OK im just saying what i think so i dont want to get bitch-slapped. ok.. do you think that Honda knows they have a reputation of haveing great realiblity that now they can make cars in the usa? I mean no one knows if honda will still be very realible since they started making cars in the US. Only reason i say this is because ever since the recent new models from honda/Acura that are made in the usa have had a few problems with them. I just noticed that on the TLS forum that they are holding cars at the factory...till they made a fix?
I know that with my dads 1999 RL its soild made and it wasnt made in the US. But then i test drove the TL-S and it felt shaky. Felt as if the parts where just dangling there. Oh well , so whats your views on this?

 

i agree, this is my 5th acura. my 99 3.0 Cl never had rattles like my DAMN SUNROOF WHICH I HAVE TO GET FIXED!!!!!! driving me crazy, its just getting worse. AH!!!! i hate American cars. You notice the price of Jags dropping, could it have something to do with Ford buying them and building them, i think so. Even jag has become crappy.

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I totally agree. I am only going to buy made in Japan, FULLY assembled in Japan cars from now on. I am really pissed off at the shoddy work American workers do.

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You know, I thought the very same thing prior to purchasing the TL-S. I was ready to buy an ES300, and then I heard of the TL-S coming onto the market -- w/ the new engine, there was NO contest -- TL-S had my heart. When I drove it home, it was fairly evident over the next few days that Acura's quality is not nearly the same as Lexus in terms of "fit and finish," .. but the reliability is still there, and always shall be (barring any unforseen stupid Acura mergers w/ GM or something). Toyota produces their Camrys in Marysville, OH, I believe, and those cars suffer from the same seemingly "shakiness" and "creaks and squeaks" some of the Acuras suffer from. However, I'm very pleased w/ my TL-S -- tight as a drum. Our '99 E320 was produced in Germany (Struttengart??) and it squeeks and creaks more than our old '94 ES300 w/ over 100K miles on it! My woman's Nissan Maxima -- '97 w/ 35K miles on it (auto) suffers from the same thing -- creaks and squeaks. Whattya gunna do? Every car manufacturer is BOUND to produce a batch of cars that'll do this, but hell, if the reliability and longevity is there -- i don't care about the occassional rattle.

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Well my brother has a 97 maxima and his wife has a lexus rx300... they never have problems or even rattles, and the rx300 has 60,000 miles on it! BUT i have a sebring convertible and it sucks. I have 44,000 miles on it and it barly starts anymore.Thank god its on a lease which is done in 3 weeks.Anyways I think even if the parts are made in japan and put together in america it wont be the same. The parts can be quailty, but what it quality without the fit and finish, those parts will just not get the most out of them.

 

Eventhough this is my first car that isn't from GM, I've had friends who have been driving Hondas and Toyotas for years. You guys are right about the fit and finish not being up to previous standards. But if you're only going to limit yourself to cars outside of the US, you're not going to have much to chose from. You'll also probably have to pay more since most of the models still being built oversees are the upper level models. Even those cars could have more problems with all of the mergers between automakers.

Just my $.02.

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your right, seems like every car is starting to be built here in the U.S. I guess id rather lease a car thats made in the U.S so i know i still have the warrenty. If i buy a car and keep it, it sure will not be made in the U.S, or at least i say this now.

 

I'll applaud to that.
But there's not much we can do about it.
It's purely a business move: cost cutting
As long as they can sell cars (excludes MDX, RL, NSX) competitively,
they're not gona make drastic changes like
"Let's move our factory operations back to Japan." It's only a fit-and-finish thing, not as high on the list as safety or others.
By the way, I just looked up the MDX and its made in Canada {CLpower do your thing, j/k }

Not much we can do except whine and holar
or buy a Lexus the next time around...
but if that happened, you wouldn't be getting the best bang-for-the-buck would you?






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I disagree-- if anything Jags are getting better than they ever have been before. In the past they were notoriously known as being among the absolutely least reliable cars.


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Correct me if I am wrong please, but werent the 3.0 99 CL's designed and built right here in the US also??

