Nsx - Garbage!
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Nsx - Garbage!
i really like honda as a car brand, but there high end sports cars suck. The Type R's are great, the CL is great for its category, but the S2000, and NSX, FLAT OUT SUCK! A was jus looking at a comptech NSX, S/C, headers, intake, it runs 13.0. THAT SUX. for a car as expensive as it is, plus adding a supercharger it only runs 13.0!? that flat out SUX. The S2000 has ptrouble breaking a mid 14 at the track, even with a near perfect launch, Honda is the company that makes great mid to low class cars, but when they try to build something special, they screw up. no i no i am gonna prolly start a flame war with Honda enthu's, but b4 u say nething, sit back and look at the numbers.
09-20-2003, 01:40 PM
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fawk, are you that stupid?
do you think honda designed either one for the drag strip?
both cars are designed more for handling than straight line performance.
do you think honda designed either one for the drag strip?
both cars are designed more for handling than straight line performance.
09-20-2003, 01:47 PM
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Even a car that is designed for the road course should have good performance on a drag strip. The viper, porsche 911TT, Z06, Ferrari 360 were all designed for road racing, but they still perform quite well on a drag strip. My friend has a 02 NSX and, while its not the fastest car Ive ever been in, it certainly is quick. Faster then a 911 C2 and Regular C5. As far as the 13.0 with the comptech S/C, thats either due to high elevation, unfavorable track conditions or a shitty driver. Ive seen stock NSX's break into the 12's with the right driver and condition. I personally think the NSX is somewhat overpriced, however it is IMO nicer then a 911 C2, Corvette and looks better then the new viper. Would I pay 95k for one, hell no, but there definetly cool cars that are extremely well built.
09-20-2003, 01:50 PM
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Also I always see people posting about well this car or that car wasnt designed for drag racing, I think it was Road and Track who brought a Formula 1 car to a drag strip a year ago and it clicked off a 9 second pass, now nothing in that car was designed for drag racing.
09-20-2003, 01:53 PM
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yo, how old are u?
ever see a stock s2k vs. a suspension mooded cl-s in the twisties? Even a stock 350z will work up a sweat trying 2 stay in pace w/a stock s2k
BTW, there are quite a few s2k owners who have been able to get 13.8-14.0 stock...even some that have gotten 13.6-13.7....w/the sc most are in the h 13.2s-13.4s range...
Answer this, (no disrespect to any cl owners, just trying 2 make a point)....if the Cl is so great for its category, why has it been discontinued?...Why is it that the s2ks are always hard 2 get a discount on while the Cl's can be had 1-1.5k under invoice?
ever see a stock s2k vs. a suspension mooded cl-s in the twisties? Even a stock 350z will work up a sweat trying 2 stay in pace w/a stock s2k
BTW, there are quite a few s2k owners who have been able to get 13.8-14.0 stock...even some that have gotten 13.6-13.7....w/the sc most are in the h 13.2s-13.4s range...
Answer this, (no disrespect to any cl owners, just trying 2 make a point)....if the Cl is so great for its category, why has it been discontinued?...Why is it that the s2ks are always hard 2 get a discount on while the Cl's can be had 1-1.5k under invoice?
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09-20-2003, 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by unsure
Answer this, (no disrespect to any cl owners, just trying 2 make a point)....if the Cl is so great for its category, why has it been discontinued?...Why is it that the s2ks are always hard 2 get a discount on while the Cl's can be had 1-1.5k under invoice?
Answer this, (no disrespect to any cl owners, just trying 2 make a point)....if the Cl is so great for its category, why has it been discontinued?...Why is it that the s2ks are always hard 2 get a discount on while the Cl's can be had 1-1.5k under invoice?
09-20-2003, 01:57 PM
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not even half a page and this thread is a certified POS.
