LA Times Article follow-up
09-18-2002, 03:02 PM
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LA Times Article follow-up
Copied from today's "Logbook" section of LA Time's Highway1 page:
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American Honda Motor Co. says the four-and five-speed automatic transmission woes reported in last week's Highway 1 have occurred in just 1.6% of the 1 million Hondas and Acuras sold with those transmissions.
The day after the story ran, it seemed as if the owners of most of those cars with transmission problems were online, e-mailing more tales of woe and seeking more assistance. One thing consistently asked for that wasn't provided in the original article were the addresses of the online forums dedicated to Acura and Honda transmission problems.
So here they are.
The only one with a specific transmission problem discussion is:
www.acura-cl.com/forums. Go to "Frequent Topics" and the transmission problems forum is the first one listed.
Eric Lear, the Webmaster, says he welcomes input from fans as well as foes. An ongoing poll, for instance, shows that most respondents have not had any problem with their Acura transmissions--a result in line with Honda's figures.
Lear's forum is dedicated to the Acura CL coupe. There is another forum, www.acura-tl.com, for owners of the Acura sedan. Go to the "forums" header, then "TL discussion," where a number of topics, including transmission problems, are kicked around.
And for Honda owners (the four-speed automatics on V-6 equipped Accords and Odyssey minivans are the ones that can have problems) there's www.v6accord.com/forums, which has a continuing transmission discussion under the "performance parts" heading.
American Honda Motor Co. says the four-and five-speed automatic transmission woes reported in last week's Highway 1 have occurred in just 1.6% of the 1 million Hondas and Acuras sold with those transmissions.
The day after the story ran, it seemed as if the owners of most of those cars with transmission problems were online, e-mailing more tales of woe and seeking more assistance. One thing consistently asked for that wasn't provided in the original article were the addresses of the online forums dedicated to Acura and Honda transmission problems.
So here they are.
The only one with a specific transmission problem discussion is:
www.acura-cl.com/forums. Go to "Frequent Topics" and the transmission problems forum is the first one listed.
Eric Lear, the Webmaster, says he welcomes input from fans as well as foes. An ongoing poll, for instance, shows that most respondents have not had any problem with their Acura transmissions--a result in line with Honda's figures.
Lear's forum is dedicated to the Acura CL coupe. There is another forum, www.acura-tl.com, for owners of the Acura sedan. Go to the "forums" header, then "TL discussion," where a number of topics, including transmission problems, are kicked around.
And for Honda owners (the four-speed automatics on V-6 equipped Accords and Odyssey minivans are the ones that can have problems) there's www.v6accord.com/forums, which has a continuing transmission discussion under the "performance parts" heading.
09-18-2002, 03:08 PM
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Re: LA Times Article follow-up
Originally posted by RandyMax
Copied from today's "Logbook" section of LA Time's Highway1 page:
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American Honda Motor Co. says the four-and five-speed automatic transmission woes reported in last week's Highway 1 have occurred in just 1.6% of the 1 million Hondas and Acuras sold with those transmissions.
Copied from today's "Logbook" section of LA Time's Highway1 page:
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American Honda Motor Co. says the four-and five-speed automatic transmission woes reported in last week's Highway 1 have occurred in just 1.6% of the 1 million Hondas and Acuras sold with those transmissions.
A-cl.com gettin some props! 
Just hope we dont' shut down 
09-18-2002, 03:21 PM
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I find it hard to believe that out of 16000 people with transmission failures not a SINGLE accident has been reported. I live in Atlanta, and travel I-285 all the time (considered by most analysts to be one of the worst stretches of interstate in the country) I know if I was doing 75 miles per hour, and there was a car that was keeping its normal Atlanta-Driver's-two-inch-margin from my rear bumper, and my car downshifted to second from 5th, I'd be roadfood. Disheartening that Honda Motor Company can just dismiss 16000 faulty transmissions (16000 gets a lot more attention than 1.6% since most people in the news-reading world aren't known math majors). I have been having a similar problem with my M5 (2000), been through 2 clutches in 30,000 miles. BMWNA warranted the first two @ two grand a piece, they said the next one is on me, and yet there is a petition with 115 OTHER M5 owners with the same problem...same B.S. story from BMW...not enough to be a problem. Guess its not going to be until someone hits either company where it hurts (their wallets in a lawsuit when a family member dies) that they are going to get off their lazy a$$es and do something about THEIR problems affecting THEIR customers (last time I checked...didnt we inevitably sign all these guys paychecks when we buy our cars??). Just my 2c worth...
