High-end performance on the CL-S.
05-18-2001, 03:08 PM
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High-end performance on the CL-S.
Namely - where is it?
I... I mean, my friend, with a car just like mine... was going about 80mph on a... highway around somewhere... and was in D5 as usual. I decided to see what the high-end acceleration was like and so I flicked it into SS and dropped to 4 while stepping on the gas more, then 3 (which kicked the revs to around 5100 and when I shifted it back up to 4 it had reached about 6000 revs.
Overall it made a lot of noise and yet throughout the whole proceedure, I felt no torque pushing me back in my seat nor any increase in acceleration.
WTF.
So much for VTEC when you're going 80 and want to go faster.
I mean in my A4 (automatic 4speed) Z28, I can drop it into 3 and rocket up to about 120 with little effort and plenty of kick.
Of course the CL-S has nice pickup when you're just finishing an onramp or offramp and you punch it. That feels great. But there's none of that at the high-end.
I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
-J
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I... I mean, my friend, with a car just like mine... was going about 80mph on a... highway around somewhere... and was in D5 as usual. I decided to see what the high-end acceleration was like and so I flicked it into SS and dropped to 4 while stepping on the gas more, then 3 (which kicked the revs to around 5100 and when I shifted it back up to 4 it had reached about 6000 revs.
Overall it made a lot of noise and yet throughout the whole proceedure, I felt no torque pushing me back in my seat nor any increase in acceleration.
WTF.
So much for VTEC when you're going 80 and want to go faster.
I mean in my A4 (automatic 4speed) Z28, I can drop it into 3 and rocket up to about 120 with little effort and plenty of kick.
Of course the CL-S has nice pickup when you're just finishing an onramp or offramp and you punch it. That feels great. But there's none of that at the high-end.
I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
-J
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05-18-2001, 03:12 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JRock:
I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
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I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
-J
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VTEC is a shot in the ass...when you hit the VTEC switchover point....it'll start making lots of hp...kinda like a turbo spooling up...and reaches its peak of 260 at 6900...you gotta keep your foot on the gas...torque is lower at that rpm range..so, you don't feel the pull as much as you feel a sensation of speeding...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JRock:
Namely - where is it?
I... I mean, my friend, with a car just like mine... was going about 80mph on a... highway around somewhere... and was in D5 as usual. I decided to see what the high-end acceleration was like and so I flicked it into SS and dropped to 4 while stepping on the gas more, then 3 (which kicked the revs to around 5100 and when I shifted it back up to 4 it had reached about 6000 revs.
Overall it made a lot of noise and yet throughout the whole proceedure, I felt no torque pushing me back in my seat nor any increase in acceleration.
WTF.
So much for VTEC when you're going 80 and want to go faster.
I mean in my A4 (automatic 4speed) Z28, I can drop it into 3 and rocket up to about 120 with little effort and plenty of kick.
Of course the CL-S has nice pickup when you're just finishing an onramp or offramp and you punch it. That feels great. But there's none of that at the high-end.
I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
-J
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Namely - where is it?
I... I mean, my friend, with a car just like mine... was going about 80mph on a... highway around somewhere... and was in D5 as usual. I decided to see what the high-end acceleration was like and so I flicked it into SS and dropped to 4 while stepping on the gas more, then 3 (which kicked the revs to around 5100 and when I shifted it back up to 4 it had reached about 6000 revs.
Overall it made a lot of noise and yet throughout the whole proceedure, I felt no torque pushing me back in my seat nor any increase in acceleration.
WTF.
So much for VTEC when you're going 80 and want to go faster.
I mean in my A4 (automatic 4speed) Z28, I can drop it into 3 and rocket up to about 120 with little effort and plenty of kick.
Of course the CL-S has nice pickup when you're just finishing an onramp or offramp and you punch it. That feels great. But there's none of that at the high-end.
I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
-J
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14.698 @95.977mph....Sears Point Raceway.
I think I need a Level 10 Torque Converter!!
05-18-2001, 03:20 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JRock:
Namely - where is it?
I... I mean, my friend, with a car just like mine... was going about 80mph on a... highway around somewhere... and was in D5 as usual. I decided to see what the high-end acceleration was like and so I flicked it into SS and dropped to 4 while stepping on the gas more, then 3 (which kicked the revs to around 5100 and when I shifted it back up to 4 it had reached about 6000 revs.
Overall it made a lot of noise and yet throughout the whole proceedure, I felt no torque pushing me back in my seat nor any increase in acceleration.
WTF.
So much for VTEC when you're going 80 and want to go faster.
I mean in my A4 (automatic 4speed) Z28, I can drop it into 3 and rocket up to about 120 with little effort and plenty of kick.
