No flaming...the CL challenge thread.
08-13-2002, 01:51 AM
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No flaming...the CL challenge thread.
NOTE: Im flaming nobody in this thread.
Few things. With a good driver a stock 99+ GT and a 5-speed can run 13.7 and up. It has been done. Also Jeffs GT on mustangworld ran 13.9 in his stock AUTO vert. I personally own an 01 GT auto and have ran a best of 14.2 stock. These are all facts, and attempting to argue is pointless, because its truth.
I am going to be at E-town on wed..Ill look out for any CL's. I am unaware of how your cars perform. Care to enlighten?
Few things. With a good driver a stock 99+ GT and a 5-speed can run 13.7 and up. It has been done. Also Jeffs GT on mustangworld ran 13.9 in his stock AUTO vert. I personally own an 01 GT auto and have ran a best of 14.2 stock. These are all facts, and attempting to argue is pointless, because its truth.
I am going to be at E-town on wed..Ill look out for any CL's. I am unaware of how your cars perform. Care to enlighten?
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Can the threads be combined?
Maybe we can throw all the GT threads together. Maybe the moderator can make a challenge or "testosterone" forum section?Acura Information More information
08-13-2002, 03:12 AM
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Originally posted by ChopSuey
someone take a digicam and take some pics. Any plans on mods Jersey GT?
someone take a digicam and take some pics. Any plans on mods Jersey GT?
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Originally posted by tw1112
welcome to the boards! Are you tom's friend?
As jersey GT said, no flaming please or this post will be locked as well. Someone go out to the tracks and have some fun!
welcome to the boards! Are you tom's friend?
As jersey GT said, no flaming please or this post will be locked as well. Someone go out to the tracks and have some fun!
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08-13-2002, 04:27 AM
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yea how so? I wish people would stop thinking the acura is unbeatable.
A stock 6-speed should do 14.1-14.4 But then again not many have taken them to the tracks yet.. its mainly based off magazines.
A stock 6-speed should do 14.1-14.4 But then again not many have taken them to the tracks yet.. its mainly based off magazines.
08-13-2002, 08:16 AM
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Well 03_Cobra as far as price vs. speed the mustang will always win. However the price of our cars encompasses many other things than just speed, the luxury amenities, quietness of ride, and reliability. All though we may not be the quickest per dollar we are the nicest hands down. Think of this way your driving a near spots coupe and we are driving a near luxury sports coupe, two different classes. My experience before any mods had a GT beating me on the highway from 60 to 100 (I don't know if he is stock or not). With my current mods though a stock GT can't touch me and I can give any modded GT a good run for the money.
08-13-2002, 08:22 AM
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It's nice that those numbers in the high 13's are possible but we've had CLS board members run mid 14's in a stock auto. Don't give me the best time......give me the average of what people are running.
08-13-2002, 08:24 AM
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I just find it hard to believe that people will compare a 30k dollar car to a 22k dollar car? (According to Kelly Blue Book). That really doesn't make any sense. That would be like me comparing my 34K dollar cobra to a 18K dollar honda accord. Stock for stock, thats not fair. Right? I personally like the CL-s, nice car, I would not want one though, not my type of car.
I tend to look at things like this:
If I bought a GT for 22K, and spent 8 grand on mods, I'd kill any CL-s, and now they are the same price. 30K for stang, 30k for CL-s. (estimating).
I'm in no way trying to flame, i just find this topic to make no sense. Comparing 2 cars that are in 2 completely different classes!
I tend to look at things like this:
If I bought a GT for 22K, and spent 8 grand on mods, I'd kill any CL-s, and now they are the same price. 30K for stang, 30k for CL-s. (estimating).
I'm in no way trying to flame, i just find this topic to make no sense. Comparing 2 cars that are in 2 completely different classes!
08-13-2002, 08:29 AM
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Well the thing is we are only comparing a certain aspect of the car, the speed. If you modded a mustang to look as good on the inside as a CL, be as reliable as a CL, etc. you would end up spending more that 30K. Your cobra vs. accord comparison does not work because of the hp comparisons between the two.
08-13-2002, 08:29 AM
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I couldn't have said this part better. The CL-S has some of the best value for the dollar when you consider the whole car, not just it's speed.
Most of us could have gotten a faster car than the CLS, i.e. WRX, Mustang GT or Cobra, Camero Z28 for roughly the same or less money (cobra coupe is a little more) but we didn't. It's all about what you want out of your car. I was more than willing to sacrifice a little speed for luxury.