09-18-2002, 03:29 PM
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I find it hard to believe that out of 16000 people with transmission failures not a SINGLE accident has been reported. I live in Atlanta, and travel I-285 all the time (considered by most analysts to be one of the worst stretches of interstate in the country) I know if I was doing 75 miles per hour, and there was a car that was keeping its normal Atlanta-Driver's-two-inch-margin from my rear bumper, and my car downshifted to second from 5th, I'd be roadfood.......
I find it hard to believe that out of 16000 people with transmission failures not a SINGLE accident has been reported. I live in Atlanta, and travel I-285 all the time (considered by most analysts to be one of the worst stretches of interstate in the country) I know if I was doing 75 miles per hour, and there was a car that was keeping its normal Atlanta-Driver's-two-inch-margin from my rear bumper, and my car downshifted to second from 5th, I'd be roadfood.......
09-18-2002, 04:07 PM
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American Honda Motor Co. says the four-and five-speed automatic transmission woes reported in last week's Highway 1 have occurred in just 1.6% of the 1 million Hondas and Acuras sold with those transmissions.
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09-18-2002, 04:25 PM
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LOUD applaud to ALL those that made this AWARENESS take place ! This is just the beggining of the fault HONDA is accepting ! :P
09-18-2002, 04:40 PM
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I'm really stunned that Acura has not done something about damage control on this. People reading that there have been 16,000 tranny failures are not going to buy this car if they are looking for stability. At least to assure people by upping the warranty to 100,000 on the drive train.
09-18-2002, 04:46 PM
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woohoo, nice one Eric webmaster 
09-18-2002, 05:27 PM
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If you guys take a look at the Transmission Problems board, you'll see that copland007 just had his new transmission go out on him after 512 miles. This is so pathetic.
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=78841
http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=78841
09-18-2002, 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by Astroboy
woohoo, nice one Eric webmaster
woohoo, nice one Eric webmaster
Yeah, I should send you the copy of the original letter sent to the editor...
Webmaster == Moderator ???
NO tranny problems?????
09-18-2002, 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by Rod
We should attempt to get them to give us a breakdown of the transmission failures by model and generation/year. This would paint a much more accurate picture for us. I'm sure they're including the four cylinder Accords here which of course makes American Honda Motor Co. look much better since these cars probably don't have enough torque in stock form to blow the trannies.
We should attempt to get them to give us a breakdown of the transmission failures by model and generation/year. This would paint a much more accurate picture for us. I'm sure they're including the four cylinder Accords here which of course makes American Honda Motor Co. look much better since these cars probably don't have enough torque in stock form to blow the trannies.
I'm sure they are sorry that they didn't have a non-VTEC 1.2L V6 that could have been included in the stats provided to the LATimes. (A bunch of 80HP/80lb-ft eco-hybrids would have been a wonderful addition to the aggregate stats...)
09-19-2002, 02:06 AM
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Hey guys just wanted to say that I hope you all participated too. I sent this email to the editor to make sure he saw accordv6.com's poll where 30% had a tranny replaced atleast once and this website so he could see the issues involved were more than he had written about. Once the story was on accordv6.com I replied to the author of the story and posted the thread so everyone could read it.
http://v6accord.com/forums/showthrea...5&pagenumber=3
Mr. Odell,
Your article that was placed onto the internet titled, Honda's Unexpected Gear Shift was posted on a website called www.accordv6.com were there are 2200+ members to date. What you may be interested is that we held a poll for 98-02 Accord V6's about a month ago with that same transmission in question you have wrote about. Out of the 200+ that has actually taken the poll, 30% of the members on our board so far have logged in and said that they have had a transmission replaced. Many of the people have had them replaced no questions asked, but many dealerships are blaming aftermarket parts that are installed, so they do not have to eat the cost of replacement and will attempt to void our warranties.
I have included the poll for you.
http://v6accord.com/forums/showthre...=&threadid=1603
The way the site was setup you may not see the poll unless you register, so to make it easy, I will submit the results.
Has Your AV6 Tranny Died?
NO - No Problems Whatsoever 70.81%
YES - Heavy Abuse 2.39%
YES - Moderate Abuse 6.70%
YES - Spirited Driving / Extreme Conditions 5.26%
YES - Minor Abuse 7.18 %
YES - Road Hazard 1.44%
YES - Got Me ?!?!?! 3.35%
YES - Other 2.87%
In my situation I am showing the very first signs of failure. A normal running Honda Auto 4 speed transmission will shift if floored at about 6200 rpms (at redline). My transmission in first gear will shift at 6600, well into the redline and hitting the rev limiter. This is something that may happen to a stick shift transmission to a driver not paying attention, not for an automatic.
