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http://www.wheels24.co.za/Wheels24v2...tml?NewsPath=1

Nashua_Night_Hawk

Any news about the new RS4!

bkknight369

this month's european sports car mag. had some info on the rs4 (the one that featured the custom e46 m3 smg ), though it was somewhat sparce

bkknight369

btw amir congrats on FINALLY selling your car and gettin the audi...did you sell to a dealer or private?

amir was here

thanks,

i sold it privately...i got exactly what i was asking for as well, 29 900 but that included parting out some mods.

agisd

Amir, may I ask you why you went from 260 HP to 170 HP 4 cylinder engine? Isn't this a downgrade?

I am thinking of buying the A4 but I have to convince myself that the engine is good enough. I drive a Jetta VR6 now, the car is bad but the engine is better than the 1.8t.

PS I am in Toronto too.

amir was here

whats up,

u should know that
Audi A4 1.8t engine with a 800 dollar chip is faster than a CL-S.

Then, quality, really if u sit in a Audi, it screams quality...a lot more quality than the CL-S had.

Quattro + sport package...try it. Its AMAZING....handles like a dream....on dry, wet, snow, leaves, sand...whatever u give it.

Really, all the car needs is a 800 dollar chip, and its faster than a CL-S.

If you would like, we can meet up and u could check the car out sometime after new years....u can pm me anytime.

soopa

amir. you know i like the audi and the 1.8t but you KNOW that is simply NOT TRUE.

the A4 1.8t with a Stage 2 chip CAN POSSIBLY be as fast if not slightly faster 0-60.

However from a rolling start... or at speed... it has nothing when simply chipped.

Zoot

Amir, any pics of your new A4? Congrats on selling it and the new car! I love dolphin!!!

Shawn S

But with a 4-Cylinder don’t you have to ring the living SHIT out of it to get that performance?
Kind of like the RSX Type-S. By the numbers its close to the CL-S, but you’ve got to make it SCREAM to see that horsepower.

I’ve owned 4-CYL Turbos before and prefer the drivability of a High Revving 6-CYL like the CL-S.

Shawn S

GOOSE

Does chipping the Audi turbo void the warranty?

I've heard some say it does, but others have said that you could just remove it without a trace if you need warranty work done.

amir was here

stage1+ will be faster than a stock cl-s no doubt...
heres the dyno:



The above is with 93 octane...with Sunoco 94 octane, u can expect 5 more hp, and 5 more lbs of torque...

With an exhuast+silencer, add 15hp@wheels and 10lbs torque.

Stage 1+ and exhuast would cost roughly 2000 u.s. and would give the A4 235hp@wheels and 265lbs of torque.

1.8t engine is highly tunable...really, once u start getting into bigger turbos...game over.

235hp@wheels and 265lbs of torque with stage 1+ and an exhuast....

To my knowledge, those numbers are greater than any modded (not including SC) cl-s dyno...

Then at the price of a SC for the CL-S, i could get turbo upgrades that would put roughly 310hp@wheels/320 lbs Torque.

Adam, with my driving, i just need to know the power will be there...i dont race, i usually just cruise around...but its good to know that if a stock, or even modded cl-s rolls up at a red light, i would have the means to take it if i drive well. Also, with just the chip and 94 octane, i the dyno above shows that just a chip even may take a stock cl-s.

I should have been more specific...i meant stage 1+, not just chipped.... just chip is not 800 dollars, i believe its $499, i meant to say stage 1+ which is chip+fuel injectors that is 800 dollars.

my bad.

Zoot, i'l take some pics once i put some mods on...no point of taking pics of a stock car. Dolphin is absolutely amazing color.

Shawn, your absolutely right, but again, in my case, i dont race every weekend, and i really, truly, do not drive that fast at alllll...i roll out most the time at lights...so you are correct, though in my situation, its ok for me to be driving a 4banger...the odd time i wanna push it, i dont mind revving.

Goose, chipping voids warranty. But if u make friends with the service manager it wont be a problem Also, the APR chip is not deteectable unless they take extreme measures that are likely to occur. You could also remove it without ANY trace...but u dont need to even do that.

DtEW

Amir, I think there's a problem with your train of thought...

The stock 1.8T comes with 170hp & 166lb-ft at the crank. You should re-consult your graph and see that APR is not showing an actual wheel dyno, but calculated at the crank output presumably based on their actual wheel dyno. So an APR stage 1+ gives you 215hp & 250lb-ft at the crank with 93 octane, assuming you believe that they're listing average improvements instead of one particularly responsive engine.

