Latest Dyno
03-27-2001, 01:25 AM
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Latest Dyno
I was hoping for 240hp and 200 lb ft but this is the best Kourtney could do today.
I'm pleased with the results but I need more power!
Forgot to mention that I shot some video of the pulls.
Yes, I know that the curves with headers and headers w/cai are fairly equal in the lower portion of the rmp band. I don't know why it cut off around 7200 rmps vs. 7400 on the other 2 pulls.
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[This message has been edited by Mike (edited 03-26-2001).]
I'm pleased with the results but I need more power!
Forgot to mention that I shot some video of the pulls.
Yes, I know that the curves with headers and headers w/cai are fairly equal in the lower portion of the rmp band. I don't know why it cut off around 7200 rmps vs. 7400 on the other 2 pulls.
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[This message has been edited by Mike (edited 03-26-2001).]
03-27-2001, 01:47 AM
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looking good Mike, by this time next week I should have charts of my car with the same stuff plus the V-AFC...
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03-27-2001, 01:54 AM
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nice fuckin results, better than mine 
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03-27-2001, 02:02 AM
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Cool Astro! I talked to my performance shop and they really don't think too highly of the vafc but I'd be very interested to see your dyno.
Type-s, what can i say?
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Type-s, what can i say?
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Astroboy:
looking good Mike, by this time next week I should have charts of my car with the same stuff plus the V-AFC...
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looking good Mike, by this time next week I should have charts of my car with the same stuff plus the V-AFC...
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03-27-2001, 02:24 AM
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sweet pull pops 
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"the needle got buried at 140.....1,500 RPM later...the tach got buried"
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"the needle got buried at 140.....1,500 RPM later...the tach got buried"
03-27-2001, 02:56 AM
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Thanks. Now get back in your room and finish studying!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by CLpower:
sweet pull pops
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sweet pull pops
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03-27-2001, 03:01 AM
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Thanks Eric. Let me guess...math was your favorite subject?
I have the tables you requested but it's six pages long. I'll scan and email them to you as soon as I get a chance.
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I have the tables you requested but it's six pages long. I'll scan and email them to you as soon as I get a chance.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by EricL:
Mike: You runs look good...
Well, it flywheel power checkout time
Calcs for flywheel to front wheel (assuming 20% loss):
296 - (296 * .20) = 236.80 HP wheels
Mike, your very close to the magic 300 mark!
315 - (315* .20) = 252.00 HP wheels
Reference to non-CA 3.5L Gen-I engine
Looks like your 19 HP shy of the 3.5L (at the flywheel).
OK, now is time to compare torque (remember, thats what wins races and pink slips [I didn't say it])
Mikes run with CAI and headers
248 - (248 * .20) ~= 198 ft-lbs (at wheels)
Mike's torque 248 @ flywheel
260 - (260 - .20) ~= 208 ft-lbs (at wheels)
Reference to non-CA 3.5L Gen-I engine's 260 ft-lbs @ flywheel
AND, your 10 ft-lbs shy of $5000
Not a bad day. After seeing the spark plug dyno, I wonder if you would get another 3-4hp.
Congrats!
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Mike: You runs look good...
Well, it flywheel power checkout time
Calcs for flywheel to front wheel (assuming 20% loss):
296 - (296 * .20) = 236.80 HP wheels
Mike, your very close to the magic 300 mark!
315 - (315* .20) = 252.00 HP wheels
Reference to non-CA 3.5L Gen-I engine
Looks like your 19 HP shy of the 3.5L (at the flywheel).
OK, now is time to compare torque (remember, thats what wins races and pink slips [I didn't say it]
)Mikes run with CAI and headers
248 - (248 * .20) ~= 198 ft-lbs (at wheels)
Mike's torque 248 @ flywheel
260 - (260 - .20) ~= 208 ft-lbs (at wheels)
Reference to non-CA 3.5L Gen-I engine's 260 ft-lbs @ flywheel
AND, your 10 ft-lbs shy of $5000
Not a bad day. After seeing the spark plug dyno, I wonder if you would get another 3-4hp.
