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08-06-2001, 05:17 AM
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My very own killed list !
2001 SI civic I/H/E Vtec controller
1996 base mustang convertable
1997 5spd GT mustang
1996 Ex civic I/e Riced out !!!!
So far but hopefully the list will continue
1996 base mustang convertable
1997 5spd GT mustang
1996 Ex civic I/e Riced out !!!!
So far but hopefully the list will continue
08-06-2001, 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Damaged:
<STRONG>Nice kill on the Stang GT 5-spd. Looks like that guy needs some driving lessons!</STRONG>
<STRONG>Nice kill on the Stang GT 5-spd. Looks like that guy needs some driving lessons!</STRONG>
08-06-2001, 05:02 PM
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Originally posted by Pull_T:
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Not necessarily, the '96-'98 GTs are pretty slow 215 HP ('96-'97) 225 HP ('98), stock. Even with a manual, it would be a tough task to beat a CLS. Looking at 15.0-15.4 typical stock times...</STRONG>
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Not necessarily, the '96-'98 GTs are pretty slow 215 HP ('96-'97) 225 HP ('98), stock. Even with a manual, it would be a tough task to beat a CLS. Looking at 15.0-15.4 typical stock times...</STRONG>
08-06-2001, 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by Damaged:
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Only 215 and 225hp??? I thought they were running 305hp now!</STRONG>
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Only 215 and 225hp??? I thought they were running 305hp now!</STRONG>
Stock HP(crank - advertised)
Pre-'93 GT (5.0 OHV) 205-225 - varies per MAF/Speed Density, Forged/Hypereutectic Pistons (not that many of these are still stock, though)...
93 Cobra (5.0 OHV) 245
94-95 GT (5.0 OHV) 225
94-95 Cobra (5.0 OHV) 245
95 Cobra R (5.8 OHV) 300
96-97 GT (4.6 SOHC) 215
98 GT (4.6 SOHC) 225
96-98 Cobra (4.6 DOHC) 305
99-01 GT (4.6 SOHC) 260
99, 01 Cobra (4.6 DOHC) 320
00 Cobra R (5.4 DOHC) 385
01 Bullit (4.6 SOHC) 270
08-06-2001, 07:46 PM
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i saw a bullit in traffic last week. i couldn't line up w/him though. 
Originally posted by Pull_T:
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Not in 97, those are real dogs (GTs)...Here is a breakdown as well as I can give:
Stock HP(crank - advertised)
Pre-'93 GT (5.0 OHV) 205-225 - varies per MAF/Speed Density, Forged/Hypereutectic Pistons (not that many of these are still stock, though)...
93 Cobra (5.0 OHV) 245
94-95 GT (5.0 OHV) 225
94-95 Cobra (5.0 OHV) 245
95 Cobra R (5.8 OHV) 300
96-97 GT (4.6 SOHC) 215
98 GT (4.6 SOHC) 225
96-98 Cobra (4.6 DOHC) 305
99-01 GT (4.6 SOHC) 260
99, 01 Cobra (4.6 DOHC) 320
00 Cobra R (5.4 DOHC) 385
01 Bullit (4.6 SOHC) 270</STRONG>
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Not in 97, those are real dogs (GTs)...Here is a breakdown as well as I can give:
Stock HP(crank - advertised)
Pre-'93 GT (5.0 OHV) 205-225 - varies per MAF/Speed Density, Forged/Hypereutectic Pistons (not that many of these are still stock, though)...
93 Cobra (5.0 OHV) 245
94-95 GT (5.0 OHV) 225
94-95 Cobra (5.0 OHV) 245
95 Cobra R (5.8 OHV) 300
96-97 GT (4.6 SOHC) 215
98 GT (4.6 SOHC) 225
96-98 Cobra (4.6 DOHC) 305
99-01 GT (4.6 SOHC) 260
99, 01 Cobra (4.6 DOHC) 320
00 Cobra R (5.4 DOHC) 385
01 Bullit (4.6 SOHC) 270</STRONG>
08-06-2001, 07:50 PM
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Whats so special about the Bullit Mustangs? I saw a green one on the highway. I didn't have my M3 that day (was driving my Camry) so I couldn't 'try' to mess with him.