Of course the CL-S has nice pickup when you're just finishing an onramp or offramp and you punch it. That feels great. But there's none of that at the high-end.
I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
-J
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Namely - where is it?
I... I mean, my friend, with a car just like mine... was going about 80mph on a... highway around somewhere... and was in D5 as usual. I decided to see what the high-end acceleration was like and so I flicked it into SS and dropped to 4 while stepping on the gas more, then 3 (which kicked the revs to around 5100 and when I shifted it back up to 4 it had reached about 6000 revs.
Overall it made a lot of noise and yet throughout the whole proceedure, I felt no torque pushing me back in my seat nor any increase in acceleration.
WTF.
So much for VTEC when you're going 80 and want to go faster.
I mean in my A4 (automatic 4speed) Z28, I can drop it into 3 and rocket up to about 120 with little effort and plenty of kick.
Of course the CL-S has nice pickup when you're just finishing an onramp or offramp and you punch it. That feels great. But there's none of that at the high-end.
I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
-J
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Check my sig below -- I get to 115 in 3rd like a bat out of hell and still climb to 130 very quickly.
I'd have that MIRC checked soon.
After reading about all of the failed actuators, I even checked mine again last night...
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05-18-2001, 03:24 PM
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I have had done just as you have described. Switched to SS and down shifted to third. However, my results are altogether different from your described results. In third I accelerated up to an indicated 115mph and shift into fourth and continue to accelerate until I backed off at 135mph. It did not take very long to get there either.
My car is #2295. This is one of the earliest made. I now have almost 33,000 miles w/o any real problems other than the sun roof noise and the off center speedo. The speedo has been corrected and the sun roof noise has been lessened. It has not totally been eliminated. To date these are the only problems that I have encountered.
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My car is #2295. This is one of the earliest made. I now have almost 33,000 miles w/o any real problems other than the sun roof noise and the off center speedo. The speedo has been corrected and the sun roof noise has been lessened. It has not totally been eliminated. To date these are the only problems that I have encountered.
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05-18-2001, 03:27 PM
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I have had done just as you have described. Switched to SS and down shifted to third. However, my results are altogether different from your described results. In third I accelerated up to an indicated 115mph and shift into fourth and continue to accelerate until I backed off at 135mph. It did not take very long to get there either.
My car is #2295. This is one of the earliest made. I now have almost 33,000 miles w/o any real problems other than the sun roof noise and the off center speedo. The speedo has been corrected and the sun roof noise has been lessened. It has not totally been eliminated. To date these are the only problems that I have encountered.
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My car is #2295. This is one of the earliest made. I now have almost 33,000 miles w/o any real problems other than the sun roof noise and the off center speedo. The speedo has been corrected and the sun roof noise has been lessened. It has not totally been eliminated. To date these are the only problems that I have encountered.
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05-18-2001, 04:50 PM
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Try crusing at 60 in 3rd the downshift 2nd and give it WOT shift at 7000 to third keep it in Vtec through 2,3 and you'll fell the torque and accelaration! 
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05-18-2001, 05:20 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JRock:
Namely - where is it?
...so I flicked it into SS and dropped to 4 while stepping on the gas more, then 3 (which kicked the revs to around 5100 and when I shifted it back up to 4 it had reached about 6000 revs.
... I felt no torque pushing me back in my seat nor any increase in acceleration.
So much for VTEC when you're going 80 and want to go faster.
I mean in my A4 (automatic 4speed) Z28, I can drop it into 3 and rocket up to about 120 with little effort and plenty of kick.
I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
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Namely - where is it?
...so I flicked it into SS and dropped to 4 while stepping on the gas more, then 3 (which kicked the revs to around 5100 and when I shifted it back up to 4 it had reached about 6000 revs.
... I felt no torque pushing me back in my seat nor any increase in acceleration.
So much for VTEC when you're going 80 and want to go faster.
I mean in my A4 (automatic 4speed) Z28, I can drop it into 3 and rocket up to about 120 with little effort and plenty of kick.
I'd consider headers but I don't think I'll spend enough time at the high rpm range to warrant $1100.
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So, you were crusin' at about 80mph (+/-) and decided to drop into SS, and flick it down a couple times to 3 while slowly givin' it more gas, eh? Do you know that when I do that, I just stay in D5 (around 80), and just floor it -- I feel a bit of 2nd gear because the tranny drops into the high 5000 range and just jumps to redline before it shifts. And then, when in 3, you're in prime VTEC position for the way the car wants to shift most aggressively. I always feel that high rpm power at that point. I find that in SS, dropping down from 5th to 2nd or from 5th to 3rd is just a pain in the ass --> just slam the gas to the floor --> are we forgetting this car is an automatic?