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i agree a new nsx is not worth the 90k tag...thats why if i were ever fortunate 2 own one, i would get it used....IMO, a 95-97ish nsx w/low mileage is worth 40-50K since it will last u a lifetime and run as dependable as any accord...but giving u awesome handling, aluminum construction, a comfortable ride, mid-engine placement etc etc as well
09-20-2003, 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by unsure
Answer this, (no disrespect to any cl owners, just trying 2 make a point)....if the Cl is so great for its category, why has it been discontinued?...Why is it that the s2ks are always hard 2 get a discount on while the Cl's can be had 1-1.5k under invoice?
Answer this, (no disrespect to any cl owners, just trying 2 make a point)....if the Cl is so great for its category, why has it been discontinued?...Why is it that the s2ks are always hard 2 get a discount on while the Cl's can be had 1-1.5k under invoice?
09-20-2003, 02:01 PM
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Originally posted by mattg
answer this, what the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING?
answer this, what the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING?
just got carried away
TRying 2 make the point that if the CL is so great in its category as alliance15 stated, why has its production been stopped?
I guess its hard 2 explain...my bad...didnt mean 4 that 2 come out negatively against CL owners...IMO the CL is a great car but comparing it 2 the s2k is like apples and oranges...however, if i had the chance, i'd prob take the cl over the s2k
09-20-2003, 02:01 PM
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I think the NSX is far to expensive to every become truly popular.
First Acura isn't as well respected as BMW and Mercedes, even Porsche (IMO).
Honda isn't known to make fast cars, just good reliable ones.
An NSX, while a great car, is overshadowed by Corvette Z06s, Dodge SRT-10 Vipers, and the Porsche 911. It may be able to beat them, but most people would prefer the others to an NSX, simply because it isn't nearly as popular.
I know for damn sure that if I were to get 90k I'd get the first Viper SRT-10 I could find on a lot, that, or a used SL500 (2003+).
If the NSX was around 50k, maybe even 60k, you might see a lot more people with them. However, 400HP and AWD would make it a contender IMO.
First Acura isn't as well respected as BMW and Mercedes, even Porsche (IMO).
Honda isn't known to make fast cars, just good reliable ones.
An NSX, while a great car, is overshadowed by Corvette Z06s, Dodge SRT-10 Vipers, and the Porsche 911. It may be able to beat them, but most people would prefer the others to an NSX, simply because it isn't nearly as popular.
I know for damn sure that if I were to get 90k I'd get the first Viper SRT-10 I could find on a lot, that, or a used SL500 (2003+).
If the NSX was around 50k, maybe even 60k, you might see a lot more people with them. However, 400HP and AWD would make it a contender IMO.
09-20-2003, 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by jrod178
Also I always see people posting about well this car or that car wasnt designed for drag racing, I think it was Road and Track who brought a Formula 1 car to a drag strip a year ago and it clicked off a 9 second pass, now nothing in that car was designed for drag racing.
Also I always see people posting about well this car or that car wasnt designed for drag racing, I think it was Road and Track who brought a Formula 1 car to a drag strip a year ago and it clicked off a 9 second pass, now nothing in that car was designed for drag racing.
09-20-2003, 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by J.T.'s 3.2TL
It's a purpose built racecar.....What do you expect? I'm sure alot of thought was put into straight line performance, cornering, and braking.
It's a purpose built racecar.....What do you expect? I'm sure alot of thought was put into straight line performance, cornering, and braking.
The point is, cars that are built with the intention of being road race cars still can perform well on the drag strip, will they ever be 6 second dragsters? No, but there good enough to make the local camaro and mustang guys make up more excuses why their car wasnt running right.
09-20-2003, 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by thealliance15
i really like honda as a car brand, but there high end sports cars suck. The Type R's are great, the CL is great for its category, but the S2000, and NSX, FLAT OUT SUCK! A was jus looking at a comptech NSX, S/C, headers, intake, it runs 13.0. THAT SUX. for a car as expensive as it is, plus adding a supercharger it only runs 13.0!? that flat out SUX. The S2000 has ptrouble breaking a mid 14 at the track, even with a near perfect launch, Honda is the company that makes great mid to low class cars, but when they try to build something special, they screw up. no i no i am gonna prolly start a flame war with Honda enthu's, but b4 u say nething, sit back and look at the numbers.