Most of us could have gotten a faster car than the CLS, i.e. WRX, Mustang GT or Cobra, Camero Z28 for roughly the same or less money (cobra coupe is a little more) but we didn't. It's all about what you want out of your car. I was more than willing to sacrifice a little speed for luxury.
Originally posted by bl^5
Well 03_Cobra as far as price vs. speed the mustang will always win. However the price of our cars encompasses many other things than just speed, the luxury amenities, quietness of ride, and reliability. All though we may not be the quickest per dollar we are the nicest hands down. Think of this way your driving a near spots coupe and we are driving a near luxury sports coupe, two different classes.
Well 03_Cobra as far as price vs. speed the mustang will always win. However the price of our cars encompasses many other things than just speed, the luxury amenities, quietness of ride, and reliability. All though we may not be the quickest per dollar we are the nicest hands down. Think of this way your driving a near spots coupe and we are driving a near luxury sports coupe, two different classes.
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Originally posted by 03_Cobra
I just find it hard to believe that people will compare a 30k dollar car to a 22k dollar car? (According to Kelly Blue Book). That really doesn't make any sense. That would be like me comparing my 34K dollar cobra to a 18K dollar honda accord. Stock for stock, thats not fair. Right? I personally like the CL-s, nice car, I would not want one though, not my type of car.
I tend to look at things like this:
If I bought a GT for 22K, and spent 8 grand on mods, I'd kill any CL-s, and now they are the same price. 30K for stang, 30k for CL-s. (estimating).
I'm in no way trying to flame, i just find this topic to make no sense. Comparing 2 cars that are in 2 completely different classes!
I just find it hard to believe that people will compare a 30k dollar car to a 22k dollar car? (According to Kelly Blue Book). That really doesn't make any sense. That would be like me comparing my 34K dollar cobra to a 18K dollar honda accord. Stock for stock, thats not fair. Right? I personally like the CL-s, nice car, I would not want one though, not my type of car.
I tend to look at things like this:
If I bought a GT for 22K, and spent 8 grand on mods, I'd kill any CL-s, and now they are the same price. 30K for stang, 30k for CL-s. (estimating).
I'm in no way trying to flame, i just find this topic to make no sense. Comparing 2 cars that are in 2 completely different classes!
I agree 100%!!!!
08-13-2002, 08:37 AM
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if a CL_S wins someone will say ... of course it should...it's a 32K car. If GT wins they someone will talk about how nice it is inside and well rounded it is. Blah blah blah blah
08-13-2002, 08:41 AM
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What is the obsession with the Mustang vs. CL-S debate?? Geez, it started with a simple challenge. This internet racing/debating is rediculous (don't make me post my special olympic picture 
).... just show up at the track and race, or shut up. I know the board has been slow, but it's getting rediculous that we have had 3 threads about the same thing within a week.... Put up or shut up... that simple.
).... just show up at the track and race, or shut up. I know the board has been slow, but it's getting rediculous that we have had 3 threads about the same thing within a week.... Put up or shut up... that simple.
08-13-2002, 08:48 AM
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Still, comparing a luxury car to a muscle car makes no sense.
I know the HP is basically the same, torque is way off, but to campare an 80% engine car to a 40/60 car? (40% power / 60% niceness). You want to compare cars price for price...compare a new cobra to the CL-S. Personally, I love the interior of the cobra, the new white face guages and power everything, higher quality interior overall, etc. The 1000 watt stereo system. So-on and so on. It's not as luxurious as the CL, but pretty close. What does the CL-s have that the cobra does not? Besides navigator? (Curious, I've never sat in a CL-s).
I know what GT's run. I've drove them, raced them, etc. I've seen a Stock GT run a 15.4, then 5 minutes later run a 13.9 with a different driver. That's what racing comes down to, the driver. Most all GT's never hit 13's. Stock any way. So a race between two damn good drivers (one in GT, one in CL) the GT would win. By maybe a second, MAYBE. But between 2 common drivers, who are good, the race would be very close. Neck and neck maybe. A 14.2-14.8 for the GT, and a 14.6-15.2 for the CL. The only CL I ever raced was at the track in Orlando 2 months ago. It was with my 2002 Z28 6-speed, I put up a 13.1, the CL a 15.2. I saw that same car put up a 14.9 20 minutes later.