Now let's figure in the 5hp for the additional octane and 15hp for the exhaust (both extremely optimistic, as mod improvements rarely ever sum like this), you're still left with 235hp at the crank for a 3406lb (Audi's number) car. I would counsel against running with even bone stock CL-S's. You might make better of the launch w/ AWD, but consider that the Quattro drivetrain losses are more than 20%. That CL-S will catch up pretty fast, not to mention a CL-S 6MT.

(You're not running an automatic, are you? The tranny losses would be even higher for an automatic, and the car also weighs ~150lb more at an Audi-listed 3550lb. A final consideration is that Audi-listed weights might be a little optimistic. Listed at a supposed 3583lb on the Audi website, R&T measured the A4 3.0 Quattro w/6MT as being 3680lb the 1st time, then 3690lb the 2nd time. )

Bluto

Thanks for the clarification. Glad I finished reading the thread before replying. I noticed this as well.

Amir,
scalbert's dyno

Max Power 246.7
Max Torque 213.6 ... at the wheels

amir was here

those are at the wheels...

and

i got stick.

u should also know that the APR chip is one of the most conservative chips....there are chips that put out 245hp as welll..this is JUST a chip...its the GIAC chip

Scrib

No pics???

Bluto

The red curve (stock) shows a max 170 HP, to the wheels? Does Audi rate HP differently?

soopa

Amir, that dyno IS NOT at the wheels.

It is likely a graph they put together estimating what it would be at the crank using a wheel dyno.


A stock 1.8t does not put 170hp to the ground. The quattro drivetrain has alot of loss.

When you drop the clutch on a 1.8t you KNOW it does not have that much power to the ground... the thing barely moves STOCK.

AQUI NO!

Not to start a flame war but i too was in the market for an a4 until i purchased my cl-s and unless (two more Weeks)APR has an ubber A4, that graph is at the crank. A standard 1.8t puts out 170 at the crank not the wheels, this is the reason why corollas will walk on it. No argument on the interior quality, even the sound of the door closing is solid and the quattro(why couldn't the cl be all wheel drive ) is fun in the rain(tested it on rainy day)but a stage 1+(injectors and chip) a4 will not put out 235 at the wheels, just not possible with just upping the boost to 1.2 bar. It is just not possible, not even with 100 octane gas. On the other hand, stage 2+ might be close and a stage 3(when it comes out) upgrade will blow away even m3s. Good choice of a car they are fun to drive and iIMO look damm good but are severly underpower so as to not compete with the 3.0.

scalbert

About 30% - 35% as with most AWD systems. But then they typically use more aggressive gearing to compensate.

agisd

Good idea, thanks Amir. I'll PM you sometime in January.
I was at an Audi dealership this morning, looking at the A4. The car is beautiful...

gavriil

That is incorrect. All HP figures are reported at the crank from manufacturers. Always.

gavriil

You folks are also forgetting what this initial stage does to the torque curve.

Look at the stock curve (red). See how nice and flat it is from 2250 to almost 5000 rpm? Now look at the green curve. It is flat only from 3100 rpm to 4250 rpm. It literaly explodes from the 2000 rpm point to the 3000 rpm point. That is bad from drivability.

As an ex modded Talon TSi AWD owner, I know how that feels. Yes you get more power but is also how you get that power. If your gas pedal is an ON/OFF switch, then driving becomes a lot less fun.

Also watch how only above 2250 rpm you get more power from both applications due to the turbo not been engaged till then (probably).

The more this engine will be tweaked, the more this "explosion" of torque will be evident. That is the main problem of small displacement and aggressive turbocharging. Otherwise, it gets expensive and then you are back at the "no replacement for displacement" motto.

blxmjx

you should reread the quote that you replied to.

AQUI NO!

quote:
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Originally posted by agui
A standard 1.8t puts out 170 at the crank not the wheels, this is the reason why corollas will walk on it.
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That is incorrect. All HP figures are reported at the crank from manufacturers. Always.

gavriil>>>>>huh????

bkknight369

its ok...gav is posting so much, a mistake here and there is forgiveable

gavriil

Wow. That is when I know, I have been in front of a computer screen way to long for today. Sorry blxmjx.

agisd

True

gavriil

Sorry guys.

mattg

who cares if you get walked by a cl-s on dry pavement. you will own them on any wet snowy roads.


just be prepared to see the tails when it's nice out