Rematch: E55 AMG vs 03 Cobra. *vid*
11-04-2003, 07:50 PM
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Rematch: E55 AMG vs 03 Cobra. *vid*
Well, remember that vid that I posted not to long ago... Guess what? Another rematch of this two beast..
http://www.repyx.com/cobravse55rematch.wmv
Lesson learned: Don't fawk with AMG!
http://www.repyx.com/cobravse55rematch.wmv
Lesson learned: Don't fawk with AMG!
11-04-2003, 08:08 PM
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noice....stock e55....aside from the tires...wow...the e55 just ate the cobra alive from the start.
not suprising considering the e55 has atleast 50hp and 100ftlbs of trq more than the cobra.....even with the mods you see how badly the cobra lost.
e55 doesn't even have any power mods.....yipes.....
e55
4087 lbs.
5.5L v8
Max Torque: 2650 rpm
cobra
3665 lbs.
4.6L v8
Max Torque: 3500 rpm
not suprising considering the e55 has atleast 50hp and 100ftlbs of trq more than the cobra.....even with the mods you see how badly the cobra lost.
e55 doesn't even have any power mods.....yipes.....
e55
4087 lbs.
5.5L v8
Max Torque: 2650 rpm
cobra
3665 lbs.
4.6L v8
Max Torque: 3500 rpm
11-04-2003, 08:26 PM
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I don't get it... They have the monkey pissing on the Ford symbol but it appears that the Cobra wins both times. After the first race, they cut to the a scene at the end where the Cobra has already slowed down... Maybe I'm wrong. Both cars are sweet though and the AMG is pretty sick
11-04-2003, 08:28 PM
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Ummn.. watch the end.. The Cobra appears to pass the AMG.. At 3:20 on the video... Maybe the AMG was slowing down or I'm just mistaken as they are going so fast it's hard to really tell
And the first time at the end it's not accurate (2:38) as the Cobra has already slowed down by the time they reach the camera..
I love the AMG, but a well modified Cobra would kill a stock AMG...
Remember Gav's dyno's?
Modded 03 Cobra:
Estimated Fly Wheel Horsepower: 651 @ 5920 rpms [assuming 16 % drivetrain loss]
Estimated Fly Wheel Torque: 697 @ 4260 rpms [assuming 16 % drivetrain loss]
I'd take the E55 over the Cobra any day though
And the first time at the end it's not accurate (2:38) as the Cobra has already slowed down by the time they reach the camera..
I love the AMG, but a well modified Cobra would kill a stock AMG...
Remember Gav's dyno's?
Modded 03 Cobra:
Estimated Fly Wheel Horsepower: 651 @ 5920 rpms [assuming 16 % drivetrain loss]
Estimated Fly Wheel Torque: 697 @ 4260 rpms [assuming 16 % drivetrain loss]
I'd take the E55 over the Cobra any day though
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11-04-2003, 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
Ummn.. watch the end.. The Cobra wins or appears to.. At 3:20 on the video
Ummn.. watch the end.. The Cobra wins or appears to.. At 3:20 on the video
seems the e55 has already let off the gas. The second race was much closer as the cobra got a good launch.
11-04-2003, 08:37 PM
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seems the e55 has already let off the gas. The second race was much closer as the cobra got a good launch.
It would have been much better if these guys took it to the track. I'd love to see what they were running and to see the 60ft for the E55
11-04-2003, 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
Ummn.. watch the end.. The Cobra appears to pass the AMG.. At 3:20 on the video... They are going so fast it's hard to really tell
And the first time at the end it's not accurate (2:38) as the Cobra has already slowed down by the time they reach the camera..
I love the AMG, but a well modified Cobra would kill a stock AMG... Remember Gav's dyno's?
Modded 03 Cobra:
Estimated Fly Wheel Horsepower: 651 @ 5920 rpms [assuming 16 % drivetrain loss]
Estimated Fly Wheel Torque: 697 @ 4260 rpms [assuming 16 % drivetrain loss]
Ummn.. watch the end.. The Cobra appears to pass the AMG.. At 3:20 on the video... They are going so fast it's hard to really tell
And the first time at the end it's not accurate (2:38) as the Cobra has already slowed down by the time they reach the camera..
I love the AMG, but a well modified Cobra would kill a stock AMG... Remember Gav's dyno's?
Modded 03 Cobra:
Estimated Fly Wheel Horsepower: 651 @ 5920 rpms [assuming 16 % drivetrain loss]
Estimated Fly Wheel Torque: 697 @ 4260 rpms [assuming 16 % drivetrain loss]
wow....man couple of things
not the same car. stock supercharge ron the cobra is not a kenne bell. It only has a upgraded pulley and diablo chip. With those mods he might get 60hp/60ft-lbs. The numbers you are citing are from a kenne bell S/C kit that is aftermarket.