I know the HP is basically the same, torque is way off, but to campare an 80% engine car to a 40/60 car? (40% power / 60% niceness). You want to compare cars price for price...compare a new cobra to the CL-S. Personally, I love the interior of the cobra, the new white face guages and power everything, higher quality interior overall, etc. The 1000 watt stereo system. So-on and so on. It's not as luxurious as the CL, but pretty close. What does the CL-s have that the cobra does not? Besides navigator? (Curious, I've never sat in a CL-s).
I know what GT's run. I've drove them, raced them, etc. I've seen a Stock GT run a 15.4, then 5 minutes later run a 13.9 with a different driver. That's what racing comes down to, the driver. Most all GT's never hit 13's. Stock any way. So a race between two damn good drivers (one in GT, one in CL) the GT would win. By maybe a second, MAYBE. But between 2 common drivers, who are good, the race would be very close. Neck and neck maybe. A 14.2-14.8 for the GT, and a 14.6-15.2 for the CL. The only CL I ever raced was at the track in Orlando 2 months ago. It was with my 2002 Z28 6-speed, I put up a 13.1, the CL a 15.2. I saw that same car put up a 14.9 20 minutes later.
08-13-2002, 08:55 AM
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What does the CL-s have that the cobra does not?
Why people insist on comparing these two cars perplexes me.
Anyone on this board that bought their CL-s to compare its quarter mile times to a mustang should sell it.
08-13-2002, 09:02 AM
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Originally posted by juniorbean
What is the obsession with the Mustang vs. CL-S debate?? Geez, it started with a simple challenge. This internet racing/debating is rediculous (don't make me post my special olympic picture ).... just show up at the track and race, or shut up. I know the board has been slow, but it's getting rediculous that we have had 3 threads about the same thing within a week.... Put up or shut up... that simple.
What is the obsession with the Mustang vs. CL-S debate?? Geez, it started with a simple challenge. This internet racing/debating is rediculous (don't make me post my special olympic picture
).... just show up at the track and race, or shut up. I know the board has been slow, but it's getting rediculous that we have had 3 threads about the same thing within a week.... Put up or shut up... that simple.
because they have already beat to death the CL-S vs. BMW 330ci topic
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Originally posted by 1genCL
because they have already beat to death the CL-S vs. BMW 330ci topic
because they have already beat to death the CL-S vs. BMW 330ci topic
08-13-2002, 09:15 AM
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Is anyone taking up tom2's offer? I didn't want to keep reading through so may pages of BS. I'd like to see the results between a stock CL-S and stock GT, auto vs. auto and 6-speed vs. 5 speed, and maybe even an auto CL-S vs. a stick stang. Hopefully the results are put up in a new thread b/c this one will probably continue with the BS. I'd have to say that I'd be surprised if the CL wins, the GT has the torque,
08-13-2002, 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by 03_Cobra
How much do CL-S go for?
Price?
I know what they run in the quarter, but how much is the car?
How much do CL-S go for?
Price?
I know what they run in the quarter, but how much is the car?
08-13-2002, 09:49 AM
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I have had the chance to own a few American "muscle cars" (86' IROC, 87' GN, 87' GT 5.0, 90' LX 5.0, 93' GT (vert, with Vortech S/C) so I have a clue of what these cars can do.
Comparing their price of both cars is senseless, unless you're a penny-pinching accountant. I.E. My old 87'GN on the books was valued at $15k Cdn., so is it fair to compare the stickers price of a CL/TL to a Mustang? So does that make my GN any more or less of a car than a CL/Mustang? And I'm sure my modded GN could and would beat a stock or modded CL/Mustang.
All of this started as a simple..."my car is faster than yours" thread, so let's all leave at that. No one cares how much you paid for either cars, or with what options. Have the ppl who want to BRING IT, meet up at the local track and decide car vs. car and may the best driver win.
Comparing their price of both cars is senseless, unless you're a penny-pinching accountant. I.E. My old 87'GN on the books was valued at $15k Cdn., so is it fair to compare the stickers price of a CL/TL to a Mustang? So does that make my GN any more or less of a car than a CL/Mustang? And I'm sure my modded GN could and would beat a stock or modded CL/Mustang.
All of this started as a simple..."my car is faster than yours" thread, so let's all leave at that. No one cares how much you paid for either cars, or with what options. Have the ppl who want to BRING IT, meet up at the local track and decide car vs. car and may the best driver win.
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Originally posted by mcdanjw
Actually, the Cobra comes equipped standard with a penis enlarger that the CL-s doesn't offer.
