acuradan69

http://198.63.2.33/index.php?ITEMID=...ellerID=118296

the real deal? or a scam?

EricL

Can't tell for sure... however, I have serious doubts...

From the "blurb" it doesn't have any additional IR laser diode mounts near the licence plate. The better ones kick a lot of IR jamming from the area around the plate/bumper.

A "real" radar and/or lidar jammer is illegal in CA. The ones that I've seen advertised as "legal everywhere" got that designation due to their complete inability to do anything...

The Blinder Laser Jammer does work and is illegal in California:

http://blinderusa.com/blinder.htm


IMO, I'd ask a few more questions here and elsewhere...

Bill Faure

My brother (the cop) just completed training on the latest speed weapon in Florida. He told me the latest gun frequency hops. In other words if you try to jam it on one frequency it hops to another until the jamming stops. Once it stops it returns to its normal operating frequency. Unless the detector/jammer unit above frequency hops it has already been one up-ed!

Nashua_Night_Hawk

read this, maybe my black CLS is stealth too (I do have a front plate though)

EricL

(OLD)
"Frequency Hopping: Used by newer Ka band radars, this is basically just a "cycling" of the frequencies broadcast. Instead of broadcasting a single continuous frequency, it broadcasts five different frequencies. First one, then the next, and so on. It does this 5 cycle broadcast in about one second. It allows for accurate reading, much like normal continuous mode, since each frequency returns a signal and is read, giving a continually updated speed reading. But, like pulsed, any one signal frequency is off more than on. So, when a radar detector picks up the intermittent signal, it filters it out as a "false" signal since it is not continuous enough to be a signal radar signal. And thus, radar detectors do not pick up the radar unit, but it easily reads the speed of the vehicles....

This reminds me of spy vs. spy or current electronic warfare (ECM).

A parallel can be draw (to a more modest extent [less $$$ for commericial spy-vs-spy]) with our SIGINT planes picking up and "spoofing" enemy radars to get their frequencies, etc and then sending the info onward to the reprogrammable ECM pods that are carried by US warplanes...

The K, KA, and X band are all "limited" in range and there's nothing to stop a manufacturer of radar detectors to make the next move...


Here is a list of some goodies used by USAF:

"Tactical Electronic Warfare System (TEWS):
(EC-12A)

Loral AN/ALR-28 Radar Warning Receiver (RWR)
Phillips AN/AIR-19 Infra-red Warning Receiver (IRWR)
Grumman AN/QRJ-11 Infra-red Jammer
General Electric AN/ALQ-274(V) bandwidth-tunable, frequency-agile active radar jammer


And the jammer (bolded) goes over a wide range...

It never ends....So, give it some time and

References:

http://www.geocities.com/itm4usg/countermeasures.html
http://www.goldcrows.org/ewtutor2.htm


RE: Detection -- http://www.ingram-tech.com/s_atr.htm#Stalker

I think your police buddy is talking about the Stalker ATR and I believe the V1 and others with DSP and full-band KA will catch it depending on circumstances...

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

The price is only $149??? The odds are very high... like 99.9999% that it's a scam.

The Blinder that Eric mentioned is one of the only one I've heard of that works... and that is around $280 and only jams laser. The other one that is pretty good for laser is the K40 which is around $250. Nothing else seems to work.... and there are tests proving so

The one item that supposedly works for radar (only) is the Scorpion which is around $600. This is an updated model of one that I saw tested... so I do not now how well this one performs....

JokerABC

Is that part about a black car with no front license plate true? kinda too good to be true.

juniorbean

iTrader: (5)

Pretty much... lasers bounce off of a reflective surface to obtain the speed info. If you have a dark car and no plate... it makes it tough for them to find a target on your car. They can always use the headlights though.. but i'm not sure how affective that is....

Juker008

So what Lazer/Radar detector do u guys recomend?


Juker008

Scrib

V1!!!

http://www.valentine1.com

JokerABC

I recommend the Escort 8500.

2001CL

do you have to have your front license plate? Anyone know if it is illegal to take it off in florida?

paper1122

Ummm, there is no front plate in FL, therefore it is not illegal take it off since you never had it, unless you have out of state plates then you have to abide by the laws of your state.

Chaptorial

Best way to jam or disrupt radar/laser is to fill your trunk up with little rolled up balls of aluminum foil. If you can see a cop targeting you, pull the trunk release and you got instant chaff.

Although you may get pulled over for littering.

BLK CLS

How about a remote control plane with GPS tracking, with built in Radar and Laser Detector, and it shows you the bogies on your navigation..

Anyone wanna make it?

Juker008

Front license plates are not required in Fla.


Juker008

Juker008

I used to have strips of tin-foil taped to the bumper and trunk of my car, but later took it off, people said that it was too .


Juker008

Neech

You're kidding, right?

2001CL

If i knew how i would, definely would buy one though. Personally i was thinking of the day when all cops would be able to see eachother with gps trackers via navi screen. Then steel their technology and use it against them.


Anyone know if Radar/Lasser Jammers are illegal in Florida?

EricL

Specifically, no...

However, the radar jammer issue is “fuzzy”…

Even if a particular state doesn't have a "specific" ordinance, you might want to see if there are any "Interfering with police operation" statutes (or similar laws).

