Don't race an M3. 01 CL-S auto vs 98 M3 stick.
My ass got ruled so badly it isn't even funny. I even had the advantage of launching first. Just thought I'd share my after-dinner "entertainment" with you guys.

 

Ugh, yeah those things are monsters Our only hope would be with a heavily moded 6MT. However, the 98 M3 aren't super super fast. If you had intake, headers, exhaust, spark plugs the race might have been closer. He still would've pull it out because of gearing but you would'nt have looked so bad

I love challenging the big boys because getting my ass handed to me by a superior car brings me no shame

 

if you want to be competitive you need at least h/i. i murdered one because he wouldn't race w/o his two passengers.

 

I beat my friends 98 M3 all the time...but then again its and auto. You can beat an auto but 5sp are a unless you have headers.

 

What exactly is the point of an automatic M3?? It's just like some Ferarri that I saw one day that was an auto. Kinda defeats the purpose in my opinion.

 

Yeah but that auto shifts faster than most people can shift a stick. The SMG on the M3 is BADASS too

 

Ferrari F1's are badass. Id get one over a stick.

 

This kid around town has a black M3 and he can't shift for shit so i'm thinkin about takin him wiht my 6 speed and i'll see hwo that goes.....also i wanna race a z06 and get my ass handed ot me....but still it'll be fun

 

Is it a E46 M3....if it is you are just wasting gas.

 

i'm wasting gas either way but its worth a shot, can't hurt....but i mean he seriusly loses about a second-a second and a half because he can't shift

 

I've had two races with two different M3's:
First race was with a 98 coupe 5spd stock, I've had two people in the car and M3 no passengers,we raced till about 70mph, and he had me by about a car.
Second, with a 4 door M3 5spd stock, not sure of the year, I've had on person in car, and so did the M3 dude, both of us punched it from the roll, and I was almost a car ahead the whole way till about 85mph.
These fuckers are fast, if my CL was stock no way in hell I would have had a chance....
01 CLS silver
Comptech:
headers, sways, springs
AEM CAI w/bypass
Tokico shocks
Phillips 6000K bulbs
PIAA 19124s
metallic tint
19" Dronell Type-I's with Toyos
MB Quart RSC216 front components
MB Quart DSD rears
JL 10w3 w/Kenwood 600w amp
Phoenix Gold Tantrum 600w/4 amp
V1 and more...

 

Get headers...and CAI...you are now on par with the M3...get some lightweight wheels...and watch the look in his eyes...as you fly past him....

 

Just out of curiousity, what is with everyone posting lightweight wheels as a mod? How much of a weight savings are they really?

I've done comparos with some aftermarket rims that turn out to be heavier than the stock rims by quite a bit. Even automobile magazine discovered this when they began to race their Focus ZX3 in SCCA: their stock rims were lighter than anything offered on TireRack.

So a header and CAI is worth .4-.5 off your 1/4-mile time nowadays? Wow...

 

volk/ssr comps =15lbs/rim
stock= 24lbs/rim

Total weight savings is about 53lbs .

 

Headers are good for about .3 and CAI is .1-.2, the lightweight volks that I use are good for .3-.4 off the 1/4, less rotating mass = faster revving = powr more quickly. Now, I was wondering if we have a flywheel in our autos??

 

Strange... the old 'rulebook' was .1 seconds off your quarter-mile for every 100lbs shaved off the car... has anyone gotten timeslips to prove that lightweight rims or a CAI improves your times THAT much?

Just playing devil's advocate...

Actually, less rotating mass = more wheel spin = quicker starts at best... my bet is these are aluminum rims? Get them wheels hot enough and roll through a cold puddle of water, watch your rims warp before your very eyes...

food for thought.

 

I think we do but a lighter flywheel will generally put lots of stress on the tranny and er uh i don't know if you'd want to do that

 

There is a difference in performance gains between rotational mass and unsprung mass. Lightweight wheels help more than you think because the wheels don't need as much to turn and the isn't as heavy with them on so there is a dual affect.

Do a search this topic has been discussed many times with some great explainations by our chief a-cl.com Scientists Scalbert and EricL.

 

No these are forged rims so they will not warp.

Btw, check out this discussion about the issue at hand. Pay special attention to EricL's posts on page 3.

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...t&pagenumber=1

 

It is my understanding that for each pound of unsprung weight reduced it equals 7 total pounds in mass weight. So look at it this way, if you save 9 pounds a rim (considering your new rubber won't weigh more) you will actually reduce an effective 240 pounds plus.
That is why your times will get much better.

 

The excess wheelspin is going to occur even if you use the stock heavy ass rims....a reduction of almost 10 pounds per wheel....stocks to volks....will equate to that 280 lbs. which almost .3....you have to work the launch...slipping into the throttle...not jsut slamming on it...unless of course you have some warmed up slicks. Also, the rule of thumb is every 10whp = .1 gain in 1/4.....as well as every 10 degree variance in temperature....it seems work for our cars...cuz we weigh in at close to old muscle car weights...and run about the same times....14-15 sec 1/4s

 

How'd you get 53 lbs?
24-15=9lbs difference per rim
9*4=36lbs in total weight savings.
And the extra weight is from...?

 

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...t&pagenumber=3