2001 silver bullet CL S

i got a acura cl type s a about 1.5 year ago,when i got the car it only had 27000 mil on it now i got 41000. It only cost me $14.500 thats why i got it, dont get me wrong i always love the car i just wannet the car 6 speed mt but with the low mil and price i just got it. I hate the auto tran thats why im thinking about selling it and geting a 2006 audi s4 mt, but i hate to let go of the cl its not the car i hate its the auto tran, i got low mills on it you can buy lots of performance parts for it for a good price comare too audi s4 06 low tunning performance marke were all you can get is a muffler bulsh!t inteka thats dont give you cold air and a chip. thats all they got for it right now and it cost so muche money.WHAT DO I DO DO I SELL MY ACURA PAY ANOTHER 16000 AND BUY A S4 THAT I CANT RELLY TUNNE BUT IT GUT 340 HP STOCK OR I BUY $ 2000 WORTH OF PARTS FOR CL S AND PUT 50 HP IN IT AND STAY WITH IT?. PS sorry for my spelling im not american i been in this country fo only 2 years

civicdrivr

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They both have their drawbacks, but they are both pretty nice cars. The CLs auto tranny sucks. If you can source the parts, you can make it a 6MT.

The Audi has reliability issues of its own. There are members on here that have had Audis, so they can tell you all about them.

MrFluffy

I personally dont like s4, but if its only going cost 16k more than its kinda hard not to do it because the 01 CL is only worth 5-8k around me anyways and that means your getting the s4 for 24k and there worth alot more than that around me !!

these prices are what they go for here im sure what they go for there but thats a good deal

pits200

The two cars are in completely different price brackets. If the cars were the same price then I'd definitely go with the Audi just because it's newer and has a nice engine.

Its impossible to make the comparison because it depends if money is an issue or not. But if you are going to be spending 25k on the Audi there are PLENTY of other cars in that same price bracket.

fuzzy02CLS

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Since you have a low mile 01, sell it & get some $ for it. It's only going to further devalue.
And since it's an 01 & low miles the trans warranty will go by age & it's likely at that point or beyond. So if it goes your SOL.

pits200

Eh, every car devalues. Financially there is going to be less percentage depreciation on the CL than on the Audi being that it's a newer car and has much more room to go down in price vs the CL.

In 2 more years with him driving the CL he might lose 2k in value where as with the Audi in those two years he is probably going to lose close to 5k of the blue book value price.

clpassenubye

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As civicdrivr said Audi's have their own reliability issues so just keep that in mind if you decide to switch, Audi's also cost more to repair at least in my area.

StonedCL

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The 2001 CL-S does not hold its value very well since the tranny is a BIG problem in these cars... Its a hard call cuz if u hold on to it and when the tranny goes then you will have to shell out over $3000 to fix it but if you did sell it right now i KNOW you will be upsidedown if you financed the car. You will prob be able to get $8,000 if you are lucky..
I had my 2001 CL-S for sale for 6 months with a brand new tranny and i started at $5000 and no bites then $4000 still no one so $3500 and got a few calls and ended up selling it for $3000, less then the tranny cost me..
So it is a hard car to sell cuz all the publised tranny problems.. GoodLUCK

CH46ESeaKnight

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/Re...=Audi&model=S4

http://www.edmunds.com/audi/s4/2006/consumerreview.html

I don't know of any MAJOR reliability issues with the 06 S4. Nothing like the CLS. In fact they have some of the highest reliability ratings I've seen in awhile.

I would take the S4 over any CLS or CLS6.

As far as adding $2000.00 and getting 50 hp from a CLS, well that just not going to happen. You might find a used supercharger for that much, but it still does not add 50HP. I think they add around 40 somthing. If you could get SC, and headers and CAI you micght get 50hp, but it would likely cost more than 2 grand.

You could easily get that audi up to 360 hp and with AWD it will be a rocket.

brian6speed

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yes most ppl would take a s4 over a cls6, but are they willing to shell out 20 to 30 grand more is the question. I know for that money i wouldnt be looking at either of these cars myself.

Rapture

I dunno, I heard all sorts of bad things about Volkswagen/Audi from Consumer Reports... Honda/Acura was pretty much at the opposite end of the reliability spectrum as Volks/Audi, based on their comparisons. Just something to keep in mind.

pits200

When people think of the S4 and reliability they still think of the Twin Turbo version which had more troubles than the US economy.

Ever since they took it out and put in the 4.2L engine, the electrical problems that the old S4 had are pretty much solved.

For some reason, as many turboed cars audi/vw produce, you figure they wouldn't have those problems.

Look for example at Bimmer with the 335 and how many problems that car has had being that it was BMW first large production turbo car.

civicdrivr

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Theres one thing that will always stick out in my mind between the two vehicle, gas mileage. 15/21 (23 for tiptronic) for the S4, while the CL is 19/29.

While I agree that you might want to consider bailing on the CL now while it may still be worth something, Im not sure if I would be looking into the S4. Its a sick car, I can't deny that, but Id be looking elsewhere.

TheWeez

Dump the CL. More headaches then it's worth. Plus it'll always be wrong-wheel drive.

pits200

Besides the tranny, I just don't know what other problems the CL has? Maybe if I ended up having a problem with my transmission then I would be singing a different tune.