AS for the LIDAR jammer, just hide it well (regardless of the law). And, make sure you have a button to turn the sucker off in a giant hurry. The police are not idiots and if they see all error codes while they maintain a "bead" on you, you could end up attracting a lot of "heat" (this presumes that you are alone and maintain continuous jamming).

Quote from one of the LIDAR/RADAR vendor sites:

"The following states ban the use of radar and laser jammers: MN, OK, CA, NB, VA...."

I didn't see FL in there, but you can always call one of the vendors to make sure...


RE: Alternative to drone: Check up on Stealth techniques: http://www.aeronautics.ru/f117a.htm

"RAM

The basic principle behind RAM coating is this: the coating contains carbonyl iron ferrite (special paint using this material is known as "iron ball" paint). When a radar wave encounters this coating, it creates a magnetic field within the metallic elements of the coating. The field has alternating polarity and dissipates the energy of a radar signal. A significant portion of radar energy is converted into heat. Such RAM coatings can be manufactured in the form of neoprene-like tiles, with application of various ferric compounds in the synthetic polymer matrix. Early versions of the F-117A employed metal-backed RAM tiles. The tiles were cut to shape and bonded directly to the aircraft's metal structure. Gaps between the tiles were filled with RAM paint. Some of the gaps between the tiles were sealed temporarily only for the duration of the mission. Current models of the F-117A are using RAM paint applied directly to the aircraft's body. The paint is applied employing robotics because the solvent used in the process is highly toxic.

Interesting incidents were observed by F-117A maintenance crews during the Gulf War. Here is a short description from At the Controls: F-117A Stealth Fighter, by Jon Lake: "The effectiveness of F-117A's RAM skin was demonstrated in an unusual manner during the Gulf War, when groundcrews started finding dead bats around the tails of hangared aircraft. The unfortunate creatures had clearly flown "full tilt" into the Black Jet's tailfins, which their high frequency 'sonar' had been unable to detect."

The story of "dead bats" in fact has nothing to do with the F-117A's "stealthy" properties. Bats use ultrasonic signals for echolocation: these are mechanical compression waves not electromagnetic waves, as in case with radars, and have certainly nothing to do with the radar absorbent paint or any geometrical properties of the F-117A. The ultrasonic signals emitted by bats are narrow and highly directional and will reflect from most surfaces, RAM or no RAM. To explain the "dead bats" phenomenon we only need to remember that the F-117As use highly toxic paint and that the aircraft were stored in hot hangars with restricted ventilation. If the maintenance crews have spent as much time in these hangars as bats did, the bodies of bats would not have been the only dead bodies found around F-117As.

Internal Radar-Absorbent Construction

Below the F-117A's skin one would find a special radar-absorbent structure, known as re-entrant triangles. The geometry of this structure "traps" the electromagnetic energy and gradually dissipates it by bouncing it off internal faces. Such radar-absorbent structure in the US was first used on SR-71...."



CL Type-117S

kensteele

It would be just like the military and their encryption and using secure channels. You would never be able to break their security; it would take big bucks to do so. And if you eventually did, it would be a crime/illegal just like mobile scanners are today when used in conjunction with breaking the law.

pianoman41

Real radar jammers are illegal in all 50 states. The FCC licenses radar devices and unless you have an FCC license for yours, you're in violation of the FCC regs. That's a federal violation and the fines are big $$$$ (just ask Howard Stern about FCC fines).

Now lidar jammers are not regulated by any government body since no government body regulates the transmission of light waves. In most states, lidar jammers *are legal*. The only way a lidar jammer is illegal is if the state has a law specifically prohibiting the use or possession of a device designed to interfere or fool a law enforcement speed measuring device. And not many states do (I know VA and CA definitely do--not sure about the others).

Shawn S

That’s a FREAKING GREAT idea, but I think you need to improve on the "launch” technique a bit.
You need to find a way to propel them FORWARD out in front of the car, which is likely to be the direction where the cop is.

Here’s an idea for a LASER JAMMER.
Mount four or five center brake lights from a Chevy Trailblazer across the top of the windshield.
They play havoc with the V1 so maybe they “blind” police LIDAR as well.

Shawn S

EricL

RE: Federal regs: IMO, the least of anyone’s problems. If it was that bad, all of the people running business and clone computers in their homes and only certified for "CLASS A" (office) use would be busted by Feds ("...Ok, buddy we're taking that server and sending you to a “SuperMax” facility for RF offenders...") I can think of about 20 residents who's computer's look like wideband jammers that would be in "violation"...

RE: Interference with police operations. Depending on the "local" and situation, I don't know that a local "reg" book will guaranty "immunity" from impound, lock-down, or other "inconvenient hassles"... as there is a fine line between interference and obstruction of justice...

Feel free to disagree... I just don't want people to think that turning their car into EF-111 Raven is just a matter of $$$...

2001CL

Juker008

Naaaa, me I just have a couple of stainless steel frying pans tied to my front bumper and grill.


Juker008

Chaptorial

Thats a great idea too, however i may just take the ticket instead of having those ugly Blazer lights on my car.