i really like honda as a car brand, but there high end sports cars suck. The Type R's are great, the CL is great for its category, but the S2000, and NSX, FLAT OUT SUCK! A was jus looking at a comptech NSX, S/C, headers, intake, it runs 13.0. THAT SUX. for a car as expensive as it is, plus adding a supercharger it only runs 13.0!? that flat out SUX. The S2000 has ptrouble breaking a mid 14 at the track, even with a near perfect launch, Honda is the company that makes great mid to low class cars, but when they try to build something special, they screw up. no i no i am gonna prolly start a flame war with Honda enthu's, but b4 u say nething, sit back and look at the numbers.
09-20-2003, 02:32 PM
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Re: Re: Nsx - Garbage!
Originally posted by fahoumh
big talk coming from a guy who's never even driven either car
big talk coming from a guy who's never even driven either car
09-20-2003, 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by jrod178
The point is, cars that are built with the intention of being road race cars still can perform well on the drag strip, will they ever be 6 second dragsters? No, but there good enough to make the local camaro and mustang guys make up more excuses why their car wasnt running right.
The point is, cars that are built with the intention of being road race cars still can perform well on the drag strip, will they ever be 6 second dragsters? No, but there good enough to make the local camaro and mustang guys make up more excuses why their car wasnt running right.
09-20-2003, 02:37 PM
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I concur... what a complete moron...
The NSX is probably one of the finest built cars under 100k. Each is still hand built and fully blueprinted. As far as 1/4 times, 13.0 is pretty damn quick. But I've seen times ranging from 13.2 down to 12.0 for SC'd NSXs. It all depends on driver, car setup and available traction. But the NSX wasn't built for 1/4 mile runs as someone already mentioned, but is purpose built for road-racing which this clown appears to know absolutely nothing about.
So before you spout out your ignorance, do some research and get the facts straight.
The NSX is probably one of the finest built cars under 100k. Each is still hand built and fully blueprinted. As far as 1/4 times, 13.0 is pretty damn quick. But I've seen times ranging from 13.2 down to 12.0 for SC'd NSXs. It all depends on driver, car setup and available traction. But the NSX wasn't built for 1/4 mile runs as someone already mentioned, but is purpose built for road-racing which this clown appears to know absolutely nothing about.
So before you spout out your ignorance, do some research and get the facts straight.
09-20-2003, 02:44 PM
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that's just great. but it doesn't mean the nsx is garbage. that statement is pure idiocy.
09-20-2003, 02:45 PM
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These numbers should back up some statements.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=1
Out of 12 cars tested the NSX finished 6th in TRACK TIME...behind Z06, 360, 550, Z8, and 911 Turbo. Granted the 6 cars ahead of the NSX are unbelievable, the cars behind it were closer than the NSX was to the rest of the leaders.
Im sure there are lots of these so post some more if you know of any.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=1
Out of 12 cars tested the NSX finished 6th in TRACK TIME...behind Z06, 360, 550, Z8, and 911 Turbo. Granted the 6 cars ahead of the NSX are unbelievable, the cars behind it were closer than the NSX was to the rest of the leaders.
Im sure there are lots of these so post some more if you know of any.
09-20-2003, 02:49 PM
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While the NSX's build quality is great, I dont think its the best under 100k. The new Porsche GT3 or a loaded C2, C4 or C4S IMO has superior build quality. While the C2 or C4 probably isnt as fun to drive, anyone who has sat in a well optioned out Porsche has to agree the interior is very well apointed and it's a solid car. However, the NSX is def superior build wise to a Z06, Viper and it is a very cool car to drive, the engine sounds AMAZING stock.
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I think that if a NSX was priced 65-70k new it would be a big hit, even if it kept the same engine etc it wouldnt be as fast as a viper or Z06 but Id easily take one over either of those cars, there would probably be one sitting in my garage instead of the Escalade right now.
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Re: Nsx - Garbage!
