soloist3

It's funny that I am doing the same thing with my Legend, the one that is getting a 3.5L put in right now...I want something that I can leave stock and still be fun and fast, as well as have the "spirit" of the Legend in a newer car with less miles and more parts availability. That pretty much comes down to the CL-S6 or an 08 Accord V6 6 speed (still not crazy about the back end but the rest of the car is very well done). I like to buy my cars cash, because the novelty of a new car ends far before the payments do, that probably means I'll never own anything newer than 8-10 years old, but, that's just the way it is.

In short this thread is very much analogous to my situation too, I am just trying to stay near the $10k mark so I don't have a loan hanging over my head.

civicdrivr

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The CL-S6 is attainable for ~$10k. The Accord V6-6 is not.

Woofer

[quote=StreetKA;13698937]it has 348hp and 295tq @ crank

Maybe you are referring to the 2.0T 4 cylinder version, they have six engine trans combinations.

"With the addition of direct-injection the 3.8-liter V6 now delivers a very serious 350 hp with 348 lb-ft of torque. With a curb weight of 3,483 (V6 manual), it has a better power to weight ratio that a BMW 335i or an Infiniti G37 and is good for a 0-60 time in the low 5.0 second range. "

http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...ideo-1880.html

AcuraSpook I am also having a hard time getting past the badge but despite that it's pretty stunning wouldn't you agree?.

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis-co...rformance.aspx

StreetKA

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I got my quote directly from the hyundai website its says 348hp and 295tq but whatever i do not care so im not gonna argue about it

Woofer

Post the URL.

StreetKA

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http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis-co...fications.aspx

civicdrivr

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Even Hyundais 4.6l V8 doesnt make 348lb-ft.

AcuraSpook

If Jerry Seinfeld had that much trouble getting one then GL to the regular people
(Jokingly referring to the super bowl commercial)

Are you going to track it?

AcuraSpook

I like the general shape of the body, there are details that I am not a fan of. Of course there are plenty of modifications for this car already, making it a lot easier to personalize...

Is it just me or aren't the new accord V-6 really not better than the CL-S?
Perhaps I'm blinded by bias but I just don't feel like its any huge steps from the CL-S... Looks and age are the biggest of differences IMO

civicdrivr

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If I get it, yes, it will be the track whore. But thats a big if right now. I like the Subaru version but dont think its worth the $28k. The FRS is only $3k cheaper. If I really wanted to I could pick up an old 240 or Miata for way south of $10k and put the rest into mods.

CLsuperhero

I would say the best deal upgrade would be:

An infiniti G35 --you'll have RWD, luxury, and it's priced just as equal to a cl and about the same power.

350z if you want to save weight and lose the luxury.

CTS-V (older model) you can pick one up for 15k if you're lucky and you have luxury, RWD, and a corvette engine.

Joe5.0

I'm in a similar situation, but I am not sinking $$ into my CL-S6. Mine has 176k miles on it, and realistically I would like to get another 50k miles out of it without major $$ in maintenance (clutch, trans, engine, etc).

My current list of possible replacements:

• G8 GT
• TL or TL Type-S (manual for either)
• G37 sedan - AWD 6 MT if possible
• 335Xi Sedan or Coupe, 6MT only
• 2012 328i 6MT
• 2012+ BMW 535i or 528i, 6MT only

Now, I live in the rust belt so I put a premium on snow traction. I also drive 20k miles a year, so mpg is a concern.

I am kind of done with FWD though, and I think I could survive with RWD in the snow with good winter tires.

If you dont give a shit about MPG or possible maintanance costs, why not get another CL?

Just make sure it has a Twin Turbo V12: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/V12-B...item33749c6782

kingofdust

Tough customer?!?! Morgan, you're an IMPOSSIBLE customer LOL. JKJK.......but seriously


If I were you I would switch to the Subie, I have had nothing but pleasurable experiences with mine, easily one of the most FUN cars I have ever driven, weather its the 09 Forester turbo, 08 legacy, or my brother's 07 imprez they are all wicked fun in any weather, great steering feel and the people who work on them are really down to earth and work with you not against you. Much unlike the pricks at the local Acura dealership with whom I just had a yelling match with this morning and then they lost my business forever.

Saw the new Brz at the car show which I believe you went to as well, I was pretty impressed, once the aftermarket gets ahold of it you can make it truly perfect and faster, as it was a little plain from my taste and in need of some zoom mods. But as you said its not about the speed, so to each his own.

I like the idea of a cts-v coupe

kingofdust

The g37 isn't offered with a 6mt AND Awd, only RWD, at least it was like that for awhile not sure if they changed in the recent years. G8 is a beast but doesn't fit your mpg. That being said the bimmerss sound real nice!

Joe5.0

G8 GT is rated at 15/24mpg, as it has cylinder deactivation. The LS motors are known for really good mileage given their power and size. I'll bet a G8 GT gets overall better mileage than either 6 cylinder BMW I listed.

I also forgot to mention the Taurus SHO. I know its a boat, but I have driven two now and was impressed with the interior quality and the AWD power is awesome. Plus I like that its kind of more 'grown-up', versus something like a WRX for example. I like the 2013 redesign and in a couple years they;ll be around for high 20's with under 35k miles.

