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03-27-2003, 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by typeR
no ...the stiffness is an independant adjustement...there are between 3 and 5 perch settings depending on model koni yellow purchased where the car could be lowered or raised ... 1 up 1 down or 2 up 2 down...BTW i just got my koni yellows today the SP3 neuspeed special purchase ones with 5 positions and more aggressive damping as well as 20mm short shaft...may install them tommorrow...along with the mugen Tstat and fanswitch
no ...the stiffness is an independant adjustement...there are between 3 and 5 perch settings depending on model koni yellow purchased where the car could be lowered or raised ... 1 up 1 down or 2 up 2 down...BTW i just got my koni yellows today the SP3 neuspeed special purchase ones with 5 positions and more aggressive damping as well as 20mm short shaft...may install them tommorrow...along with the mugen Tstat and fanswitch
03-28-2003, 01:38 AM
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i am running with tokico illuminas and comptech springs with stock wheels and tires. AND IT RUNS PERFECT
i have the rear set at 3 and the front set at 2 i think they work great!!!!
i paid 100 for springs and 350 for the shocks and struts from ebay and install for 150 for everything
sidemarker
i have the rear set at 3 and the front set at 2 i think they work great!!!!
i paid 100 for springs and 350 for the shocks and struts from ebay and install for 150 for everything
sidemarker
03-28-2003, 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by Rod
SP3 Neuspeed special purchase ones? Do you have a link to more info on these...and how much more are they than the regular Koni Yellows? Does the 20mm short shaft mean that they will automatically lower the ride height by 20mm? Also, how much ride height adjustability do they offer...meaning, how much lower will they allow you to go with Comptech springs and at what increments? And doesn't using a lower than stock perch with aftermarket springs void the shocks' warranty. Sorry about all the questions.
SP3 Neuspeed special purchase ones? Do you have a link to more info on these...and how much more are they than the regular Koni Yellows? Does the 20mm short shaft mean that they will automatically lower the ride height by 20mm? Also, how much ride height adjustability do they offer...meaning, how much lower will they allow you to go with Comptech springs and at what increments? And doesn't using a lower than stock perch with aftermarket springs void the shocks' warranty. Sorry about all the questions.
the saft is shorter to have less travel nothing to do with the ridde height...the ride can be lowered or raised .50 in either direction
03-28-2003, 07:16 AM
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Nova,
That's why I said I'd like to know where you get it done. Apparently most of the cost is in the labor. From what research I've done on the shocks (Koni's and Tokico's) they take off the original shocks then reuse the top portion that mounts the new shock to the car. The performance shop I called in Fairfax said that its a good day's worth of labor--hence the high price. They also said by the time you spend more than $1,000 for labor you might as well do the shocks and the springs at the same time. Quote for springs was about $400.00.
IF this is not true, I certainly would like to know!
Thanks!
That's why I said I'd like to know where you get it done. Apparently most of the cost is in the labor. From what research I've done on the shocks (Koni's and Tokico's) they take off the original shocks then reuse the top portion that mounts the new shock to the car. The performance shop I called in Fairfax said that its a good day's worth of labor--hence the high price. They also said by the time you spend more than $1,000 for labor you might as well do the shocks and the springs at the same time. Quote for springs was about $400.00.
IF this is not true, I certainly would like to know!
Thanks!
03-28-2003, 09:58 AM
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i´m getting konis when i return home this summer from spain. does anybody have any idea how to adjust the shocks to acheive fore and aft bias closest to stock to be used as a baseline for adjustments? and what setting would be closest or equal to stock?
03-28-2003, 12:25 PM
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Like Mattg I have the original Koni Yellows with 2 perches. Koni doesn't recommend lower perch unless for racing on smooth surface. Koni Yellows lower my car to where rear is slightly lower than front thus giving better weight transfer! Had rear seats out for a month to figure what best settings were. I can't imagine anyone putting in new performance shocks with stock springs. Ride will suffer and stock springs won't handle the stiff Koni even at softest setting for very long before wearing out! Goodluck everyone with your installs.
03-28-2003, 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by sundance_gold
Nova,
That's why I said I'd like to know where you get it done. Apparently most of the cost is in the labor. From what research I've done on the shocks (Koni's and Tokico's) they take off the original shocks then reuse the top portion that mounts the new shock to the car. The performance shop I called in Fairfax said that its a good day's worth of labor--hence the high price. They also said by the time you spend more than $1,000 for labor you might as well do the shocks and the springs at the same time. Quote for springs was about $400.00.
IF this is not true, I certainly would like to know!
Thanks!
Nova,
That's why I said I'd like to know where you get it done. Apparently most of the cost is in the labor. From what research I've done on the shocks (Koni's and Tokico's) they take off the original shocks then reuse the top portion that mounts the new shock to the car. The performance shop I called in Fairfax said that its a good day's worth of labor--hence the high price. They also said by the time you spend more than $1,000 for labor you might as well do the shocks and the springs at the same time. Quote for springs was about $400.00.