Originally posted by thealliance15
i really like honda as a car brand, but there high end sports cars suck. The Type R's are great, the CL is great for its category, but the S2000, and NSX, FLAT OUT SUCK! A was jus looking at a comptech NSX, S/C, headers, intake, it runs 13.0. THAT SUX. for a car as expensive as it is, plus adding a supercharger it only runs 13.0!? that flat out SUX. The S2000 has ptrouble breaking a mid 14 at the track, even with a near perfect launch, Honda is the company that makes great mid to low class cars, but when they try to build something special, they screw up. no i no i am gonna prolly start a flame war with Honda enthu's, but b4 u say nething, sit back and look at the numbers.
i really like honda as a car brand, but there high end sports cars suck. The Type R's are great, the CL is great for its category, but the S2000, and NSX, FLAT OUT SUCK! A was jus looking at a comptech NSX, S/C, headers, intake, it runs 13.0. THAT SUX. for a car as expensive as it is, plus adding a supercharger it only runs 13.0!? that flat out SUX. The S2000 has ptrouble breaking a mid 14 at the track, even with a near perfect launch, Honda is the company that makes great mid to low class cars, but when they try to build something special, they screw up. no i no i am gonna prolly start a flame war with Honda enthu's, but b4 u say nething, sit back and look at the numbers.
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get a clue buddy both are awesome cars...you would be saying this if you had one or if you ever drove one. The NSX has been in the mid to hgh 12s and te S2000 is capable of doing 13.9 stock! And both are great handleing cars and not to mention they are PIMP!
09-20-2003, 02:55 PM
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check this out junior.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=6846
check this out junior.
http://www.caranddriver.com/article....rticle_id=6846
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Originally posted by unsure
Answer this, (no disrespect to any cl owners, just trying 2 make a point)....if the Cl is so great for its category, why has it been discontinued?...Why is it that the s2ks are always hard 2 get a discount on while the Cl's can be had 1-1.5k under invoice?
Answer this, (no disrespect to any cl owners, just trying 2 make a point)....if the Cl is so great for its category, why has it been discontinued?...Why is it that the s2ks are always hard 2 get a discount on while the Cl's can be had 1-1.5k under invoice?
09-20-2003, 03:04 PM
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Originally posted by cob3683
Thats a good one for the S2000. If youre talking to me I didnt bad mouth the s2000, I like it. The NSX and I have problems though. Thats a good article....one of their better ones.
Thats a good one for the S2000. If youre talking to me I didnt bad mouth the s2000, I like it. The NSX and I have problems though. Thats a good article....one of their better ones.
09-20-2003, 03:30 PM
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09-20-2003, 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by Ant7701
http://www.runeb.org/www_docs/Jexoti...erCar_Race.mpg
for the NSX haters...
http://www.runeb.org/www_docs/Jexoti...erCar_Race.mpg
for the NSX haters...
The NSX is not a bad car, I believe you dont get alot of car for what you pay. Just my .02
09-20-2003, 03:57 PM
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Uhh...how the fuck do you know thats heavily modded...you can read japanease???second...thats not the point...it remained in front of the Lambo for 98% of the race...you don't see any vipers or vettes in this video do you???
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09-20-2003, 04:37 PM
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Originally posted by mattg
not even half a page and this thread is a certified POS.
not even half a page and this thread is a certified POS.
I do kinda hear what he is saying though...it goes back to all of the why won't Honda do a V8 rants.
09-20-2003, 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by J.T.'s 3.2TL
Check this out
Check this out
09-20-2003, 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Ant7701
Uhh...how the fuck do you know thats heavily modded...you can read japanease???second...thats not the point...it remained in front of the Lambo for 98% of the race...you don't see any vipers or vettes in this video do you???
Uhh...how the fuck do you know thats heavily modded...you can read japanease???second...thats not the point...it remained in front of the Lambo for 98% of the race...you don't see any vipers or vettes in this video do you???
As for the Vipers and Vettes, how many Asian people drive Vipers or Vettes??? If that sounds racist its not, but its the truth. It would be a small miracle if a Vette or Viper were in the test.
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