Why people insist on comparing these two cars perplexes me.
Anyone on this board that bought their CL-s to compare its quarter mile times to a mustang should sell it.
Actually, the Cobra comes equipped standard with a penis enlarger that the CL-s doesn't offer.
Why people insist on comparing these two cars perplexes me.
Anyone on this board that bought their CL-s to compare its quarter mile times to a mustang should sell it.
if i wanted to race mustangs...i would have bought a z28 and ran circles around them:o
08-13-2002, 09:57 AM
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Keith already issued a challenge to mustangs on their forums, but no one has accepted.
Here's a nice quote from the StangNet board though: "I happen to have the heavy (and what you consider slow) Auto Convertible GT, and I have no problem with acuras, since most of them are middle aged, kinda fat, balding guys who wanted a GT but had to get a roomy four door for their offspring. The fact is, an Acura CL is not going to beat a Mustang GT in a race.
I'm sorry if you get to beat Mustang GTs but the sad fact is, most probably aren't even expecting a race out of a four door bland looking sub-luxury car and get jumped and granted, cannot make up the difference.
bringing your argument here is redundant. we tend to think more about RX-7 TT, Supra Turbo, and Mitsubishi VR-4's as import competition"
Just go to the track and race already. Arguing isn't getting us anywhere.
Here's a nice quote from the StangNet board though: "I happen to have the heavy (and what you consider slow) Auto Convertible GT, and I have no problem with acuras, since most of them are middle aged, kinda fat, balding guys who wanted a GT but had to get a roomy four door for their offspring. The fact is, an Acura CL is not going to beat a Mustang GT in a race.
I'm sorry if you get to beat Mustang GTs but the sad fact is, most probably aren't even expecting a race out of a four door bland looking sub-luxury car and get jumped and granted, cannot make up the difference.
bringing your argument here is redundant. we tend to think more about RX-7 TT, Supra Turbo, and Mitsubishi VR-4's as import competition"
Just go to the track and race already. Arguing isn't getting us anywhere.
08-13-2002, 09:59 AM
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A Mustang GT is cheaper than a CL Type S and it is faster........HANDS DOWN! The CL is a nice sport luxury coupe. If you wanted a race car for around $30K........you should have bought a Mustang or Z-28
If you wanted a car that is priced at $30K have decent power with a ton of options a CL is a good choice.......unless you can afford a 330ci. For the money the CL is the best car in its class........a class that the mustang is not in!!!!! Even if a GT and a CL were close in 1/4 mile times.......the owner could put a 3.73 gear, some drag radials, and full exhuast for around $1500 and SMOKE a modded out CL.
Modded CL......14.28
Modded GT......13.28........1 second in the 1/4 mile is 5 to 6 lenghts
If you wanted a car that is priced at $30K have decent power with a ton of options a CL is a good choice.......unless you can afford a 330ci. For the money the CL is the best car in its class........a class that the mustang is not in!!!!! Even if a GT and a CL were close in 1/4 mile times.......the owner could put a 3.73 gear, some drag radials, and full exhuast for around $1500 and SMOKE a modded out CL. Modded CL......14.28
Modded GT......13.28........1 second in the 1/4 mile is 5 to 6 lenghts
08-13-2002, 10:02 AM
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let me say this...i think the reason the GT/cl-S debate conjurs so much talk is...for the very reasons some argue they shouldnt be compared...I'd say most GT owners look over and see an accord...and if you can get him to run you ,he gets the shock of his life, when you either are right there, or pull ahead alittle,or if you were alittle lucky and alittle good ,get the jump and stay out front,its the CLeepeR aspect that i find so appealing...the mustang is americas muscle car and my little 3.2 RICE can hang right there with it...and when im not racing im riding around in a really nice /luxurious car...if you're in a GT people expect fast ....they dont expect what they get from the cl-S modded even stock its quite a little performer.
hey cobra do you get out to the tampa area? im tryin to hook up with any near stock GT's(k&n,tires,x pipe) to run me at sunshine just for fun...and maybe some beers after
hey cobra do you get out to the tampa area? im tryin to hook up with any near stock GT's(k&n,tires,x pipe) to run me at sunshine just for fun...and maybe some beers after
08-13-2002, 10:05 AM
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Who would win....
here's the answer.
Motor trend professional drivers got consecutive 14.1's with the a 2001 GT. Same driver got 14.8's with the CL-S.