On the behalf of www.accordv6.com we would all like to thank you for writing this column. If you need any information on this situation in the future check out these sites. This has been something that a lot of owners have been fighting with Honda about since 1998 transmissions came out not 2000.
www.accordv6.com
www.acura-cl.com
Thanks,
Garrett Gauer
http://v6accord.com/forums/showthrea...5&pagenumber=3
Mr. Odell,
Your article that was placed onto the internet titled, Honda's Unexpected Gear Shift was posted on a website called www.accordv6.com were there are 2200+ members to date. What you may be interested is that we held a poll for 98-02 Accord V6's about a month ago with that same transmission in question you have wrote about. Out of the 200+ that has actually taken the poll, 30% of the members on our board so far have logged in and said that they have had a transmission replaced. Many of the people have had them replaced no questions asked, but many dealerships are blaming aftermarket parts that are installed, so they do not have to eat the cost of replacement and will attempt to void our warranties.
I have included the poll for you.
http://v6accord.com/forums/showthre...=&threadid=1603
The way the site was setup you may not see the poll unless you register, so to make it easy, I will submit the results.
Has Your AV6 Tranny Died?
NO - No Problems Whatsoever 70.81%
YES - Heavy Abuse 2.39%
YES - Moderate Abuse 6.70%
YES - Spirited Driving / Extreme Conditions 5.26%
YES - Minor Abuse 7.18 %
YES - Road Hazard 1.44%
YES - Got Me ?!?!?! 3.35%
YES - Other 2.87%
In my situation I am showing the very first signs of failure. A normal running Honda Auto 4 speed transmission will shift if floored at about 6200 rpms (at redline). My transmission in first gear will shift at 6600, well into the redline and hitting the rev limiter. This is something that may happen to a stick shift transmission to a driver not paying attention, not for an automatic.
On the behalf of www.accordv6.com we would all like to thank you for writing this column. If you need any information on this situation in the future check out these sites. This has been something that a lot of owners have been fighting with Honda about since 1998 transmissions came out not 2000.
www.accordv6.com
www.acura-cl.com
Thanks,
Garrett Gauer
09-19-2002, 03:15 AM
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Originally posted by AtlantaCLTypeS
I find it hard to believe that out of 16000 people with transmission failures not a SINGLE accident has been reported. I live in Atlanta, and travel I-285 all the time (considered by most analysts to be one of the worst stretches of interstate in the country) I know if I was doing 75 miles per hour, and there was a car that was keeping its normal Atlanta-Driver's-two-inch-margin from my rear bumper, and my car downshifted to second from 5th, I'd be roadfood. Disheartening that Honda Motor Company can just dismiss 16000 faulty transmissions (16000 gets a lot more attention than 1.6% since most people in the news-reading world aren't known math majors). I have been having a similar problem with my M5 (2000), been through 2 clutches in 30,000 miles. BMWNA warranted the first two @ two grand a piece, they said the next one is on me, and yet there is a petition with 115 OTHER M5 owners with the same problem...same B.S. story from BMW...not enough to be a problem. Guess its not going to be until someone hits either company where it hurts (their wallets in a lawsuit when a family member dies) that they are going to get off their lazy a$$es and do something about THEIR problems affecting THEIR customers (last time I checked...didnt we inevitably sign all these guys paychecks when we buy our cars??). Just my 2c worth...
I find it hard to believe that out of 16000 people with transmission failures not a SINGLE accident has been reported. I live in Atlanta, and travel I-285 all the time (considered by most analysts to be one of the worst stretches of interstate in the country) I know if I was doing 75 miles per hour, and there was a car that was keeping its normal Atlanta-Driver's-two-inch-margin from my rear bumper, and my car downshifted to second from 5th, I'd be roadfood. Disheartening that Honda Motor Company can just dismiss 16000 faulty transmissions (16000 gets a lot more attention than 1.6% since most people in the news-reading world aren't known math majors). I have been having a similar problem with my M5 (2000), been through 2 clutches in 30,000 miles. BMWNA warranted the first two @ two grand a piece, they said the next one is on me, and yet there is a petition with 115 OTHER M5 owners with the same problem...same B.S. story from BMW...not enough to be a problem. Guess its not going to be until someone hits either company where it hurts (their wallets in a lawsuit when a family member dies) that they are going to get off their lazy a$$es and do something about THEIR problems affecting THEIR customers (last time I checked...didnt we inevitably sign all these guys paychecks when we buy our cars??). Just my 2c worth...
I'm sure there are cases of accidents...and I'm sure Acura Customer Relations has heard/logged these cases. But not all of the customers affected have come forward and reported their stories here or any other public front.
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