IF this is not true, I certainly would like to know!
Thanks!
03-29-2003, 09:52 PM
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Just posting an e-mail I received from Neuspeed that some of you may find useful.
Hello,
There are 5 grooves on the shock body that are seperated by a distance
of about 10mm. they come factory set at the center groove. Theoretically,
you can lower your car about .75" with stock springs or aftermarket springs.
Using aftermarket springs will not void the warranty. For further product
information, ordering procedures, or a dealer near you, please feel free to
give our sales staff a call at (800)423-3623 or (805)388-7171 or you may fax
them at (805)388-0030. Thank you for your inquiry!
Best regards,
Danny
www.neuspeed.com
There are 5 grooves on the shock body that are seperated by a distance
of about 10mm. they come factory set at the center groove. Theoretically,
you can lower your car about .75" with stock springs or aftermarket springs.
Using aftermarket springs will not void the warranty. For further product
information, ordering procedures, or a dealer near you, please feel free to
give our sales staff a call at (800)423-3623 or (805)388-7171 or you may fax
them at (805)388-0030. Thank you for your inquiry!
Best regards,
Danny
www.neuspeed.com
03-29-2003, 09:59 PM
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sundance, call up vertex in tysons corner. ask for steve he's the manager and worked on ATLEAST 10 diff CL/TL CL-S, TL-S in the area. including all of my work. it should be no more than 200 for labor, plus the insurance of knowing he worked on other acl.com and atl.com members rides
03-30-2003, 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by typeR
should be one above also...currently hidden by your spring...
should be one above also...currently hidden by your spring...
no, there are only 2 on the set i have, or had.
03-30-2003, 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by NOVAwhiteTypeS
300 Dollar MAX for labor + 500 for parts = 800 MAX this is w/ koni yellows jeezus
300 Dollar MAX for labor + 500 for parts = 800 MAX this is w/ koni yellows jeezus
yellows are more like $600 shipped, and that's a good deal. most places want $800, like TireRack.
03-30-2003, 02:22 PM
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I'm running Tokico Illuminas set at 2 with Comptech springs. 1 is close to stock and 3 is on the firm side for street. I haven't tried dialing them up to 5 yet. The setup is very solid. I've been using Tokico struts in my cars for 12 years and they have been very good to me. The factory support is also why I stick with them. After 10 years on one of my cars, they swapped them out without a question.
The perch adjustment is definitely a plus if you're going to use it. If no, it just becomes another point of failure/problem.
The perch adjustment is definitely a plus if you're going to use it. If no, it just becomes another point of failure/problem.
04-01-2003, 12:47 AM
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04-01-2003, 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by NOLACLS
Did anyone take pics of there back set with the holes drilled so they can adjust them with out pulling out the back seat???
Did anyone take pics of there back set with the holes drilled so they can adjust them with out pulling out the back seat???
04-01-2003, 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by NOLACLS
Did anyone take pics of there back set with the holes drilled so they can adjust them with out pulling out the back seat???
Did anyone take pics of there back set with the holes drilled so they can adjust them with out pulling out the back seat???
04-02-2003, 08:17 AM
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I cant host them but you can e mail them to me if ya want. mguidry@dofs.net
04-02-2003, 07:58 PM
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Originally posted by NOLACLS
I cant host them but you can e mail them to me if ya want. mguidry@dofs.net
I cant host them but you can e mail them to me if ya want. mguidry@dofs.net
04-02-2003, 08:08 PM
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joekim13@hotmail.com send them to me!! i'll host it
04-02-2003, 08:43 PM
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Things I've learned from this thread:
I've scheduled Comptech spring installation and I was going to keep my stock shocks to maintain the current ride. I'll go with aftermarket shocks after the OEMs fail (hopefully in a couple years) -- just trying to get some info.
I've scheduled Comptech spring installation and I was going to keep my stock shocks to maintain the current ride. I'll go with aftermarket shocks after the OEMs fail (hopefully in a couple years) -- just trying to get some info.
04-02-2003, 10:09 PM
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Mine are the same as yours and at the lower perch setting they are too low. About another 3/4" and I did not want to have to purchase a camber kit.
Originally posted by mattg
there are only 2 height settings on the yellows, stock and lower perch.
at least thats how mine were.
:edit: i see you got different ones
there are only 2 height settings on the yellows, stock and lower perch.
at least thats how mine were.
:edit: i see you got different ones
04-03-2003, 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by NOVAwhiteTypeS
joekim13@hotmail.com send them to me!! i'll host it
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04-03-2003, 03:26 PM
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how did they extend the adjuster nipple 
04-03-2003, 06:17 PM
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sorry about the focus, i was having a hard time with my camera last night.
mattg, i'm really not sure how he extended it, i never asked....i guess if anyone happens to be at PAA, they can ask Jens how he did it.....i am supposed to bring my car there in a week or two and i'll ask him then
if anyone wants to call them, talk to pete, he knows which one is my car
mattg, i'm really not sure how he extended it, i never asked....i guess if anyone happens to be at PAA, they can ask Jens how he did it.....i am supposed to bring my car there in a week or two and i'll ask him then
if anyone wants to call them, talk to pete, he knows which one is my car
04-05-2003, 11:37 PM
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YOU RANGGGGGGG SIR ????