Also Honda as well as many other Car Makers have been building their cars here for years, this is not a recent thing. It makes them much more competetive price wise.

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I think acura's are getting better. Remember the Acura Legend?? Ya, this was a fine car, but did you know that with some of these legends, the engine was falling? I would say that our cars wont be in the shops as much as BMW

 

You got that right JZ.Until Ford bought Jag their quality was the worst.Now they rank very high on J.D.Power surveys.Ford has dumped a ton of money into Jag and it is paying off.

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well i would have to agree it seems like the acuras made in amerca are not as good as those once made in japan. my car rattles from everywhere, the dash the suroof and the back panel rattles and the dealer cant get rid of the rattles. in the past year of owning my CL-S i have had nothing but problems. dont get me wrong i love the car but rattles tranny problems and dealers that are just plain idiotic really leaves a sour taste in my mouth, sadly i cannot take repeat visits every month to the dealer and plan on getting rid of it. i spend too much time in the car to deal with all the rattles and problems. it think acura needs to rethink their production methods.

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Right.

But now their gonna build the X-Type in the same factory the Ford Escort was built

Thats a scary thing when people who are used to building 15k econo boxes start building 40k luxury mobiles.

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I agree. This is only a sign of the times, not completely geographically-related. They have been fixing and refixing cars in Japan, and having factory problems and hold cars in Japan for the longest time, too. You just never heard about it.

Without the Internet and the free flow of information, etc. we just didn't know about it. Consumers one state over from you probably had Japanese Hondas that were consistently having problems. Today, if the truck leaving Ohio had to drive thru a torrential rainstorm, you can find out the VIN range of the cars involved and those cars are "defective" all of a sudden.

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LOL

 

Got news for you "Type S Smokes All". Your 99 cl was made in the same factory that your 01 type s was put together.

Maybe the final point of assembly has something to do with quality, but maybe not. I think the design of the car, and the parts that make it up, are the biggest factors. I don't think that it is the UAW auto workers fault that most domestic cars suck. Domestics suck because of inferior design and engeneering. If you take a bunch of crap and connect it all together with nuts, bolts, and wires, you will still have crap on your hands. Japaneese manufacturers have a history of taking already existing ideas and products, and making vast improvements to them. Cars are no different. Also, the United States is not the only place where crappy cars are made. Don't forget about Korea (Hundai), Germany (Opel), Italy (Alfa Romeo), France (Puegot)

 

i agree totally. both my type s and my fiance's tl needed new tranny's. in the future, i'm only going to buy an acura if it's 100% made in japan. that means my next car is going to be the nsx.

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Umm... just FYI... the transmission was designed/assembled completely in Japan.

It was just bolted on over here.

Any transmission failure would be due to the work of the Japanese.

Sorry... you lose

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what are you doing to your poor cars man?

take off that helmet... could be part of the reason your blowing through that 100% japanese top quality portion of our car

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just putting gas in and driving it like everyone else is. except sometimes i hook the type s up with the nitrous tank from my office.


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i don't think it has that much to do with whether it was built in japan or here. i think it's just the way most of the industrialized world is going...towards making $$$.

i'm not that old, but i remember when people went out of their way to serve you or make things better for the worth of it, whether it be at a car dealership or at a local subway or mcdonalds or something. but now everything sucks...and some things more than others!

but back to the car issue...why should acura worry about the small fit and finish problems? they're selling the best valued premium cars, and people are buying it 'cuz of that. if people didn't buy their cars 'cuz of the quality/fit and finish, then they'd have to do something about it, but people are buying it, so they don't.

same with mb and bmw and jag and lexus...as long as people buy their cars, it can be a pos and they wouldn't care...look at fords...most people i know that buy fords buy it 'cuz of brand loyalty, not 'cuz of the fit and finish or reliability. the same with gm, that's why they can make cars that suck compared to anything else. those people are a dying breed, but that's why domestic quality has increased.

as i brought up on past topics, the is300 is made in japan and has more and more major problems than the cl does.

[This message has been edited by mrdeeno (edited 05-06-2001).]