2001 silver bullet CL S

thatks for the help, another car i was thinking about is the 06 mitsubishi evolution i seen one with 40000 on it for 22k and what about a 07 acura tl s i read that the tls handling sucked the car oversteers

2001 silver bullet CL S

hmn

civicdrivr

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Ive actually heard that the TL-S manages the tq steer rather well.

CL-S progression 01

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u talking about cl6 or auto?

cause my car's tq steer is not enough to complain about in my opinion

CH46ESeaKnight

I would imagine that because the TL is still fwd it would understeer. ???

If it does oversteer it would be funner to drive!

The 2006 Evo would be a Evo 9 right? If so all you have to do is change the ECU and you got you're self 380HP. All for $500.00. The Evo 9, 0 to 60 should be 3.9 seconds and 1/4 should be 12.3 @ 112. And that is just changing ECU.
Sure the evo is not as nice of a car, but I don't think it can be beat by anything costing 3 times as much when it comes to performance and not just straight line either.

Here is the link to the ECU programmer if you want to take a look.
http://www.vishnutuning.com/index.htm

CH46ESeaKnight

He said oversteer. In other words the ass end of the car comes out during a hard corner causing you to have to correct with counter steer.

I don't think he was talking about TQ steer. Maybe?

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Is there anything more besides a RSB we can upgrade to get better suspension (aside from stuts/spring/coilovers)

Cause when I got my CL 10 or so months ago it had MAD oversteer (unsafe IMHO). So I quickly got the progress RSB, and then it was gone, then I upgraded the front links to Moogs (as i did to the rears, when i did the rsb). and now the whole car is pretty balanced.

Next I'm adding the neuspeed strut brace, and then the comptech fsb. I have sitting around

so i should be experiencing slight oversteer again, we'll see, if it's too much for my likings i will take the sway bar off and replace with my stock one

CH46ESeaKnight

Explain "Oversteer". I thin you have it backwards. I have never had my CLS oversteer, just tons over understeer.

Most FWD with understeer, and most oversteer if from RWD. Don't see how a cls has mad oversteer. Do you mean understeer?

In a nut shell:
Understeer, mean in a hard corner you turn the wheel but the car wants to keep going straight. Oversteer means the cars ass end comes out.

CL-S progression 01

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i may indeed have it backwards..

basically what happened originally when i got my car is the rear end would sway/FLY all over the place, and the suspension was fine..

So when you ass end is all over the place that is oversteer right?

CH46ESeaKnight

Sounds like oversteer to me.. You had it right. Just unussual for a fwd car.

StreetKA

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get CL Type S 6 speed for real man this car is great i dont regret that i bought it only one cons about this car is that CL is FWD. I was thinking for 2002 audi s4 bc i really like the performance and the way it look but reability just suck... good choice is WRX but only STI bc WRX only got "glass" tranny

pits200

Find a way to better balance the front/rear ratio. Isn't it like 60/40 for the CL? Battery relocation to the trunk would help, that's a good 30lb difference.

High performance tires. (I run Grand Touring-Turanza Serentity, not the best handling tire but probably the safest tire on the market.)

Moog tie rods

Besides that, I don't think there is much else to do from what you already mentioned.

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i think I am just a picky bastard...

I am gonna focus on finishing the HP mods then I will go elsewhere

2001 silver bullet CL S

im going to keep my cl s for a another year so i can save up some $. THen i proble going to sale it get some money for the car add the money i been saving up and finace the rest, get a 2008 evo x for 25 k with no more then 20 thousand miles on it. the car is great lookin on the out side , it got razor sharp handling and best peformance for the $ and its going to be like owning a new car with under 20 thousand miles on it , with like $ 800 i can change the ECU and put like 80 hp in it ps. that more then a driver like me needs scary 0-60 in 4 sec flat or maybe less

CH46ESeaKnight

Sounds like a good plan! I might be buying a C36 AMG in the next three weeks. Should be a bit funner than the cls.

2001 silver bullet CL S

yea they got lots of power

civicdrivr

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Funner?

CH46ESeaKnight

More power, more TQ, rwd, better handeling. Much much rarer. Hand built engine. It's a 2.8 stroked and bored out to 3.6L. 5.9 seconds 0-60 bone stock. And I think it is a timeless classic MB look. Kinda like the 190E 2.5.


Yes, funner!

CH46ESeaKnight

I mean, it is no EVO but then again it is not going to cost me 25K either. I'm looking for a low budget replacment for the CLS and the AMG fits the bill. I don't want to finance anything right now or I would likley spend 26K on a CTS-V, or E55 AMG, or possibly a Evo 9.

brian6speed

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I think civic was just making fun since funner isnt a word. It would be more fun. Damn grammar police.

civicdrivr

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pimpin-tl

I think it can happen as my 01 CL-S 5AT gained 30rwhp just from headers on the Dyno.

pimpin-tl

IMHO and this is coming from a 07 NISMO 350Z into a TL-S. The TL-S handles very good for the type of car it is. I think it could use some sway bars and maybe a little lowering with some coil overs, but the car handles extremely well factory. It definitely does not suck.