11-04-2003, 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by cusdaddy
You're probably right. The E55 is insanely fast off the line!! WOW
It would have been much better if these guys took it to the track. I'd love to see what they were running and to see the 60ft for the E55
You're probably right. The E55 is insanely fast off the line!! WOW
It would have been much better if these guys took it to the track. I'd love to see what they were running and to see the 60ft for the E55
i'm just as suprised as you. For that much weight to get moving so quickly....especially against the cobra. Perhaps the driver of the cobra isn't the best? I'm sure it's not easy launching a car with all that power and the notoriously heavy clutched fords.
11-04-2003, 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by KavexTrax
ok this would be appropriate to ask then,
whats the difference between a
Rousch 1, 2, and 3?
ok this would be appropriate to ask then,
whats the difference between a
Rousch 1, 2, and 3?
i believe that rousch 1 and 2 are appereance mods only......3 is where the power goodies come in but i'm sure Pull_T will chime in at some point.....
11-04-2003, 10:24 PM
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this shows that its not always the faster car than wins, yes the amg is a beast, but a 03 cobra would those mods should walk away from it WITH THE RIGHT DRIVER, its a mllion times easier to launch that benz than the ford
i'm waitin for the 65 amg to come out, i think its gonna walk over 911 tt's and vipers...
i'm waitin for the 65 amg to come out, i think its gonna walk over 911 tt's and vipers...
11-04-2003, 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by darrinb
this shows that its not always the faster car than wins, yes the amg is a beast, but a 03 cobra would those mods should walk away from it WITH THE RIGHT DRIVER, its a mllion times easier to launch that benz than the ford
i'm waitin for the 65 amg to come out, i think its gonna walk over 911 tt's and vipers...
this shows that its not always the faster car than wins, yes the amg is a beast, but a 03 cobra would those mods should walk away from it WITH THE RIGHT DRIVER, its a mllion times easier to launch that benz than the ford
i'm waitin for the 65 amg to come out, i think its gonna walk over 911 tt's and vipers...
who says it's a faster car??? If i'm not mistaken both cars are running 11/12's??
11-04-2003, 10:53 PM
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a stock e55 runs 12.4 at BEST
a stock 03 cobra prolly 12.6, i think all thise mods put the stang in the 11's well driven,
c mon zap, we all know the mustang is a faster car, its just harder to drive
ask pull t or jtkz13, they'll tell u exactly what that stang should be running w/ those mods
a stock 03 cobra prolly 12.6, i think all thise mods put the stang in the 11's well driven,
c mon zap, we all know the mustang is a faster car, its just harder to drive
ask pull t or jtkz13, they'll tell u exactly what that stang should be running w/ those mods
11-04-2003, 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by darrinb
a stock e55 runs 12.4 at BEST
a stock 03 cobra prolly 12.6, i think all thise mods put the stang in the 11's well driven,
c mon zap, we all know the mustang is a faster car, its just harder to drive
ask pull t or jtkz13, they'll tell u exactly what that stang should be running w/ those mods
a stock e55 runs 12.4 at BEST
a stock 03 cobra prolly 12.6, i think all thise mods put the stang in the 11's well driven,
c mon zap, we all know the mustang is a faster car, its just harder to drive
ask pull t or jtkz13, they'll tell u exactly what that stang should be running w/ those mods
Note: Not saying stangs suck, just the $80K Benz ownz.
11-05-2003, 04:40 AM
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wish the Stang had better rubber...sounded like he was smokin halfway down just searching for a gear in the 1st one 
2nd one was MUCH better, altho still tough to get a hookup...Benz got good launches both times...if the Stang got an even better launch than in the 2nd vid, i'd love to see how close it would be
great vid overall...both cars are hella fast
2nd one was MUCH better, altho still tough to get a hookup...Benz got good launches both times...if the Stang got an even better launch than in the 2nd vid, i'd love to see how close it would be
great vid overall...both cars are hella fast
11-05-2003, 05:46 AM
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The E55 is a friggin race car! Period!
11-05-2003, 06:04 AM
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i'm just as suprised as you. For that much weight to get moving so quickly....especially against the cobra. Perhaps the driver of the cobra isn't the best? I'm sure it's not easy launching a car with all that power and the notoriously heavy clutched fords.
11-05-2003, 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by Ray Khan
that and the benz is EASY to drive....electronics help you get optimized throttle position, load and minimized wheel spin at the launch. A good driver in the stang should win that race.
that and the benz is EASY to drive....electronics help you get optimized throttle position, load and minimized wheel spin at the launch. A good driver in the stang should win that race.
lol we are assuming abit much no?
