Shifting techniques on the 6 spd..Found One.

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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 03:32 PM
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Shifting techniques on the 6 spd..Found One.

I jus discovered this a couple of days ago..ofcourse most of u might alrdy know it but for me it was new cuz this is my first stick.
While driving aggresively i dont push the clucth all the way down while shifting...This resulted in the rpms staying high. Is this commonly done? Cuz before this every time i shifted i pushed the clucth all the way...now when i partly do it while driving aggressivly...it seem somewhat better..Explain this phenomenon to this amateur stick driver pls

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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 03:36 PM
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I call it "speed shifting" with "deep" pockets for a new clutch needed sooner than normal...........:P
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Fabvsix
I call it "speed shifting" with "deep" pockets for a new clutch needed sooner than normal...........:P
i dont agree with that the clutch engages quicker,less slipage should be less wear to the clutch but may wear other parts...i thought speed shifting was not pressing the clutch at all...
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 03:53 PM
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how could you shift with out stepping on the clutch?
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 04:03 PM
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if you dont push the clutch down you may grind some gears eventually
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 04:23 PM
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I guess.. it is possible to shift with out a pressing the left pedale... It is called SMG style...
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 04:46 PM
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SMG slowly malfunctioning gear box
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 05:17 PM
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You can do clutchless shifting and I believe it has to do with shifting between certain gears at certain rpms. Still sounds like a recipe for disaster in a car that doesn't get a new clutch and gear box between drives.
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 06:05 PM
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Hello new transmission if you're not pressing the clutch all the way in all time or at least 95% in. My method of shifting is to see how fast I can take my right foot off the accelerator, press the clutch with the leftie, depress the clutch and then slam my right foot back on the acclerator--speed shifting. It's so hard not to do it with that lovely 6 speed! OH, and it's not called a stick, it's a manual.
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 06:17 PM
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There is alot to learn about shifting

I got 2 modes (well there's more then that, but basicly two).

1) Speed shifting (like what 6speedS said). This is how you shift if you want to chirp second gear

2) Finesse mode - This is smooth shifting, so smooth that your passengers don't realise that they're in a manual car. Push the clutch in all the way to the floor and ease it back up slowly. No lurching, bucking, or herky-jerky movement allowed.

It takes a while to perfect both, and sometimes It's hard to switch between each mode.
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 06:30 PM
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I would be careful with your "speed shifting"....ive done it a lot in mine (19kmiles already) and i can feel my clutch starting to slip...it still engages well, but not as good as it used to....im not sure if its b/c of my "speed shifting", but i would have to say it has a little bit to do with it....like others said...just be careful
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 08:13 PM
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Man, I used to be able to "slip" the shifter on my 240SX all the time. You could just feel when the right rpm was and that shifter would go right into gear with no clutch at all. If you press on the shifter in the direction of the next gear as you accelerate you can usually feel the shifter want to go in that direction when it is the correct RPM.
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 08:40 PM
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ok, things people need to know. it is completely possible to shift gears in a manual transmission without pressing the cluth at all! done a lot, it will wear out the gear box becuase you can often hear the slight "tick" of the gears as going into it. this is how its done. every manual transmission car has a certain rpm where, when gas is released, the stick will just pop out of gear easyly. then, if you press it lightly into the next gear it should just pop in. the rpm where this happens (everything is lined up perfectly) is hard to find, and this shifting IS NOT for speed, but for smoothness, becuase you cant add gas when doing it. when you pop out of one gear, and into neutral, as the engine spools down it finds its place and pops into gear. this was done at 3100 rpm's on my peugeot and on my friends '91 eclipse its 5500 and on his sentra type r it happens at 2900. i dont advise trying to find it, you mihgt happen to find it by accedent, but its quite cool.
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 08:42 PM
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JZ has the right idea
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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 10:28 PM
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Re: Shifting techniques on the 6 spd..Found One.

Originally posted by purplehaze
I jus discovered this a couple of days ago..ofcourse most of u might alrdy know it but for me it was new cuz this is my first stick.
While driving aggresively i dont push the clucth all the way down while shifting...This resulted in the rpms staying high. Is this commonly done? Cuz before this every time i shifted i pushed the clucth all the way...now when i partly do it while driving aggressivly...it seem somewhat better..Explain this phenomenon to this amateur stick driver pls

PH
True speed shifting is keeping the gas pegged, hitting the clutch, slamming the shifter into the next gear, and popping the clutch. It gives the fastest times if done right (and hits the rev limiter if done wrong)....

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Old Dec 12, 2002 | 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by CLUofI
SMG slowly malfunctioning gear box
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by amisconception
how could you shift with out stepping on the clutch?
This can be done with any synchromesh transmission. The key is to move the gearshift firmly and slowly into the appropriate gear for your speed. The synchros will do the work of aligning the gear teeth even without disengaging the engine from the tranny (via clutch). Naturally, this puts a lot of extra wear on the synchros. This method is a "fail safe" in case your clutch fails to disengage (failed master cylinder or hydraulic line - yes, and you can start the car in gear too). I haven't found this method to be particularly smooth because the engagement speed is on the low side.

Speed shifting is for those times when you have a lot of money burning a hole in your pocket and are just dying to spend it on a new tranny and clutch.

Best advice: depress the clutch pedal fully before engaging the next gear. Smoothness is delivered by properly modulating the clutch and the throttle.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 04:45 PM
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Re: Re: Shifting techniques on the 6 spd..Found One.

Originally posted by Wires
True speed shifting is keeping the gas pegged, hitting the clutch, slamming the shifter into the next gear, and popping the clutch. It gives the fastest times if done right (and hits the rev limiter if done wrong)....

Wires is correct. Speed shifting still requires the clutch. However, Power Shift on the other hand is when people shit between gears between gears. The only time I've seen this done is either in big trucks where you can shift at very low rpm range, or for muscle cars at high RPMs when they are drag racing.

Either way, not stepping your clutch all the way down when shifting will only ware it out faster. I think it's working for you right now is because your car is still pretty new. However, give it a year or so, your clutch will slip like there is no tomorrow. JMO.
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 04:56 PM
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you would be better off stabbing the clutch by pushing it in and releasing it as fast as possible and timing your shift throws accordingly than pushing it halfway in
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 07:58 PM
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All I have to say about this thread is OH MY GOD! Shifting lessons in your new CL S ...christ!
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Old Dec 13, 2002 | 09:36 PM
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you have to learn some time
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Old Dec 14, 2002 | 01:01 AM
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