Ok here is the trick to the rear strut adjusters .I was in a panic the first time I installed these Konis as the damn adjusters are too short to clear the rear deck .So of to the scrap pile insearch of a solution .In my case and what I have been doing is making extensions out of old trunk springs .We have lot's of old trunk springs lying around since every spoiler we do also comes with new springs .I cut two pieces about 3 inches or so long .Each piece is now slotted on one end so that it easily over the blade that is normally used to adjust the strut .I use a die grinder with a cut off wheel to make the slot .On the other end a few minutes on the bench grinder creates a blade just like the one that is on the strut so that the supplied Koni "key" or "tool" can be used to adjust the strut .
Now the hassle in this is that the Konis use a hard as hell steel for the adjuster shaft making drilling this tiny thing a hassle .Fortuanately there is an easy out .I use a V shaped file to cut a deep notch on one side of the adjuster blade and a corresponding notch on the extension piece .The thing here is that a somewhat sloppy loose fit is what is needed here ,As someone else noted the struts aim straight at the speaker grills .Now that you have this made up I use a bit of safety wire to attach the extension to the Koni adjuster .Make sure the wire sits in the grooves of both the extension and the Koni adjuster .I have an old fashioned set of safety wire pliers to make the wire nice and tight ,The trick is to get the wire in that groove on both parts .Once this is done the extension can now adjust the strut while still having a bit of flexibility much like a U joint .
Next poke two small holes in the rear deck from the top down .Do not use a drill for this it will most definitely mess up that fuzz they cover the rear deck with .just use a philips screw driver .Next take a bit of plain old grease and coat the extension shaft and slide it in the new holes .Do not forget the grease or else you will end up with a squeek .put the car together and have some fun.
I realize that this would be better with some pictures so next time i do a set i will try to get a few shots in .Also i actually assemble the whole thing after the struts are in the car .It is much easier than trying to finagle the extensions through the rear deck ,but your mileage may vary .I think in total I spend about an hour on this ,
After it is al said and done the extensions are more or less lost in the fuzz of the rear deck and few people notice them ,in fact one customer called me to ask where they were .
Hope it helps ,Jens
Ok here is the trick to the rear strut adjusters .I was in a panic the first time I installed these Konis as the damn adjusters are too short to clear the rear deck .So of to the scrap pile insearch of a solution .In my case and what I have been doing is making extensions out of old trunk springs .We have lot's of old trunk springs lying around since every spoiler we do also comes with new springs .I cut two pieces about 3 inches or so long .Each piece is now slotted on one end so that it easily over the blade that is normally used to adjust the strut .I use a die grinder with a cut off wheel to make the slot .On the other end a few minutes on the bench grinder creates a blade just like the one that is on the strut so that the supplied Koni "key" or "tool" can be used to adjust the strut .
Now the hassle in this is that the Konis use a hard as hell steel for the adjuster shaft making drilling this tiny thing a hassle .Fortuanately there is an easy out .I use a V shaped file to cut a deep notch on one side of the adjuster blade and a corresponding notch on the extension piece .The thing here is that a somewhat sloppy loose fit is what is needed here ,As someone else noted the struts aim straight at the speaker grills .Now that you have this made up I use a bit of safety wire to attach the extension to the Koni adjuster .Make sure the wire sits in the grooves of both the extension and the Koni adjuster .I have an old fashioned set of safety wire pliers to make the wire nice and tight ,The trick is to get the wire in that groove on both parts .Once this is done the extension can now adjust the strut while still having a bit of flexibility much like a U joint .
Next poke two small holes in the rear deck from the top down .Do not use a drill for this it will most definitely mess up that fuzz they cover the rear deck with .just use a philips screw driver .Next take a bit of plain old grease and coat the extension shaft and slide it in the new holes .Do not forget the grease or else you will end up with a squeek .put the car together and have some fun.
I realize that this would be better with some pictures so next time i do a set i will try to get a few shots in .Also i actually assemble the whole thing after the struts are in the car .It is much easier than trying to finagle the extensions through the rear deck ,but your mileage may vary .I think in total I spend about an hour on this ,
After it is al said and done the extensions are more or less lost in the fuzz of the rear deck and few people notice them ,in fact one customer called me to ask where they were .
Hope it helps ,Jens
04-10-2003, 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Slimey
...One question - Do Tokicos lower the car at all?
...One question - Do Tokicos lower the car at all?
so are tokicos my best bet and is it true that i will have the same height as i have now with prokits and stock shocks?
04-11-2003, 10:06 AM
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about vertex....
I just tried to look them up via the web (Vertex Motorsports, right?) and no one picked up the number. Do you by chance have their number--in case I'm dialing an outdated one?
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