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Track times from the Nurburgring circle, checkout number 23, looks like the cl -s held it's own.

Nurburgring GmbH
Nurburgring, Germany
14.18 Miles
The first lap time is from a dead stop and the 2nd is taken when the car passes the starting line at the end of the 1st lap.

Car First Lap Second Lap
1. 1998 Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR (6M) 8:25.0 8:20.3
2. 1994 McLaren F1 (6M) 8:29.1 8:25.1
3. 1996 Ferrari F50 (6M) 8:44.7 8:39.4
4. 1991 Ferrari F40 (5M) 8:45.2 8:39.4
5. 1998 Dodge Viper GTS-R (6M) 8:56.3 8:51.0
6. 2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 (6M) 8:59.5 8:53.6
7. 1999 Chevrolet Corvette LS1 Hardtop (6M) 9:11.2 9:04.4
8. 1997 Ferrari F355 Spider (6M) 9:12.0 9:05.9
9. 2000 BMW Z8 (6M) 9:21.5 9:15.4
10. 1994 Toyota Supra Turbo (6M) 9:26.2 9:19.4
11. 2001 Holden GTS R (Aus) (6M) 9:31.3 9:24.8
12. 2001 Jaguar XKR (5A) 9:36.2 9:28.1
13. 2002 Maserati Spyder Cambiocorsa (6MAT) 9:38.0 9:32.3
14. 2001 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra (5M) 9:39.9 9:34.1
15. 1989 Pontiac Trans Am Turbo (4A) 9:40.5 9:35.1
16. 2002 Audi S8 Quattro (5A) 9:41.8 9:35.4
17. 2002 Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VII (Japanese) (5M) 9:42.5 9:37.7
18. 1999 Plymouth Prowler (4A) 9:46.7 9:41.0
19. 1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo (5M) 9:46.9 9:41.3
20. 2004 Subaru Impreza WRX Sti (USA) (6M) 9:48.0 9:42.6
21. 1998 Ford Mustang GT (5M) 9:49.7 9:42.0
22. 1985 Chevrolet Corvette (4M) 9:51.9 9:45.7
23. 2003 Acura 3.2CL Type-S (6M) 9:52.7 9:46.2
24. 2002 Acura RSX Type-R (Japanese) (6M) 9:55.0 9:49.3
25. 1989 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z (4A) 9:56.7 9:49.3
26. 2001 BMW 540 i (5A) 9:57.4 9:50.6
27. 2000 Honda S2000 (6M) 9:58.0 9:51.8
28. 1997 Ford Probe GT (5M) 9:59.0 9:51.1
29. 2003 Dodge Neon SRT-4 (5M) 10:01.3 9:54.7
30. 1997 Honda Prelude SH (5M) 10:01.5 9:53.2
31. 1995 Volkswagen GTI VR6 (5M) 10:02.5 9:55.0
32. 1989 Toyota Supra Turbo (5M) 10:03.1 9:55.4
33. 2001 Acura Integra Type R (5M) 10:07.1 9:59.2
34. 2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V (6M) 10:08.4 9:59.9

35. 2001 Toyota MR2 Spyder (5M) 10:08.4 10:00.6
36. 1991 Chevrolet Lumina Z34 (5M) 10:09.0 10:01.5
37. 2004 Infiniti FX45 (5A) 10:13.3 10:06.6
38. 2003 Lexus LS430 (5A) 10:14.4 10:07.3
39. 2002 Volkswagen Jetta GLS 1.8T (5M) 10:16.0 10:11.9
40. 2002 Nissan Sentra SE-R (5M) 10:17.1 10:08.9
41. 1999 Mercury Cougar V6 (5M) 10:19.6 10:11.8
42. 2001 Acura 3.2CL (5A) 10:20.7 10:12.3
43. 1997 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro (5M) 10:24.4 10:17.4
44. 1999 Saab 9-5 SE (4A) 10:25.9 10:19.0
45. 1984 Toyota Supra (5M) 10:27.2 10:18.1
46. 1997 Saturn SC2 (5M) 10:29.5 10:21.2
47. 1995 BMW 318 ti (5M) 10:31.3 10:23.5
48. 1998 Honda Accord EX V6 Coupe (4A) 10:33.8 10:26.6
49. 1991 Ford Escort GT (5M) 10:34.2 10:26.4
50. 1997 Cadillac Catera (4A) 10:34.5 10:26.4
51. 1993 Honda Civic SI Hatchback (5M) 10:35.1 10:28.3
52. 1990 Ford Probe GT (5M) 10:35.4 10:28.4
53. 2002 Audi A4 3.0 CVT (CVT) 10:36.1 10:29.7
54. 1986 Toyota MR2 (5M) 10:37.8 10:30.1
55. 1999 Infiniti G20 (4A) 10:42.6 10:33.9
56. 1982 Triumph TR-8 (5M) 10:43.2 10:35.0
57. 1994 GMC Sonoma SLS (4A) 10:44.2 10:37.0
58. 2003 Honda Accord EX V-6 Sedan (5A) 10:48.6 10:41.2
59. 1987 Pontiac Firebird 2.8 (4A) 10:54.1 10:46.4
60. 1989 Mazda 323 GTX (5M) 10:54.5 10:46.9
61. 1986 Ford Mustang LX V6 (3A) 10:59.1 10:49.6
62. 1996 Suzuki Esteem GLX (5M) 11:01.4 10:53.5

Red-CL

What the hell is this?

mantis23

fuckin bad ass find.

