PerFecto

Alright, At 260HP and about 310 lbs of torque (stock) I’ve got to respect ‘em , but with that size engine, Ford should have pushed double the HP (I know any import with that size engine would have). Now to the point … with my first generation 3.0 CL I cant seem to beat ‘em off the line … I can thank my 4 speed auto for that. Can I get some pointers or something on how to beat these pen*s envy muscle heads …. Oh yeah, I HATE MUSTANGS!!

Pull_T

So what exactly is your point here?

HP per Liter(dyno numbers only, no 20+% drivtrain loss grossup BS):

CLS (Stock) 200 hp/3.2 L = 62.5
GT (Stock) 230 hp/4.6 L = 50.0

Sure the CLS has a better hp per liter number, but you expect the Mustang to have DOUBLE its output, 460 to the wheels??? If there were an easy way to calculate average horsepower through the RPM band on a per liter basis, I would imagine the numbers would be much closer than on the peak-only basis.

Go ahead and start your list of imports that put out 100 hp/L at that displacement (or any displacement for that matter).

Pointers? Dunno...watch what you type because you never know who'll read it and respond?

4thGSi

You have to put Vtec on a mustang to make double the horses...

moomaster_99

Are those the new 2002/3s? I thought their torque was at 280....otherwise...I might be have to worry about them now.

dcsquirm88

What exactly does this have to do with a racing story?

If you want to hang with the muscle cars get a nitrous kit.

cleeean cl-s

Mustangs ARE pretty gay..i agree

Nicky Pass

I love mustangs.......35K for a 03', 390 hp stang is well worth the $.

CLS16

Stangs aren't my style, but they're definitely fast!! Especially the new 03 Cobra with a SC....definitely worth the money for the amount of power you're getting.

digitalgm

I dont get it .... whats your problem with Stangs?

AdamR

Black_CL-S

I do not get this !!!
I really don't..... what is all these people with ford vehicles doing on an Acura forum????
I could understand that people that buy Ford is because they cannot buy a real vehicle, and they go for the cheap power.
Who in this Acura forum cares about a Ford Mustang or a Chevrolet Z28???? Should we care about F-150,F250,F350 too???

Anyways, I hope you guys keep on posting interesting stuff instead of No SENSE ford/chevy crap.

Black CL-S 4-Life

Take it easy newbie. Just because you don't drive a CL-S doesn't mean you can't post on this forum. Some of our best members don't drive a CL-S.

Black_CL-S

Hahahahahahah
That is pretty funny man.
First of all, it was just a comment. This is an Acura Forum right ?
So I guess you would believe that people here would write stuff about Acura right? Or do we have to start passing out recipes too?
Are you gonna go to a country club sign in pay your dues and then go next day and pretend that you are gonna play football???
Newbie??? I guess I would have my secretary posting alot of entries.....

Pull_T

Calm down n00bie...listen to your fellow H-town Black CL-S driver, Black CL-S 4-Life...

(Must admit, when I first was reading the thread I was confused as hell...I was thinking "Why the hell is Black CL-S 4-Life (whom I've met and thought was a pretty cool dude) dogging me? )

Black CL-S 4-Life

Yeah, I thought I let him know that we do have cool non CL owners on the forum.

WiLd~CL~TYPS-@SS

I dont have any problems with the car..but sometime the punk ass mustang drivers are annoying..thats all

ItalianStallion

agreed. realize the car isn't braggin and being annoyin and shit, its the driver that you hate.

AC_RENAMED

Ok, you have a 3.0 CLS, what can you do to beat these new Mustangs? Absolutely nothing that I know of that's in the market for you. I mean sure wiht about $20K maybe.

Yes this is an Acura forum, your point is?

"people buy Fords because they can't afford anything else?" are you retarded?

Don't we all buy our cars cuz we can't afford the next level car we really wanted?

And yes, you are a newbie on this forum with your whopping 10 posts!

Pull_T

Black_CL-S

hahahaha the newbie retarded is back.
Yeah man I am sorry ... i am just retarded.
Sorry for all the incovenience. Actually, I am gonna trade in my CLS for a Ford today ... I guess I would go for a Focus
I am gonna try to trade in my CLS ... even though I kind a doubt that I could trade in an Acura for a well made Ford.

Take care fellows
"Bye bye Now" (The score movie) since i am lil' retarded ...

Pull_T

Pretty much sums it up, troll...

AC_RENAMED

Geez, you're a big man owning a CLS and calling a Ford a POS.

Bye.

What's wrong with a Focus? What? Not good enough cuz you own a punk ass played out E36 M3?

flipwhip

haha, i like my CLS better, but GT mustangs are fun to drive. the torque is good times!!! i think they are good cars, and they will blow a CLS outta of the water. i have beat a couple GTs....but that was because the driver must have sucked with the clutch

Speedy3.2CL-S

I took a GT 2001 CONV STANG this past weekend on the highway, it was a 5spd. We ran from 50-110 when I let off due to 4th gear! hehehe. Anyways I only got 1/2 a car on him each run. It was 4 runs total.

PerFecto

CLS (Stock) 200 hp/3.2 L = 62.5
GT (Stock) 230 hp/4.6 L = 50.0

What is all that about ... never heard of a 3.0 CL-S ... and a 3.2 CL-S has 260HP not 200! ... you make it sound like you know what your talking about but really you're all talk ... cant even get the basic stuff right

Pull_T

Nicky Pass

Mustangs are the easiest cars to make fast.......CHEAP.