Again, it all comes down to driver, and MT drivers are some of the best. I don't care what any of you knowlegless people say, there's the answer! Now the thread can end!
here's the answer.
Motor trend professional drivers got consecutive 14.1's with the a 2001 GT. Same driver got 14.8's with the CL-S.
Again, it all comes down to driver, and MT drivers are some of the best. I don't care what any of you knowlegless people say, there's the answer! Now the thread can end!
08-13-2002, 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Nicky Pass
A Mustang GT is cheaper than a CL Type S and it is faster........HANDS DOWN! The CL is a nice sport luxury coupe. If you wanted a race car for around $30K........you should have bought a Mustang or Z-28 If you wanted a car that is priced at $30K have decent power with a ton of options a CL is a good choice.......unless you can afford a 330ci. For the money the CL is the best car in its class........a class that the mustang is not in!!!!! Even if a GT and a CL were close in 1/4 mile times.......the owner could put a 3.73 gear, some drag radials, and full exhuast for around $1500 and SMOKE a modded out CL.
Modded CL......14.28
Modded GT......13.28........1 second in the 1/4 mile is 5 to 6 lenghts
A Mustang GT is cheaper than a CL Type S and it is faster........HANDS DOWN! The CL is a nice sport luxury coupe. If you wanted a race car for around $30K........you should have bought a Mustang or Z-28
If you wanted a car that is priced at $30K have decent power with a ton of options a CL is a good choice.......unless you can afford a 330ci. For the money the CL is the best car in its class........a class that the mustang is not in!!!!! Even if a GT and a CL were close in 1/4 mile times.......the owner could put a 3.73 gear, some drag radials, and full exhuast for around $1500 and SMOKE a modded out CL. Modded CL......14.28
Modded GT......13.28........1 second in the 1/4 mile is 5 to 6 lenghts
08-13-2002, 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Got Rice?
we tend to think more about RX-7 TT, Supra Turbo, and Mitsubishi VR-4's as import competition"
we tend to think more about RX-7 TT, Supra Turbo, and Mitsubishi VR-4's as import competition"
Hehehehehe stock ones maybe. Otherwise that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Import drivers with tuned Supra Turbos and tuned VR-4s run circles around Mustang GTs with bolt-ons. Not to mention Mustangs are mullet-mobiles and are universally looked down on as hickmobiles (and it certainly holds true - I've never seen as many as I have since I moved to this hick town.) Most import drivers don't even bother racing them since everyone and his inbred brother owns a 'stang on the East Coast.
08-13-2002, 10:16 AM
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cobra...i dont think most belive a stock cl-S(auto) can beat a manual GT.but a modded cl-S vs. a lightly modded GT can be very close i say modded v lightly were talkin headers,intake,tires vs same
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Originally posted by typeR
let me say this...i think the reason the GT/cl-S debate conjurs so much talk is...for the very reasons some argue they shouldnt be compared...I'd say most GT owners look over and see an accord...and if you can get him to run you ,he gets the shock of his life, when you either are right there, or pull ahead alittle,or if you were alittle lucky and alittle good ,get the jump and stay out front,its the CLeepeR aspect that i find so appealing...the mustang is americas muscle car and my little 3.2 RICE can hang right there with it...and when im not racing im riding around in a really nice /luxurious car...if you're in a GT people expect fast ....they dont expect what they get from the cl-S modded even stock its quite a little performer.
hey cobra do you get out to the tampa area? im tryin to hook up with any near stock GT's(k&n,tires,x pipe) to run me at sunshine just for fun...and maybe some beers after
let me say this...i think the reason the GT/cl-S debate conjurs so much talk is...for the very reasons some argue they shouldnt be compared...I'd say most GT owners look over and see an accord...and if you can get him to run you ,he gets the shock of his life, when you either are right there, or pull ahead alittle,or if you were alittle lucky and alittle good ,get the jump and stay out front,its the CLeepeR aspect that i find so appealing...the mustang is americas muscle car and my little 3.2 RICE can hang right there with it...and when im not racing im riding around in a really nice /luxurious car...if you're in a GT people expect fast ....they dont expect what they get from the cl-S modded even stock its quite a little performer.
hey cobra do you get out to the tampa area? im tryin to hook up with any near stock GT's(k&n,tires,x pipe) to run me at sunshine just for fun...and maybe some beers after
Beers after, sounds good!
FACT: There is NO import on the Planet that costs less than 40k that can run with the 34K dollar new Cobra. Now thats bang for the buck!
390 HP stock, thats insane.