit that it will beat the pants off of them, after all, this topic is about RACING, about SPEED, about POWER....not about the badge on the back, the build quality, the reliability, etc.
honestly though, SRT-4 owners can just smirk at people who bash their car because all the bashing in the world wont change the fact that the SRT-4 will beat most cars out there in any type of race.
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Originally posted by EVANCRUZ
umm..... not that i don't agree with the performance of the neon but soes anyone here remember why dodge stopped building turbo-charged vehicles? i will refresh your memory, they don't know how! history will tell you they haven't been able to keep those things in one piece since they were intrduced back in the 80's. but don't take my word for it check the archive consumer reports. there is a reason why they don't hold any value. one other thing what would you rather buy, an acura with 50k miles on it or a turbo-dodge with 50k miles on it?
umm..... not that i don't agree with the performance of the neon but soes anyone here remember why dodge stopped building turbo-charged vehicles? i will refresh your memory, they don't know how! history will tell you they haven't been able to keep those things in one piece since they were intrduced back in the 80's. but don't take my word for it check the archive consumer reports. there is a reason why they don't hold any value. one other thing what would you rather buy, an acura with 50k miles on it or a turbo-dodge with 50k miles on it?
Today, both Garrett and Mitsubishi turbos have a much greater life span than they did twenty years ago.
Lastly, a lot has to do with cost. The extra items and plumbing associated with a turbo application cost more for the manufacturer than does a larger block.
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Originally posted by scalbert
Quite a bit of this had to do with turbo technology in general. And BTW, many of these turbo engines, even before the formation of DSM, were sourced from Mitsubishi.
Today, both Garrett and Mitsubishi turbos have a much greater life span than they did twenty years ago.
Lastly, a lot has to do with cost. The extra items and plumbing associated with a turbo application cost more for the manufacturer than does a larger block.
Quite a bit of this had to do with turbo technology in general. And BTW, many of these turbo engines, even before the formation of DSM, were sourced from Mitsubishi.
Today, both Garrett and Mitsubishi turbos have a much greater life span than they did twenty years ago.
Lastly, a lot has to do with cost. The extra items and plumbing associated with a turbo application cost more for the manufacturer than does a larger block.
85 or 86 labaron turbo then an 88 shadow turbo and last a 89 sundance turbo. they were very quick for their time but by 30k miles every single one of those cars had blown a head gasket. along with numerous other problems. anyways i don't wish car problems on anybody. lets just hope that the new generation neon can hang in there long enough for people to enjoy it.
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Originally posted by EVANCRUZ
actually i don't know when tha last time i saw an 80's dodge turbo around town. but my nieghbor has a dodge daytona turbo. it's sitting in his garage it doesn't run. i base what i' m saying on personal experience and 17 years working on cars. my father used to love those cars his first was a
actually i don't know when tha last time i saw an 80's dodge turbo around town. but my nieghbor has a dodge daytona turbo. it's sitting in his garage it doesn't run. i base what i' m saying on personal experience and 17 years working on cars. my father used to love those cars his first was a
Do you see any old Caravan's running around?? Many have the same engine or a version of what was mentioned.
One reason for failures in the past was due to poor engine management. This is light years ahead now especialy when it comes to knock detection and control. That is how many early turbo engines got damaged IMO...
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