Congrats!
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03-27-2001, 03:44 AM
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It looks like our cars lose more then 20% at the wheels. He lost about 22%, so he should be around 300hp to the flywheel. Nice runs by the way. You guys inspire me.
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03-27-2001, 03:50 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by spiroh:
It looks like our cars lose more then 20% at the wheels. He lost about 22%, so he should be around 300hp to the flywheel. Nice runs by the way. You guys inspire me.
spiro</font>
It looks like our cars lose more then 20% at the wheels. He lost about 22%, so he should be around 300hp to the flywheel. Nice runs by the way. You guys inspire me.
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198.8/260= .765 so loss is 23.5%. Therefore, Mike is actually at about 311hp at the flywheel.
03-27-2001, 05:43 AM
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any plans for a V-AFC controller?
I saw a friends controller in his MR2,
really sweet!
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03-27-2001, 06:01 AM
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nice dyno! finally confirms what headers and an intake can do. .
this reminds me, someone said comptech is making an "ice box" intake? does this use the factory filter? bah, i'll just call them tomorrow. .
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finally confirms what headers and an intake can do. .this reminds me, someone said comptech is making an "ice box" intake? does this use the factory filter? bah, i'll just call them tomorrow. .
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03-27-2001, 07:08 AM
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Congrats for the Excellent Dyno.
Well regardles wether it 20.5% or 23.5% loss.
Let is look at it this way:
Headers for $1300 installed.
CAI for $200.
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For $1500 you get an increase of 236.5/198.8 =18.96% Inrease in performance.
(i.e., 260x1.1896 = 309.3 HP!!!
)
I love it! CL-S cost $32k for $1,500 or 4.69% more you get 18.96% Inrease in performance. A very good deal for me.
For now I have a CAI. Headers sould come with my Suspension Upgrades!
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Well regardles wether it 20.5% or 23.5% loss.
Let is look at it this way:
Headers for $1300 installed.
CAI for $200.
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For $1500 you get an increase of 236.5/198.8 =18.96% Inrease in performance.
(i.e., 260x1.1896 = 309.3 HP!!!
)I love it! CL-S cost $32k for $1,500 or 4.69% more you get 18.96% Inrease in performance. A very good deal for me.
For now I have a CAI. Headers sould come with my Suspension Upgrades!
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03-27-2001, 10:38 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by EricL:
I wonder if Comptech did their dynos with stock or lighter rims?
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I wonder if Comptech did their dynos with stock or lighter rims?
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03-27-2001, 03:59 PM
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Very nice Mike!! Definitely very respectable numbers, that was nice to see.
BTW, yes I will be going soon, just one more addition to the car and I'll hit it...
BTW, yes I will be going soon, just one more addition to the car and I'll hit it...
03-27-2001, 04:57 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike:
Thanks! Will you be adding the pulleys?
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Thanks! Will you be adding the pulleys?
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But IMO, there is well more than 10% overage in the charging system. More on the lines of 30% at least.
So, if all goes well and fits accordingly I will schedule a trip to the dyno.
03-27-2001, 06:10 PM
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How many horses do you expect to gain?
Let us know about the differences in diameter too.
Don't suppose you be up for a before and afte dyno w/the pulleys?
empeters, stop, you're making me blush
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Let us know about the differences in diameter too.
Don't suppose you be up for a before and afte dyno w/the pulleys?
empeters, stop, you're making me blush
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by scalbert:
They are on order and in transit right now (just checked the tracking info). I'll check then out and see how they fit and what the difference is in diameter. Anything more than around 10% ratio change and I won't do it.
But IMO, there is well more than 10% overage in the charging system. More on the lines of 30% at least.