CL-S progression 01

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lol i like the SHO too.. it's amazing considering it's a ford u could easily see it being a high end european car on the interior.. the back of the car isn't great but whatever... i's what's on the inside that really counts..


doesn't the taurus have double pain front windshield too!!!!??

civicdrivr

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I like the Taurus, but its way too big for me to own. Even the CL is a boat in my eyes.

aznboi2424

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I floored a SHO and it didn't even chirp the tires. Stupid AWD lol

kingofdust

Well the reason I said it doesn't fit your mpg is because 24 is by no means good mpg even if it is good for the power you get, and it didn't really fit in with the other cars you said. The bmw's get 24-28 highway which is still pretty shitty and premium to boot so they are no better I guess. So I was just going off what YOU had originally said about gas mileage being a concern lol. And my experience with cylinder deactivation is that it didn't even come into play because I had a decently heavy foot around town and never cruised long enough for it to deactivate at a steady speed so its negligible for me because my commute wasn't a lot of highway miles. But you said you have a decent commute I think so I guess that works for you, I just have no experience with it. my bad.

Joe5.0

24mpg isnt extremely good, but it does have 400ft lbs of torque and runs on regular grade, which helps.

I have no hands-on experience with cylinder deactivation, but I suppose it cant hurt, right? I do quite a bit of highway driving so it would probably benefit me a little more than someone that was more city commute.

Either way it goes to show that the CL-S is a pretty competent car, seeing as how it can get 30mpg highway and still run mid 14's bone stock........which is why I havent gotten rid of it yet. I mean cmon it still is on the factory clutch and is at 176k miles now. How many cars can claim that? And I dont drive it easy either.

civicdrivr

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The only cylinder deactivation I have experience with is Hondas VCM, and its shit.

You only get about 1mpg over a non-VCM car but you're also down about 20whp.

AcuraSpook

Isn't that what make this car so versatile and amazing. People running 13s and getting 30MPG...

Joe5.0

Yep, it really is a great car. I think the exterior has aged pretty well too. Compared to something like a 2001 Maxima or 2001 ES 300, it looks relatively modern and clean. Most people guess that mine is a couple years old. They are always surprised that is nearly 10 years old and has 175k+ miles.

soloist3

It's funny that you are considering getting out of the CL and I am considering getting into one...they are still "new" to me; well, anything under 130k miles is pretty new anyway.

Agreed the Accord Coupe hasn't improved that much over the CL, really just styling...the 08+ is definitely a step more in the right direction of a sporty coupe, though it's not the end all, be all of styling either.

The G35 Coupe or Sedan in 6MT w/ RWD, or AWD (the auto is almost as quick as the 6MT, though not as fun) would be a logical successor if you can afford something that new. I sat in a G37 Coupe, didn't really like the way it felt, but, I am sure everything that new feels and looks a lot different compared to my Legend or the CL. The G35 and G series sedans are easily the best looking and performing sedans in my eyes and from what I have read.

Btw, I have to add, the CTS-V might be the ugliest car on the road right now...ok, maybe not as bad as the Aztec, but damn close. If you can afford it, and I might have already mentioned it, the Audi A5/S5 Coupe is just about the best thing out there right now, well in the luxury sports coupe segment, reminds me of the looks of my Legend but with a modern 4.2L DI DOHC, variable valve timing equipped engine, and Quattro. Probably the biggest pain in the ass to get parts for, or work on, just because it is an Audi, and a newer one at that, but, it gets my vote.

civicdrivr

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^ I think the CTS-V sedan and wagon are gorgeous, but the coupe is horrible.

And Ive never liked Nissan interiors. I feel the same about the G. And Im in the minority, but I hate how they sound.

soloist3

Yep, I was thinking of the coupe when I wrote that

YeuEmMaiMai

only Acura 2 door successor is the NSX and unless you get the lottery or have a job as a Boeing 747 pilot.....

Dspr_02

Handles like it too... my 02 Rio Wagon handled better than the CL at low speeds in tight spaces, it was narrower though...

I am seriously considering starting an "Acura CL Mod Fund" and then using the "fund" to buy a Lexus IS250-C later on down the road...

aznboi2424

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Buying a convertible isn't exactly the right step in the "handling" direction. Something with a roof will be more rigid and weigh less if your looking for a hardtop.

civicdrivr

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Unless its a 'vert like an S2k or MX-5....but I definitely agree with you there.

azeezp13

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The CLS6 is the perfect car for me right now since I'm still a fairly broke undergrad student. There is no other car on the market that offers as much as the CL does for the price IMO. In 3-4 years when I'm done school for good though I can see myself in an Infiniti G37S 6MT or Audi S5. A 97+ NSX would be sweet too.

Dspr_02

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Unfortunately, it looks like my CL will have to go come September since I'm going into Uni where parking is retardedly expensive and we get free bus passes anyways With Gas, Insurance and Campus Parking alone im looking at around 550-650/mo. With that money, I'd much rather GTFO of my parents place and live on/near campus. Throw on-top the constant repair work that keeps creeping up and as a broke uni student, I'll be hooped. I also have to get my gas from Blaine, WA to save 40c/L and I don't think that I will be able to do that anymore while being a full time Computer Engineering student, especially if I end up at the University of Victoria which requires a $70 ferry ride to get off the damn island.

Sure gonna drive it like hell while I have it though since it is a very nice car, especially for the price...

And in regards to the convertibles steering like barges, I understand that they don't handle as well (18 seasons of TopGear ) however I do really like the IS 250C, the only thing is that even if I had the money, I would have to do an extended test drive. Wind noise is a bit of an issue for me since I don't like being that one jerk who is blasting music so hard that the surrounding 6 blocks can hear...hell, I turn down my music at stop lights when I have the windows open.

Back on the note of 'verts and their steering, it's not like a 'vert can't take a corner at 80km/h, because if it can't, then I AM looking at the wrong model...

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