PerFecto

it's not like I was talking bad about your car or anything ... I believe cobra was never mentioned ... instead of trying to defend something that was never really put down, go to a crappy ford forum and talk about fords and not come to an Acura forum and waste our time with your ridiculous posts … just because you have a fast car doesn’t give you the right to say whatever the hell you want … I’ve seen so many cars out there (imports) who would stuff those tails pipes up your a$$ and rip you a new one


Acura


Ford
:thumbsdn:

Pull_T

Pull_T

If you'd bother to quote me you'd see my numbers are NOT off...I'm talking Hosepwer to the wheels.

In the performance world there are tools known a dynos that measure actual horsepower and torque of a vehicle. Post a question in Car Talk and other enthusiasts such as myself will explain it to you.

If I am off as far as what a stock CLS dynos, please someone correct me, I can't be WAY (more than 10 or so) I wouldn't think. (respected board members, please chime in).

And yes, I have heard of the 3.0 CL, I chose the CLS in my comparison b/c it worked more toward your favor and wanted to give your angle a chance.

I do know what I am talking about, especially when it comes to Mustangs. I might not know everything about Acuras/Imports, nut as an enthusiast I frequent this and other sites in order to learn more. I try not to step on toes here, but the Racing Stories Forum is a bit lighter mood and I avail myself of the opportunity for freindly smack talk...no harm no foul. More seasoned members realize this.

Try reading closer next time before calling me out as stupid, Noob...

Pull_T

First of all, my car's not that fast...plenty of imports that can and have beaten me, I have no problem with that...I love seeing/driving/reading about fast imports...

My posts are not ridiculous, many I would hope are imformative and insightful for fellow enthusiasts.

Pull_T

/crickets chirping

Pull_T

flipwhip

agreed...*yawn*

Pull_T

Bueller?

flipwhip

Ferris?

Blazin TL

dayem, is this fued over? i can see that blk CLs is just backin up family (cars i mean) but some people are aight like Pull_T, he doesn't really BS, n i've seen AC post a lot without BSin, think he drives a 540 if i remember correctly, n yea the new stangs are ugly cept the saleen, n cobra... i'd prefer the model before the current one now...hell if i had a choice i'd go with a Camaro SS, or a vette but that's not in the same price range...

Blazin TL

n blk cls, welcome to the board...dang have yall noticed i got 44 posts, n i don't really visit this board, i'm usually at the TL.com board...

DaXtReMeP!MP

i actually happen to like mustangs. they r one of da only american cars dat i like. i think when pull_t said 200 hp, he meant to da wheel not da crank. so he's correct. a mustang gt or 5.0 will beat a cl-s off da line mainly cuz its rear-wheel. try racing one on da freeway, it'll b a different story. no mustang 4.6 or 5.0 has even come close to me on da freeway. i thank da v-tec for dat, it does wonders! but if u talking bout a cobra, they' r above da cl-s' league. mad respect to cobras and saleens!

oonowindoo

_______________
mustang- $420 shipping
let me know

Pull_T

I objected b/c of this:

I don't get bent out of shape if someone rags on "Rustangs" or anything. If they do, I might jump in with some smack talk back, but it's all in good fun.

Just please, don't call me an idiot if you can't understand the concept of dyno numbers.

1SICKLEX

Funny, I think the original CL was also designed and built in America so your car is almost as Ford as a Ford. Know the facts before stating WHACK.

MineralGrey

Most of this boils down to envy... If you bought the CL because you liked its style and relatively good performance, then there shouldn't be any of this talk about Mustangs. If you bought the CL in the hopes of smoking muscle cars, then I understand where all this hate comes from. I see it on every sporty car forum I go to... Mustangs will disrespect Camaro owners because they get beat by them, Civic owners rag on everything else cause they get beat by everything else, etc.

If you notice, the more seasoned folks appreciate their cars for what they are and not what they beat and cannot beat.

I have a 110HP Celica as a daily driver and I love that car for its handling and style. I love my Mustang for its torque and mean looks. I love my buddy's CL-S because it's an Auto and offers performance equal of that of my old 5.0L Mustang AND it pampers my behind like nothing else.

If people continue this ranting and raving on forums, they eventually take these feelings to the road and it often manifests itself into road rage... that's rediculous.

Learn to love your car for what it is and be a little more aware of the fact that it doesn't matter what you drive, there's always someone out there that can and will blow the doors off your car.

I didn't buy my Mustang to smoke CL's and TL's or Camaro SS's. I bought it cause it was very affordable $23K and offers 302lbs./ft. of torque AND it was time to give up the ole' 5.0L. Contrary to popular belief, Mustangs are indeed reliable and easily go 150K miles before anything has to be done to the engine - and this is with constant throttle mashings and clutch rammings.

Remember, for every stupid Mustang driver out there I can find you an equally stupid CL-S driver on the road. Granted, I don't find as many CL-S idiots out there, but that's because they're not as prevalant as a Mustang. It's not the car folks, it's the driver and the attitude he/she carries while driving.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the new GT's have a much broader torque curve than a CL-S and it's why they're so hard to beat even though they make the same peak horsepower. Mustangs are very easy to launch contrary to what others may think, or hear. No need to rev the car out of the whole if you're on radials... engage the clutch and ram the gas from idle.

On the freeway, I haven't seen a CL-S keep up with me yet and I've been as high as an indicated 150-mph in that vehicle. However, miss a shift, and the CL-S is all over a Mustang's ass - I learned this against a stock 5.0L when I missed 3rd.

I've also learned that driving a 4.6L Mustang is much different from a 5.0L and people nevr quite learn when they switch from one to the other and that's why they get beat by Civic's, lol.

There's my rant as a newbie... why am I hear? My buddy has a CL-S and suggested I browse the sight... drive safe everyone!