Attempting to decide between these tires. I already have a winter tire so these will be for my summer rims. I"M thinking 17x8 rim with a 235/40/17 tire size.

 

Kumho Ecsta Supra 712's are very good tires for the money. Otherwise they're not particularly spectacular and will not allow your car to anything beyond what you would expect an "ultra-high performance tire" (Tire Rack's classification scheme) to enable it to do.

They're a godsend for people who go through tires like water, which is why I use them as daily drivers. (Of course, I keep a set of "special event" tires/wheels for all-out performance.) They're actually kind of fun in that their lower limits allow you to play with a bit tail-out easier. That might be applicable to a 6-speed owner inclined to play with the E-brake. And you don't have to worry about losing half the tread depth after a bit of hard play, as you might with a soft-compound tire.

Points of reference:
Pirelli P6000
Yokohama AVS Intermediate
Bridgestone Potenza RE040
Bridgestone Potenza S-02
Falken Azenis Sport

 

I've had no problem's with my Kumho and they are GREAT for the MONEY........they are definiely ALOT stickier then stock..... Toyo's rock, but their tread wear is terrible....... expect to go through those fairly quickly.

 

Check the Yoko ES100

 

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....rehawk+SZ50+EP

treadwear for 340, excellent reviews on tirerack. and decently priced.

 

Toyos rule the world Treadwear has been excellent, and i pound them !!

 

toyo proxes fz4, the are great in snow, i have them on 19s i was going like 75 in 6inchs of snow, sticks like glue and they are all season tire.

 

check out regular Pilot Sports...with an 8in rim width, u can stick on a 255/45/17 tire!!!

do i sound like a broken record???

 

How many miles do you normaly get out of the Kuhmos??

 

Toyos. Had a VERY good experience with these tires.


AWESOME in the wet too.

 

 

Yea thanks for the tips. I really didn't want to spend more than 110 per tire so the kuhmos and the toyos seemed to be the only ones out there. Since these tires would be on for about 8 months out of the year i can't have the treadwear REAL low. That's why i'm leaning towards the toyos.

 

where on earth r u gonna find T1-S's for $110 or less new???

when u find out, lemme know!!!

the Toyo's r in the same ballpark as our stock Michelin's, which r in the $170 area

if $110's yer budget, u may find the following tires to work

Falken GR Beta FK-451
Falken Azenis ST115
Hankook Ventus K102
Nitto NT 555 Extreme Performance
Pirelli P6000
Yokohama AVS ES100

 

Toyo Proxes TS1 $173/tire crap, for some reason i thought they were cheaper. Fawk.....


how much are they?

 

they range from around 100 - 110 and up...in all honesty, yer gonna have a hard time finding a decent tire for the $$...shop around on TireRack, VictoriaTire, and Tires.com with the above tires...see what u can find

 

No go on the Pilot Sports........... with a treadwear rate of 220 i'll be replacing them once a year...not a chance. Looks like i might just have to bit the bullet and get the toyos.

BTW,
what is the treadwear rating on the toyos?

 

280 treadwear on the Toyo's

 

good god man! fawkin a.......the search continues

 

yeah, that would look neat, and you could go muddin' too




the toyo's are much lighter than the kumhos. this is the reason i will be getting them, otherwise the kumhos are great. mine are even wearing fine, w/ a 3" drop, no camber kits

why did you think the toyos were inexpensive? they are crazy expensive where i live.

 

Dunno why i thought that. Yeah the kuhmos are just too heavy....even for that cheap.

 

some food for thought ~


- your car will be faster

- you will have to lower your car a lot or it will look silly

- your speedo will be off approx 4% :o

- every 16 miles you drive, you will rack up an extra mile on the odo :'(


choose wisely, mah friend

 

what's wrong with the firehawks i recommended earlier? 340 treadware, and there won the tirerack.com survey for ultra high performance tire.

 

I got my Kuhmos 235/45/17 for $95/ a peice. Out the door price from Discount Tire was $500 with warranty, install, balance, etc. I run through tires quickly cuz I drive alot. The tread on the kuhmo's, however is very noticable so everyone will know that you bought the cheapest tire. If that is an issue don't get them. I myself could care less what anyone thinks. They drive great and I still some money in my pockets.

 

Yea, i was doing the calc's just now hmmm perhaps a 225/40. Yes, i do plan on lowering the car...teinSS


Beenkurd,
hmmm i'll have to check them out. I haven't discounted anything yet Thanks for the tip!

 

225/45-17 owns you.


ask JRock.

 

Only reason i suggested 40 profile is i wanted a nice sport look. I"ll take some pics of my 4x4 setup tomorrow and post them......you'll see why i was shooting so low.

 

Hmmm... I paid around $700 for "everything" -- including a never-ending "flood” of post card reminders for free balance and rotate -- and I will never go back to Washington Tire since they were such "dicks" when I wanted to take up about 20-minutes of their precious time (for a SSR center cap issue).

There is probably some wisdom in what DtEW said; the Kuhmos seem to be very inexpensive and if you need to burn up tires at auto-x events, etc , find the minimum $$$ tire that will do.

The Toyo T1S can be had for around $140-$150 depending on vendor. Treadepot.com has a website with today's prices set at:

$154 => 235/45-17 T1S
$145 => 235/40-17 T1S


In the end, it is about 40-50 bucks more per tire (about $160 - $200 pre set more).

There are some people that are "rip-offs" and are determined to charge obscene amounts for the Toyos

There is the weight issue too. The Kuhmos are heavier. The Toyos are lighter. A “guesstimate” of other brands can be obtained by calling Tire Rack (and others) and asking for the shipping weight (it's not perfect, but the “method” can give you an idea of approximate weight if you ALSO get the shipping weight of tires with published weights.).

 

245/40-17 T1s are being run on a non-lowered CLS with zero problems. I don't know if that setup works with the Comptechs or with lowering.

They have a lower weight than the 235/45-17 and more effective torque. They are also lighter.

The 235/40-17 (when compared to a 235/45-17) might exacerbate the SUV look (depending on drop).

Someone mentioned 255/40-17. I think that is getting "iffy" in the fit department -- you wouldn't want to lower the sucker and I think it might rub even on non-lowered cars.

 

i think you will get that look w/ the 225/45-17. much less sidewall than you have now, but not much more than the 235/40's.

if i was buying 17" again i would get this size.

 

Zapata if ur going Teins adjustable lower the car 1.50 all around dont believe youll need camber adjustment for 1.50 in rear. Also get the T1s in the 225/45 like Mattg said with the car lowered like that and those tires = a phat ass looking ride

 

mattg, EricL, lou,
Thanks fo da tips!


EricL,
How many miles do you have on your TOYOs?