TLCL

i know, i've been trying to search but have come off empty.

during this debate i want to know what you guys think for those that have tried lowered springs and konis vs tein ss.

i understand tein ss allows height adjustability for practically the same price as the the comp's and the koni's,

but which provides the better feel? which lasts longer?

maybe blxmjx could fill in the gap as i haven't had experience with the tein ss's, but have had experience with lowered springs and koni's and they are solid.

sorry for the revisited post, i just want what is best.

TLCL

bump

mattg

have you tried revisiting the search button


i will know more this week when my teins arrive.

TLCL

no i tried the search. .seems like its coming up on empty with the very old posts. .not sure why?

mattg

if the comptechs offer the drop you desire, and you have no need for height adjustability, i'd say stick w/ the springs/koni's.


i need to go lower and be able to raise the car for winter driving, so the teins should work well for me.

the racespring/lowerperch setup is low, but it rides like hell.

TLCL

mattg, you have the koni and the comptech springs setup right now?

TLCL

ic thats cool. give a little feedback when you get them.

nate'sCLS

I get the same all the time, glad to hear I'm not alone.
The search is useless anymore IMO.

CL®

alright. changed my name (don't have the TL type S anymore, saving for a 5 series.). now i can concentrate on my CL. he he he

CL®

oops i was TLCL.

nate'sCLS

nice idea you grabbed from soopa :o

CL®

i know, i bit his style. sorry soopa.

mattg

you coulda had a mod change your user name


now you're a supernoOb.

mattg

79 posts, down the drain :'(

nate'sCLS

sad to see those hard earned posts go man.

soopa

like matt said... if the comptechs are low enough for you... they are the IDEAL setup.


they are one of FEW springs which are PERFECTLY tuned to OUR car.


i've had Comptechs, Ground Control's, and TEINs...

Comptechs are the best feeling spring.


TEINS/Others simply arent made for OUR car... and you can feel it.

mattg

soopa, how are you liking the teins?

can you give us a little review?

CL®

hmm. .interesting. thanks for the input, especially since you've actually used the products.

Six Shifter

but do Comptechs resolve the issue of a lower rearend due to a system install? tried to get this answered in another thread but didn't get much in the way of a response.

mattg

i would say yes, since the comptech springs make the car sit with a rake.

with a heavy system it should sit even

CL®

haha you guys are crazy.

damn i won't be able to catch up to 3,400 posts like you guys huh.

mattg

nope

Six Shifter

I'm talking a full inch difference between front/rear at the moment. Looks like an early Mustang or a pre-Tundra Toyota 4x4 with the reverse rake. I assume you're including the use of Koni's with the springs

mattg

no, are you totally stock, suspension-wise?

Six Shifter

yes. haven't done anything to the car outside of the system yet. the (apparent) weight of the subbox is starting to impact the stock setup, exaggerating the 4x look up front. hence my other thread on what to do about the inverse rake, and the best way to correct. was even thinking that the only way to rectify might be to lower the front and leave the rear alone - save sways. thoughts?

EricL

If and when Tein makes the mods to the CL bits to allow the stepper motors to fit (summer time frame?), the EDFC will be an option and this is going to be very interesting.

While they don't have variable spring rate that the Praxis and other system (Mercedes) have, the ability to change the rebound and compression damping from inside the car should go along way -- with the right choice of coilover spring -- to make them acceptable for cruddy roads - and twisty hills.

Too bad they don't have the ride height possibilities that the Praxis system does

EricL

The inverse rake is not going to help the weight transfer off the line.

If you are completely content with your sound system and think you will be sticking with it, you might want to consider changing to another make of spring in the rear. I believe there are some people that are doing this.

Perhaps a: "Are you using different springs in the front and rear" might attract a few responses from some members.

You also might want to check with people that have had the Comptechs on a while and see how the front settles relative to the rear with time...

BMW used to sell three different heights of spring pads as factory options to allow users to adjust the corner heights on their cars (three was all that was available for my car so there may have been more). The rear ride height could be changed upto 1/2" by swapping out one of three spring pads. They had them for a number of cars and some aftermarket folks made them as well.

Wonder if it would hurt to see if some of the pads in the Honda/Acura line up could be used for the same purpose?

Zapata

So tein is planning something for the CLS?

EricL

I've called about three times so far and summer is the current time frame. They have some other jobs to finish before they get to the CL Type-S, but when I've asked, "Do you really think you are going to do this," I've received positive responses every time (it was more of a matter of when not if)

Do feel free to call them. I suspect the more people that call, the better...


P.S. -- when I asked if they were going to make different stepper motors, they said NO! They told me they were going to modify the current coilovers (and associated bits and pieces) to allow the current stepper motors to fit. When I asked about smaller stepper motors, they said that they weren't sure that they would be strong enough and last long enough.

YMMV

CL®

it seems like they give you the runaround for ETAs on their products like most manufacturers.

Six Shifter

thats something to think about ... a variable on the stock rear and Comptech fronts scenario I originally wondered about. I'm not looking for anything radical, and although there are real reasons not to go for a mixing and matching option, something that would improve upon stock rears while bringing the fronts down to a point equal to or below the rears (visually) while maintaining the overall comfort/driveability is something to consider. wonder if this might dictate a different spring/shock combination for each end of the car?

peiqinglong

I would recommend the coilovers...especially if your planning to drop a system in the rear or get rims. The price of the Teins (from blxmjx) compared to CT springs and koni, while maybe slightly more expensive, it's definitely worth it. Also if you are performance oriented, Tein has an upgrade option where before you get the coilovers, they will upgrade the springs and revalve the shocks for like another 10-15% stiffness on top of what it is already for $60 per spring...so another $240 to the total purchase price. And yea it sucks that the EDFC does fit the CL, but fits the TL. Hopefully they will have something out soon that will work.

Six Shifter

appreciate the info. Would I be wrong in assuming that I would require a camber kit with the Tein's that I wouldn't require if I went the Comptech route, and does Tein offer such a product or would this require a Comptech camber kit? I do already have a system (which is probably the cause of the reverse rake) and rims are a consideration - although I just may go the 235/45/17 on stock rims until I make up my mind (and see how much this is all going to set me back). Don't think I'd be seeking the addit stiffness, as I spend over 2 hours a day commuting in this thing as it is, although it is mainly Interstate surface. tks again.