RUF87

You mean you need airflow through the intercooler to achieve maximum output??? :P

I thought anyone who knew anything about turbo's knew that.


And you mean I really didn't beat the SC430 that night at the track. I mean that same night I ran a 16.45 :o and there's no way that would beat a SC430.

I spun like crazy on that run and since it was my 1st pass that night I guess all my other passes should have been as bad.

Allmotor, I just don't know what to say. I guess we both just suck. :P

Now get out there and lead the way on a NA motor that will get those of us who believe in to the low 13s.

Ruf

joedokes28

I wasn't going to post in this thread because it has all come down to bullshit but now I can resist.

First, :whocares: Allmotor had a turbo and now he's trying to generate support for an allmotor project. I support you. Knock yourself out. I don't think he has ever had any reason to lie about his successes at the strip.

2nd, Fastvtec, you get mad respect here on this board with your 1st gen. Are you jealous that Allmotor posted a faster time? I don't know enough about drag racing to say whether or not the numbers add up, but I do know that alot can happen and there are alot of variable. I have personally seen a 15.7@119mph out of my buddies mustang.

You guy's both have/had bad ass cars. Stop the bickering!

Mods, this thread should be closed.

allmotor_2000

Well said... but keep in mind who is bickering!

CLpower

ever thought about giving it a rest?

RUF87

aaahhh ??? No!

And I guess you couldn't either I see. :P

Sorry, but you opened the door for this one.

Allmotor, my apologies for getting off the subject here. I'm sorry, but I just have this thing for nay sayers and know-it-alls.

Ruf

CLpower

you like AK obviously need a reading lesson

ferizzo

Mods, you can't lock it now....we have a 48-48 tie! This is as close as it gets!

AK_MOBBER

IN BEFORE DA LOCK!

ghander,
just keep talking you could't make yourself look any stupider...

Water-S

i'd go for normal aspration.
for a couple reasons.
in my option NOS is like cheater hp. because you can build a 12 second Civic with NOS pretty easy but if you build a 12 second Civic with a S/C your gonna be a serious sleeper. because usually if you race in brackets if you'll get thrown up into a harder class if your on the bottle.
SO if you drop on a C/T S/C with a automatic(and no other mods) you'd be able to hang with the stock 6 speed CL-S. with a 6-speed you'll be turning a LOW 14.

the second reason I wouldn't run NOS is cause I don't think without a Forged lower end a stock bottom end will take a 100 or 150 shot(which from the numbers your hopeing to get which is the probably shot your gonna have to do).

CLpower

astro

god damn y'all are a bunch of bitches in here....

chill the eff out.

:fag:

Aquineas

Uh, he posted a timeslip. Why isn't that enough? BTW, go Turbo.

fahoumh

go N/A

AK_MOBBER

Well with natural aspiration motor you will have the ultimate sleeper. At a stop light you wouldn't be able to hear anything but the motor if you went with N/A unlike building a turbo or supercharger system where you can hear turbo whine and supercharger whine(especially supercharger).
Allmotor said he doesn't want to have more than 2 weeks downtime and if you have a slow machine shop or if you run into difficulties, 2 weeks goes by real fast! A naturally aspirated setup will lay the groundwork for any/all future mods including another turbo system so why not do the N/A system then turbo the N/A system??
Are you leaning towards one or the other Allmotor? The poll has been practically tied since around 30 votes now theres over 100!

Due to unnamed posters who hijacked a legitimate thread we haven't discussed much in 9 pages

CLpower

i hear what your saying AK, but w/ a built N/A motor putting out the power he want's you will definately know what is going on. The car at idle will most likely sound like a beast. A turbo would be a better sleeper because you wouldn't be able to hear it unless he builds up boost. Just cruising and sitting at a light the car would sounds bone stock. It's amazing how quite they are, esp. from the exhaust side of things.


But, I agree, go N/A first, then go turbo if you still need more

allmotor_2000

Actually on Honda's.... even a relatively built NA car would idle very smooth... only the exhaust might rumble a bit!

ferizzo

So you are going NA?

CLpower

well yea depending on the cam. But i think you'd be going w/ an aggresive cam. Which from my experience have been loud on b series motors, atleast lumpyish. But you'd have more experience then me.

I also would think a 3.5 liter would be pretty throaty.


If it's quite do it

Juker008

Ok here is my vote from Fla.

With a small problem. When my ballot was casted which was then transported to the collection poll via armored truck, my vote somehow got lost, but then found again, and lost and finially found again, but only half of my vote was found. Funny that only happens with votes but not with money.


Now I faced another problem. I voted for N/A but was confused with this voting system. I voted for Not Associated but because the post was not in Floridian I couldn't read my choices. I feel that my vote was influenced by the fact that N/A seemed easier to read and spell. I demand that my mouse pointer be calibrated and inspected by a licenced mouse technician. And when that is done I demand a revote.


I would like u to know that I am an active user of N/A and support the legialization of N/A. N/A should not be only allowed for medisional use but be free to be uesed by everyone, regardless of medical condition.


So just say YES to N/A and let there be peace on earth.













Juker008

CLpower

haha, nice one juker

allmotor_2000

On VTEC applications, you usually leave the non-vtec cam lobes alone.. or maybe increase lift a bit. It's only when you increase duration significantly, does the cam and hence idle... feel lumpy. You can do anything to the VTEC lobes... it doesn't affect idle. This is how Honda has agressive cam profiles.. and yet pass smog!

CLpower

sweet, i totally know what your saying, just didn't register in my head.

Juker008

Hey man u wanna do a FKin sick project. Convert a 5AT to a 6MT. I really think that there are ALOT of people here that would really want to see something like that happen.

But let me ask u ur opinion on a possible RWD or AWD set up. Others have talked about a RWD conversion and I thought why haven't they been shut down by other members. A RWD conversion for our chassis would be a fabrication nightmare.

Although I believe that a AWD conversion could be possible, MUCH easier than running a drive shaft through our chassis. The way that I see it is by means of electric motors for the back wheels. No drive shaft that needs to be run underneath the chassis, two independent motors, and a cutout through the trunk to allow the motors to hook up to the wheels. To get the motors to work in unison with eachother I can understand, but to get them to work in cornering I think that may pose a problem. But they can comunicate with the yaw sensors in the car then there u go AWD.

But this is only a thought and probably has a shit load of holes in the plan. But wanted to ask ur opinion on that. What do u think and what do u recomend.













Juker008

Juker008

One more project, adding that extra engine mount to the engine for us jealious slush box owners.














Juker008

AK_MOBBER

^^-------------------not feasible Juker008.

That kinda project would probably exceed any reasonable allmotor want to spend on the next project. He has a 6 speed anyway... Neat idea though!

JRock

All-motor n/a 300whp is more in the range of anyone to do with the proper income and still be nice and driveable for daily use. Big deal.

500-600whp turbo would be something to strive for that would really make a bit of a performance name for the CLS. Go for that.