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08-06-2001, 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by Damaged:
<STRONG>Whats so special about the Bullit Mustangs? I saw a green one on the highway. I didn't have my M3 that day (was driving my Camry) so I couldn't 'try' to mess with him.</STRONG>
<STRONG>Whats so special about the Bullit Mustangs? I saw a green one on the highway. I didn't have my M3 that day (was driving my Camry) so I couldn't 'try' to mess with him.</STRONG>
08-06-2001, 08:53 PM
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Originally posted by GOT PSI?:
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I think the only changes from the GT model are the wheels, billet gas lid, pedals, badging...PULL T: correct if me if im wrong! I don't think they've added any HP from the GT.</STRONG>
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I think the only changes from the GT model are the wheels, billet gas lid, pedals, badging...PULL T: correct if me if im wrong! I don't think they've added any HP from the GT.</STRONG>
Underdrive pulleys (though they are a very mild underdrive compared to my Steeda Pulleys)
13 inch front brakes identical to 96+ Cobra brakes (though with the bullitt, the calipers are painted red)
Subframe Connectors
Tokico Shocks
Revised Intake Manifold
Different Cat-Back system
Some Additional Cosmetic Items:
Far superior seats
'Retro' Guages
According to most dynos guys with Bullitts have done, the rear wheel Hp/Tq is around +10 peak. However, at all points on the graph, the Bullitt has higher output, with +15-20 at some points in the sub 4000 RPM range. This 'area under the curve' is of course what is important, rather than peak numbers. It is very evident even on the Butt-ometer that it has way more low end than a stock GT.
A good friend of mine has a Bullitt and he was able to run a 13.8 bone stock and 13.7 with some drag radials. I will add that he is a very good, experienced racer.
08-07-2001, 02:26 PM
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that's why i was trying to line up w/him. He was a big guy and his passenger was big so I figured I'd stand a good chance of beating him. 
Good info Pull_T!
Good info Pull_T!
08-08-2001, 04:09 PM
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Originally posted by GoldTypeS:
<STRONG>99, 01 Cobra (4.6 DOHC) 320 in theory LOL
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<STRONG>99, 01 Cobra (4.6 DOHC) 320 in theory LOL
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I also see that I erred in listing the Bullitt at 270, the factory rating is 265, so the dyno evidence would point to Ford actually underrating a motor
08-09-2001, 05:56 PM
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The older mustangs aren't really that big of a threat to the CLS , Now the newer ones are more of a threat than anything . They have 260 hp i dunno the torque on them but i know they run low to mid 14s in the 1/4 .
08-09-2001, 07:57 PM
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Originally posted by God:
<STRONG>The older mustangs aren't really that big of a threat to the CLS , Now the newer ones are more of a threat than anything . They have 260 hp i dunno the torque on them but i know they run low to mid 14s in the 1/4 .</STRONG>
<STRONG>The older mustangs aren't really that big of a threat to the CLS , Now the newer ones are more of a threat than anything . They have 260 hp i dunno the torque on them but i know they run low to mid 14s in the 1/4 .</STRONG>
08-10-2001, 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by Pull_T:
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Sounds good in theory, but hardly anyone has kept those old 5.0s stock. They can be anywhere from mid 14 to 8 second cars...</STRONG>
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Sounds good in theory, but hardly anyone has kept those old 5.0s stock. They can be anywhere from mid 14 to 8 second cars...</STRONG>
A buddy has one of the CHP pursuit models (notchback) and it does low 14s high 13s with a few minor mods (K&N and a few other goodies -- no major internal work).
08-10-2001, 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by God:
<STRONG>The older mustangs aren't really that big of a threat to the CLS , Now the newer ones are more of a threat than anything . They have 260 hp i dunno the torque on them but i know they run low to mid 14s in the 1/4 .</STRONG>
<STRONG>The older mustangs aren't really that big of a threat to the CLS , Now the newer ones are more of a threat than anything . They have 260 hp i dunno the torque on them but i know they run low to mid 14s in the 1/4 .</STRONG>
08-13-2001, 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by Pull_T:
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The '99 and up GTs are rated at 300 ftlbs...</STRONG>
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The '99 and up GTs are rated at 300 ftlbs...</STRONG>
08-13-2001, 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by God:
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302lb of torque to be exact . But if u look at there 0-60 times they have us by .4 of a sec and on the 1/4 it's the same 14.8 It's kinda like they beat us off the start b/c of all that damn torque they have but it evens back out at around 90 to 100 mph . I would love to race one of the new Mustang GT's ....and SPANK IT !</STRONG>
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302lb of torque to be exact . But if u look at there 0-60 times they have us by .4 of a sec and on the 1/4 it's the same 14.8 It's kinda like they beat us off the start b/c of all that damn torque they have but it evens back out at around 90 to 100 mph . I would love to race one of the new Mustang GT's ....and SPANK IT !</STRONG>
Unless you can roll off consistent 13.9s (which you may very well, I am not familiar with your mods), you will not have any success against a late model (99+) GT. The GT will pull you down low, through the 8th, through the traps and as far as you want to go....
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