1- AT are EASIER to launch than MT but it's not a brainless activity. It's not just stomp-n-go....ask anybody who goes to the track with a AT car *cough* majority of this board *cough*
2- Driver's first launch sucked but the second one was pretty good.....still lost by a good amount.
11-05-2003, 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by darrinb
a stock e55 runs 12.4 at BEST
a stock 03 cobra prolly 12.6, i think all thise mods put the stang in the 11's well driven,
c mon zap, we all know the mustang is a faster car, its just harder to drive
ask pull t or jtkz13, they'll tell u exactly what that stang should be running w/ those mods
a stock e55 runs 12.4 at BEST
a stock 03 cobra prolly 12.6, i think all thise mods put the stang in the 11's well driven,
c mon zap, we all know the mustang is a faster car, its just harder to drive
ask pull t or jtkz13, they'll tell u exactly what that stang should be running w/ those mods
show me a stock cobra running 12.6. Best i've seen was a 12.8-12.9
btw, that cobra has some major traction issues, that's what lead to the AMG taking off so much quicker.
11-05-2003, 06:54 AM
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Originally posted by CLS2001_97124
DAmn...
E55 is the Supercharge V8 right? Don't they also make a supercharged v12???
I wonder how fast is that beast??
DAmn...
E55 is the Supercharge V8 right? Don't they also make a supercharged v12???
I wonder how fast is that beast??
TT v12. The S600 has seen very low 12's stock, high 11's w/ better tires. The new 65 motors are going to be insane though 700+ hp and lb ft
11-05-2003, 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Black CL-S 4-Life
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11-05-2003, 07:31 AM
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I'm going to post this which someone posted on another forum because it sums it up well:
The E55 claims to have 473hp. However, it is the exact same engine as the SL55 which claims to have 493hp. Mercedes probably underrated the engine. I'm pretty sure the tires on the AMG have more grip than the stock ones.
The Cobra has 390 HP from the factory. With the exhaust, chip and pully the Cobra should be pushing 460wrhp or about 500 some at the crank. I think the Cobra has more grippier tires than the AMG.
Weight wise I think they are the E55 is about 4087 lbs while the Cobra is 3665 lbs.
Factory numbers claim that they both have a 0-60 time of 4.5
I personally think that the driver of the Cobra just could not get enough traction or just didn't know how to launch is car properly. The E55 was an automatic and should have a near perfect launch each time. So this race probably came down to the Cobra driver's skill.
The Cobra has 390 HP from the factory. With the exhaust, chip and pully the Cobra should be pushing 460wrhp or about 500 some at the crank. I think the Cobra has more grippier tires than the AMG.
Weight wise I think they are the E55 is about 4087 lbs while the Cobra is 3665 lbs.
Factory numbers claim that they both have a 0-60 time of 4.5
I personally think that the driver of the Cobra just could not get enough traction or just didn't know how to launch is car properly. The E55 was an automatic and should have a near perfect launch each time. So this race probably came down to the Cobra driver's skill.
11-05-2003, 08:38 AM
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1- AT are EASIER to launch than MT but it's not a brainless activity. It's not just stomp-n-go....ask anybody who goes to the track with a AT car *cough* majority of this board *cough*
RWD, Drag radials and advanced MB electronics all help. My friend has an Auto Z, and although the Z has more torque than a CLS, it basically has little to no wheelspin off the line due to RWD and great weight distribution
11-05-2003, 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by CLpower
TT v12. The S600 has seen very low 12's stock, high 11's w/ better tires. The new 65 motors are going to be insane though 700+ hp and lb ft
TT v12. The S600 has seen very low 12's stock, high 11's w/ better tires. The new 65 motors are going to be insane though 700+ hp and lb ft
11-05-2003, 01:00 PM
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Originally posted by Zapata
lol we are assuming abit much no?
1- AT are EASIER to launch than MT but it's not a brainless activity. It's not just stomp-n-go....ask anybody who goes to the track with a AT car *cough* majority of this board *cough*
2- Driver's first launch sucked but the second one was pretty good.....still lost by a good amount.
lol we are assuming abit much no?
1- AT are EASIER to launch than MT but it's not a brainless activity. It's not just stomp-n-go....ask anybody who goes to the track with a AT car *cough* majority of this board *cough*
2- Driver's first launch sucked but the second one was pretty good.....still lost by a good amount.
11-05-2003, 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by Maximized
To what extent, Im curious. The guy needs to learn how to drive that car from the looks of the video.
To what extent, Im curious. The guy needs to learn how to drive that car from the looks of the video.