fbazakos

Headers: 1k
Exhaust: .5k
Nitrous: .5k
3.5 Rick Case: 3k
Comptech SC: 4k
Level 10: 1k
Tires that grip: .5k
CAI & RES: .5k

Total: 11k

who needs brakes??? tell me for 11k you can't get a CL-S to run in the 11's ...

nootch

I think it could happen...

tankmonkey

you only need 2 tires to grip (for a drag run) and you can skip the cai as the comptech sc includes their "icebox" product.

fbazakos

see, even less than 11k

someguy

I guess you forgot about intallation. BTW, there are many cars that could be made faster for cheaper. The CL is not an Ideal drag racing car.

tankmonkey

sometimes you just gotta follow your dreams, though...

besides, top fuel cars are a bitch on the street...

fbazakos

maybe you dont know me, i dont pay for installation. anyways, it was just a dream ... astro is the only one who can afford to blow 11k on our car (well for him it'll be like 500k since he's canadian )

someguy

Eh, to each his own

Anyway, I'm not sure that it could get into the 11s even with all those mods :P

someguy

oh, you must be a very good mechanic, eh

WiLd~CL~TYPS-@SS

Sell the car and get a Turbo Type R

11 sec?..no problem

spiroh

Even with all those mods you wont run 11seconds. 12 might be possible 11..no way.

Spiro

CLSmike

someone please tell me what BTW means....Also stock internals would take a dump twice with the kind of power, but it would be fun to watch.

KCPreki11

By the way

fbazakos

that's why you get the rick case upgrade. spiro ... the car will be damn close... think about it

Zapata

no shot even with those mods. You'd have to completely strip in the inside of the CLS and you MIGHT have a chance.

nt5k

i think it would be funny to watch you try to steer that thing.. unless u have 20" arms or something.. heh

fbazakos

have you ever seen a bone stock CLS run with just the Level 10 tranny?

Zapata

based on real on basic numbers. If you had a 200lbs driver in the CLS that weights 3500 which would run 11 sec in the 1/4 with a estimated trap speed of 120 mph the car would have to have 549hp. Unless you're going to have some insane shot of NOS. Even then.....

fbazakos

first of all, i said, "In the 11's" so 11.99 would count. not that i'm getting technical. but I'm saying you can hit 13's with just a few mods, if you really spend some cash, why not be able to hit 11's ... it'll happen .. i'm sure somebody will do it next summer.

Zapata

There is a HUGE difference between 14.0 second 1/4mile that the one can ran in the first gen cl and 11.99. Think about it, stock cls should be something like 15.0-15.5 right? That is nearly 3 seconds you would need to drop from you time to get to 12.0. In the world of drag racing, 3 seconds is alot time to make up. What's the fastest time anybody on this board has gotten for the second gen cls? With tires, i/h/e, plugs etc., etc., I don't even thinik machtypeS's car was running in the 13's. The only X factors here are the RES and the SC. Under optimal conditions i think the RES may take a tenth or couple of tenths off the time. The SC might be the ace in the hole at 60-70 HP. It may push car close but that's assuming that the dyno with all the mods will show a HP of close to 424 hp? NOS might do the trick.

spiroh

It doesnt take much to change the pulley from a 6psi to a 9psi =)

Regardless, 11seconds is tough!! 12s yes..but 11s Im very skeptical. Even with a Level 10 tranny..I dont think our tranny can handle 600 horses.

WiLd~CL~TYPS-@SS

dont forget our car is heavy as a boat...you must get lots weights off from the car...you will need super light rims such as VOLK'S..and you have take out the back seats as well..take off as much weight as you can..plus add those mods that you mentioned above (V-AFC too)..you MIGHT hit 11 sec...btw..it would help if the weather is cool..road condition is good

cakennedy

And then you'd have a very fast FWD auto $43k car that can't turn and is questionable as a daily driver. Why not spend $4k less and get a 330ci that is more fun all around?

eclipse23

How is a 330 more fun all around exactly? Jeesh, last time I checked I've been dead even racing a 330 and for 1K I'll handle just as well through the twisties. That's still 11K less out of my pocket and more into my downpayment for a house.

M5 Lite

Well just for comparison. One of my friends ran a 11.94 @ 120.xx at Union Grove with his stock '98 Viper GTS on street tires.