I wish I could drive once around that track.

I got scared for a minute and thought the 5AT time was for a Type S...

AQUI NO!

It's track times around the Nurburgring circle. The cl type s actually held it's own but i find hard to believe it beat an s2000.

proaudio22

Great find! That Mercedes must be a pretty good track car, b/c the Mclaren is pretty damn good - and it got beat by 4-5 seconds! The FX45 beat the a/t CL, hah. The new Accord must have a crappy new suspention to have 40hp more than the last gen and still get whipped by a good 15 seconds...

But what the hell is 15. 1989 Pontiac Trans Am Turbo (4A)

proaudio22

There are a ton of suprises there...

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Pro- I saw that, i was like damn

AQUI NO!

I don't think this are the fastest times, i think it's just lap times from a track event at the cirlce, otherwise i would expect to see the m3 and new cts near the top.

AQUI NO!

clk-gtr was like a 1.5 million dollar car
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame...car.mv&num=365

proaudio22

Ah, I was thinking it was a diff car. That explains it, I had it all mixed up. I'd rather have the Mclaren tho.

Me: I have a CLK-GTR.
Person: Yea, I have a CLK too.
Me:

Me: I have a Mclaren F1.
Person: Whoa...holy shit!
Me:

mantis23

Chaptorial

Not bad we beat the 1997 Saturn SC2.

Nice find BTW.

spdy0001

I can't beleive they even let that car on the track

davo-cls

I refuse to believe the 5A got beat by a '91 Chevy Lumina Z34. Talk about a boat.....

spdy0001

The z34 does the 1/4 in 15.8 and 0-60 in 7.5 so it could a chance at beating a base CL

Bluto

http://www.89tta.com/ttahist.htm

Crazy Bimmer

Thats the weirdest shit i have ever seen. Alot of bad drivers are with a lot of great drivers then.

skyline

AS much as i like honda product, i find this list somewhat hard to believe. I mean do ppl actualy ship a CL to germany and test it out? I guess its possible that they run that track for testing prior to production. But where is the NSX? THat position seems more like where a NSX will be.. dont u think?

Black CL-S 4-Life

Sweet! I would love to drive my car on that track.

GreenMonster

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. The only way this list would have any kind of meaning is if it was the same driver driving all the vehicles in identical conditions.

People don't usually ship a car to Germany that often, but ALL the major manufactors do

mantis23

according to this site

Honda NSX 8.41.222 142.28102km/h 88.40932mph

AQUI NO!

true, but it gives u a rough idea of what our car can do.

EricL

LINK/Pointer to numbers pasted above: http://www.car-videos.com/performance/track.asp?track=7


Is there any reason to believe that the numbers are NOT from a "Cartest 2000" computer simulator? Here is a quote from their website:

"Where do you get your performance numbers?

The performance numbers come from the Cartest 2000 computer simulation program. This java-based application allows you to enter specifications for a vehicle, which is normalizes to perform mathematical acceleration and track simulations. This application must make several assumptions about power delivery, center of gravity, suspension geometry, etc. so the results may not match real-world numbers exactly. Every effort has been made by Car-Videos.com to achieve as realistic numbers as possible. In the rare case that satisfactory numbers cannot be achieved, the model in question is removed from the site."

http://www.car-videos.com/contact/faq.asp

vuduvida

they let pretty much anything drive that course on open track day. I was there last summer and did a lap in my rental car.

there were no instructions beforehand, no signing of waivers, no safety checks- nothing. You just pay ~$11 for a ticket, insert it in a gate and then go! It's full of motorcyclists and high-end cars so it's very easy to get into dangerous situation quickly there.

that list of cars above is not at all representative of what you'd see there and is really a bunch of BS because there are so many cars that should be on there yet are not listed. The only domestic I saw was an older Corvette and there were no Japanese cars. Hondas are rare to see in Germany and I've never once seen an imported Acura (not to say they didn't bring one in to test).

EDIT: ok, I see from the post above that the numbers are not real but from a sim program

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Damn i missed that part............oh well, guess that makes this post worthless.

thealliance15

CL BEAT A S2k?

davo-cls

The whole thing is just theoretical. The 2001 CL isn't even a Type S, but just the base CL. They have a theoretical top speed of 140, a 0-60 of 7.1, and the 1/4 @ 15.7. Compared the the TL Type S they show more realistic numbers (top speed - 148, 1/4 @ 14.8). Too bad they didn't simulate those two cars on any of the same tracks.

bsprinker

That's sweet. Some surprises, indeed.

All I know is that the Supra turbo is a MONSTER, even today. That is one strong car!!!