So, if all goes well and fits accordingly I will schedule a trip to the dyno.</font>
They are on order and in transit right now (just checked the tracking info). I'll check then out and see how they fit and what the difference is in diameter. Anything more than around 10% ratio change and I won't do it.
But IMO, there is well more than 10% overage in the charging system. More on the lines of 30% at least.
So, if all goes well and fits accordingly I will schedule a trip to the dyno.</font>
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03-27-2001, 06:10 PM
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Your math looks silly. It's backwards.
296 - (296 * .20) = 236.80 HP wheels
Looks like you're guessing the max hp, then
calculating the net and comparing that to
the dyno.
((236/80) * 100) = x; x = gross hp (20%)
((236/77) * 100) = x; x = gross hp (23%)
Both are correct, it's just how you look at it.
296 - (296 * .20) = 236.80 HP wheels
Looks like you're guessing the max hp, then
calculating the net and comparing that to
the dyno.
((236/80) * 100) = x; x = gross hp (20%)
((236/77) * 100) = x; x = gross hp (23%)
Both are correct, it's just how you look at it.
03-27-2001, 06:41 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Mike:
How many horses do you expect to gain?
Let us know about the differences in diameter too.
Don't suppose you be up for a before and afte dyno w/the pulleys?
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How many horses do you expect to gain?
Let us know about the differences in diameter too.
Don't suppose you be up for a before and afte dyno w/the pulleys?
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When they get it I'll mic both the AEM units and the stock pulleys for comparisson.
As for the comparisson dyno runs, it depends. I'm going to look into what tools and time will be needed for the swap. If I can swap them within 30 minutes with hand tools I will certainly do before/after runs as I did with the intake. It just costs a little more for the dyno time and is well worth the knowledge gained.
03-27-2001, 07:23 PM
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Good, at least you'll give it a shot.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by scalbert:
As for the comparisson dyno runs, it depends. I'm going to look into what tools and time will be needed for the swap. If I can swap them within 30 minutes with hand tools I will certainly do before/after runs as I did with the intake. It just costs a little more for the dyno time and is well worth the knowledge gained.</font>
As for the comparisson dyno runs, it depends. I'm going to look into what tools and time will be needed for the swap. If I can swap them within 30 minutes with hand tools I will certainly do before/after runs as I did with the intake. It just costs a little more for the dyno time and is well worth the knowledge gained.</font>
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03-27-2001, 08:29 PM
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On the Accord the stock alternator pulley is about 2 3/4 inches and the AEM pulley is 4 1/8 inches. The stock power steering is about 5 1/8 inches and the the AEM pulley is 5 1/2 inches.
I'll save my brain cells and let someone else due the math.
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I'll save my brain cells and let someone else due the math.
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03-27-2001, 09:56 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by scalbert:
They are on order and in transit right now (just checked the tracking info). I'll check then out and see how they fit and what the difference is in diameter. Anything more than around 10% ratio change and I won't do it.
But IMO, there is well more than 10% overage in the charging system. More on the lines of 30% at least.
So, if all goes well and fits accordingly I will schedule a trip to the dyno.</font>
They are on order and in transit right now (just checked the tracking info). I'll check then out and see how they fit and what the difference is in diameter. Anything more than around 10% ratio change and I won't do it.
But IMO, there is well more than 10% overage in the charging system. More on the lines of 30% at least.
So, if all goes well and fits accordingly I will schedule a trip to the dyno.</font>
03-28-2001, 08:39 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Closer:
Your math looks silly. It's backwards.
296 - (296 * .20) = 236.80 HP wheels
Looks like you're guessing the max hp, then
calculating the net and comparing that to
the dyno.
((236/80) * 100) = x; x = gross hp (20%)
((236/77) * 100) = x; x = gross hp (23%)
Both are correct, it's just how you look at it.</font>
Your math looks silly. It's backwards.
296 - (296 * .20) = 236.80 HP wheels
Looks like you're guessing the max hp, then
calculating the net and comparing that to
the dyno.