We dyno'd his car and it showed 449HP to the wheels stock (I don't remember the torque figures). Now he's at 581HP and 697ft-lbs torque at the wheels with laughing gas and some other little mods.

Hopefully we hit the track this Saturday and see some 10s come from him w/ cheater slicks.

Nashua_Night_Hawk

449HP to the wheels?

What is the engine BHP numbers?
Last I remember that stock 01' GTS should be 450 HP on the crank....

Do not know about the 98' model... but I think it should be around the 400 mark on the crank!!

M5 Lite

Exactly! We had 3 other Vipers there making around 430HP w/ headers and some right around 400HP stock, but for some reason, his was high.

I can't say for sure, but I think the only mod he had were smooth tubes, but that doesn't make up for that big of a difference.

cakennedy

Just for the sake of discussion, and since you asked ( )...

I think RWD is quite a bit more fun than FWD. Ass-out power slides are not the fastest way around a track but they sure are fun! It also feels good to throttle-steer through a long sweeper, to balance the car with brake and gas inputs, and to feel it squat down and power out of a slow turn. RWD gives you more options in many driving situations. It can bite you if you're not careful, but that's part of the fun, too. The manual gearbox, well that's a whole other discussion, too

Just one fellah's opinion, and not really related to the thread at hand...

spiroh

What track are you going to, I might be interested.

M5 Lite

Union Grove.

spiroh

I think they are closed.

M5 Lite

From what we've heard, if the weather is good, they'll be open.

nt5k

ok then get a WRX for 23k. stock it will beat the cl-s. but spend 5k get it to 320hp, spend 2k on suspension, and 2k brakes.. and if u must have leather get some Recaros for the front for another 2k..
so for 32k without the seats u have a car thats much more fun to drive.. or hell u dont need to mod that thing at all. just put the 7k in a mutual fund..

enjoy..

tankmonkey

the upcoming manual tranny might help...

I mean, if there is any justice in this world, a manual type s should be capable of consistent low 14s stock (with a good driver, natch) and hopefully the manual will prove to be more compatible with higher power levels than the automatics seem to have have been. maybe we'll see a significant reduction in curb weight, too.

just a thought.

Zapata

you are correct. The 6 speed will definetly help in 1/4 mile times; in the launch for sure and possibly 3-4 gear. It'll be slightly lighter. I'm talking 50lbs or so. Every little bit of weight helps

tankmonkey

do you really think it'll only be 50 lbs lighter? I was imagining 100 or maybe even 125 lbs. I guess automatics aren't as heavy as they used to be (or manuals are getting heavier).

I guess it also depends on whether they change anything else about the car for the manual application (i.e., bigger wheels/brakes, eliminate the vcs, etc.).

Zapata

yeah, if u take a look at other curb weight comparisons of manual vs. auto the difference isn't that huge.

Why would the eliminate the VCS?

tankmonkey

I'm not saying they would, but if they decide to reconfigure the content on the 6 speed (ie, to give it a more sporting influence) they may start removing/replacing things like heavy seats and excess gagetry and/or adding more performance oriented items like better brakes, etc. if stability control is not crucial to the mission of the 6 speed car (ie, it's more of a gee-whiz factor) it seems likely that it'd be one of the first items to go. and, if the vcs adds additional weight over the abs/traction control, there'd be a weight savings in addition to the complexity/cost benefits.

besides, the 6 speed should be more of a driver's car (as opposed to boulevardier) and should, therefore, demand more from the driver.

Zapata

You could be right. Well see

FutureCL-S

The fact of the matter is that a rear wheel drive car is more tossable while having more control of the vehicle. The front wheels are only asked to steer and brake, where as in a front wheel drive the wheels are asked to steer, brake, and accelerate...alot of responsibility for such a heavy car with such good horsepower. Now don't get me wrong the CL-S is a great car for the money and is hellified amounts of fun. But a rear wheel drive car is designed to handle better as well as distribute the power throughout the chassis for better dynamic control. A rear wheel drive car is easier to launch contolled at the dragstrip because the power transfer makes the rear of the car squat down and put it to the ground while the front wheel drive car pulls the weight to the rear of the car as well, taking potential traction away from the drive wheels. Sorry for the long post, just needed to add my .02

Jay