And if you made it into 4th gear, I can't remember feeling ANY power in that gear or 5th --> squeeze out what ya can from 3rd.
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05-18-2001, 05:32 PM
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If your gonna drop it to 4 . NOT even worth the time IMO. just floor it. but if your gonna go to 2nd or 3rd. then use SS. 4 and 5th is for crusing. did we all forget we have 2 overdrive gears.
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I know what you're talking about JRock, but I think it is just in comparison to your other car, a Z is quite a bit faster/torquer especially at high speeds. When I'm on the highway and leave it in D5 then floor it to pass someone or play around, many times I will get a TON of noise but not quite what I would have expected in reaction, I move for sure but I'm not pulled into my seat like I was in my Cobra.
My guess would be that you are just used to the "oommph" from those 5.7 liters. The S is "quick" but it's not "fast", -headers or not- IMO.
My guess would be that you are just used to the "oommph" from those 5.7 liters. The S is "quick" but it's not "fast", -headers or not- IMO.
05-18-2001, 06:05 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Check my sig below -- I get to 115 in 3rd like a bat out of hell and still climb to 130 very quickly.
I'd have that MIRC checked soon.
After reading about all of the failed actuators, I even checked mine again last night...
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I'd have that MIRC checked soon.
After reading about all of the failed actuators, I even checked mine again last night...
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The other posts after yours make sense to my situation - I probably should have just mashed the pedal and let the auto tranny do the shifting for me.
I'll try that next time.
And I'm 99% sure my MIRC works.
-J
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A lot of people don't understand the bottom line here:
THE CL-S IS NOT A SPORTS CAR!! It was designed for luxery and performance, but not for racing and as a star on the track. While the power and capabilities of the car are top notch, it is not meant to be a sports car, or compared to one....
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05-18-2001, 07:55 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ruvz:
A lot of people don't understand the bottom line here:
THE CL-S IS NOT A SPORTS CAR!! It was designed for luxery and performance, but not for racing and as a star on the track. While the power and capabilities of the car are top notch, it is not meant to be a sports car, or compared to one....
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A lot of people don't understand the bottom line here:
THE CL-S IS NOT A SPORTS CAR!! It was designed for luxery and performance, but not for racing and as a star on the track. While the power and capabilities of the car are top notch, it is not meant to be a sports car, or compared to one....
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05-18-2001, 08:50 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by ruvz:
A lot of people don't understand the bottom line here:
THE CL-S IS NOT A SPORTS CAR!! It was designed for luxery and performance, but not for racing and as a star on the track. While the power and capabilities of the car are top notch, it is not meant to be a sports car, or compared to one....
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A lot of people don't understand the bottom line here:
THE CL-S IS NOT A SPORTS CAR!! It was designed for luxery and performance, but not for racing and as a star on the track. While the power and capabilities of the car are top notch, it is not meant to be a sports car, or compared to one....
</font>
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05-19-2001, 04:59 PM
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From JRock:
You probably didn't start at 80mph, you probably started around 60 so you got more kick.
The other posts after yours make sense to my situation - I probably should have just mashed the pedal and let the auto tranny do the shifting for me.
I'll try that next time.
And I'm 99% sure my MIRC works.
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From JRock:
You probably didn't start at 80mph, you probably started around 60 so you got more kick.
The other posts after yours make sense to my situation - I probably should have just mashed the pedal and let the auto tranny do the shifting for me.
I'll try that next time.
And I'm 99% sure my MIRC works.
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(Let's see about 73MPH in 2nd, 114MPH is 3rd, so, there should be no problem getting the car into 3rd and zooming along).
So, as far as starting at 60 -- no, I've been able to get the car back into 3rd at pretty high speeds by tapping the brake.
If MY car gets to run to redline in 3rd, I am doing an "indicated" 114MPH (our speedos are very optimistic) and 4th comes up so fast, that even my wife and friends have had no idea I was doing 130 (until I told them
).BTW -- the lighter wheels help more than some people would expect, and the headers and CAI work quite nicely in the 5000-7000 rpm area.
BTW2 -- It is very easy to "double-tap" the SS and get it to dump into 4th from 2nd. The bloody thing is so slow (at times), that there is a temptation to tap the SS up again. When it finally engages, it is in 4th, not 3rd.
(In conclusion -- how ever you want to "judge" the situation, just make sure you get 3rd to take you to redline. The rest is semantics...)
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I do find for highway driving, which I do each day for a 45min one way commute, is that just leaving it in the D4 gives me the performance that I want, If cruising around 80 and I step into it the automatic does a good job of bringing up the VTEC and staying in that range till about 110, then I SS it down to 4th if I want to push it more
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