((236/80) * 100) = x; x = gross hp (20%)
((236/77) * 100) = x; x = gross hp (23%)
Both are correct, it's just how you look at it.</font>
I felt that way, but every day, I keep getting worn down. So, congrats -- you can claim victory for ridding me from the board.
You do the math, you are much smarter than I am. I wont ever bother to:
1. first, spend the time to figure our the exact result, then put it in an easy to view format.
2. for being so stupid to believe that a set of calcs with clearly defined data could be bashed.
You must be very proud of yourself...
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03-28-2001, 09:44 AM
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Hey EricL--don't take off. Just make your point and the new guys will catch on to the site etiquette sooner or later.
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03-28-2001, 11:45 AM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by blxmjx:
Scalbert, which pulleys did you order? I hope you didn't order the accord v6 pulleys.
They production units were test fitted today. They just need to be sent out for anodizing now.</font>
Scalbert, which pulleys did you order? I hope you didn't order the accord v6 pulleys.
They production units were test fitted today. They just need to be sent out for anodizing now.</font>
My main objective is to determine these differences and convey this information to the forum. Just call me impatient...
03-28-2001, 01:52 PM
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Could someone measure their CL-S pulley diameters and post them? I'm curious to see how much they differ from the Accord. My guess is that the alternator pulley would be even smaller than the Accords, since the CL-S has more power to play with.
03-28-2001, 02:35 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BNut:
Could someone measure their CL-S pulley diameters and post them? I'm curious to see how much they differ from the Accord. </font>
Could someone measure their CL-S pulley diameters and post them? I'm curious to see how much they differ from the Accord. </font>
03-28-2001, 04:51 PM
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Just went and picked up my car. I made some quick measurements of the pulleys. This is rough considering the caliper didn't want to sit straight, if/when I pull them I will be able to get actual measurements.
Alternator pulley: 2.70"
Power Steering pulley: 5.14"
The alternator and the power steering sizes seem to be close to what BNut saw on his Accord. Considering both measurements are within a tenth I would guess them to be the same.
Next question is the mounting. I beleive the alternator has splines but the power steering pulley is keyed?? We'll see soon though and I'll check the manual tonight.
Alternator pulley: 2.70"
Power Steering pulley: 5.14"
The alternator and the power steering sizes seem to be close to what BNut saw on his Accord. Considering both measurements are within a tenth I would guess them to be the same.
Next question is the mounting. I beleive the alternator has splines but the power steering pulley is keyed?? We'll see soon though and I'll check the manual tonight.
03-28-2001, 05:16 PM
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Geez... I just like computing hp, salary, tax and stuff like that. Just thought I was making it easier for people to figure out their hp on their own. This way you can nearly do it in your head. I'm sorry if my post to show an easier way hurt your feelings.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by EricL:
You know, the guy that did all of the plug tests had a point. He said, I do all of this stuff, since I like helping people, but all they do is compain. I asked him why he bothered, and he said he wanted to share.
I felt that way, but every day, I keep getting worn down. So, congrats -- you can claim victory for ridding me from the board.
You do the math, you are much smarter than I am. I wont ever bother to:
1. first, spend the time to figure our the exact result, then put it in an easy to view format.
2. for being so stupid to believe that a set of calcs with clearly defined data could be bashed.
You must be very proud of yourself...
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You know, the guy that did all of the plug tests had a point. He said, I do all of this stuff, since I like helping people, but all they do is compain. I asked him why he bothered, and he said he wanted to share.
I felt that way, but every day, I keep getting worn down. So, congrats -- you can claim victory for ridding me from the board.
You do the math, you are much smarter than I am. I wont ever bother to:
1. first, spend the time to figure our the exact result, then put it in an easy to view format.
2. for being so stupid to believe that a set of calcs with clearly defined data could be bashed.
You must be very proud of yourself...
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