DtEW

It's not that I have anything to add to this nice little bruhaha, but I figured I had to chime in for completeness.

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Tom2

Hey, don't look now, but I think I started a trend on the signatures......

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scalbert

What about some old F1 engines of the early to mid '80s.

1.8L engine cranking out over 1200 HP. Do the caculation to see the HP/L number, kinda scary...

Tom2

You're not kidding....

Kinda like motorycle engines on crack.



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moomaster_99

Those were turbocharged monsters...but then they banned turbos..because of Honda...then active suspension...banned because of Honda.

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LegendC

M5?

aeon

Damn, thanks, I was beginning to think everyone here was a tool. Yes, I do, all the time. The only time I think about numberws ad cams is when something breaks, I let the engineers worry about that stuff because I have enough going on in my life to fill two plates.
Let the S20000000 and the M3000 do what ever they want, I love MY car and I have better things to do...

Wyle E. Coyote

OMG, you can't be comparing motorcycle engines with car engines! Two very different concepts here. Most of all, there's no emissions control for the bikes!

Bad comparison.




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Wyle E. Coyote

Yes. How many times have I pointed out this fact? At least 10 or so!




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Tom2

Yeah, but with all the pre-production hype, I always think of the M5 and Z8 as having 400 HP. BMW said over and over again that that engine would have a minimum of 400 HP. As a matter of fact, on the BMW website, they still claim 400 HP for the M5 engine.

But the M5 uses a 5.0L engine.... So it can't be what Soopa was asking.....

Oh well.....

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soopa

WRONG.

YOU ARE THE WEAKEST LINK... Goodbye!

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CCns24

I know I am new to this forum, but this discussion was craking me up during lunch today. Here's another car to think of : The 95 Lotus S4S. It made 300hp from a 2.2 l 4 cylinder. And there are very, and I repeat very, few cars on the road that can even compete with this little 4 banger. Oh by the way, you can pick up a used one for around 40K. Now that's a deal!!!

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Wyle E. Coyote

What about the mid-80s V6 powered Buick Grand Nationals? Those cars were running mid-13s in the quarter mile!!!

http://formen.ign.com/news/16566.html


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[This message has been edited by MikeN (edited 05-14-2001).]

Tom2

Okay, wise guy..... But don't make me break out my magazine collection and start looking up HP ratings and engine size.....

Jeez, you're gonna turn me into gavriil



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saabman4ever

Tom2, back away from the magazines slowly and no one gets hurt, OK? That's it, just put them down nice and easy...


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e1828

2001 Ferrari 360 modena puts out 400hp from a 3586 cc engine

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fender4

hey gavriil keep on posting any tech data you find, ignore the couple of flame throwers
"Go Cubs" That will get them flaming
)

NOVAwhiteTypeS

does this ever end? but it sure is entertaining.

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M5 Lite

The answer to the soopa question is the new ferrari modeno.

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tw1112

Love that car...my brother in law is planning on getting one after he gets a house up north! Crazy mark up though...but what else is he going to spend it on.

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e1828

I beat ya to it M3sins.. =) Check 3 messages up from yours. I am the strongest link!

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soopa

394hp.

Why hasnt anyone mentioned that the 360 has the second highest output per liter? Doesnt it?

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Tom2

Probably because graviil would really start crying if we started comparing numbers in mega-$$$$ cars. He nearly popped a lung when I mentioned a $50K BMW



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soopa

give the boy a break already!

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TL_Type_S

Tom2 --

What do you do for a living?

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Tom2

I'm an automotive engineer. And I'm also a silent partner in a privately owned business.



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TL_Type_S

Thanks for the reply!



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Tom2

Hmmm...I believe there's a glitch in the matrix.....

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TL_Type_S

Do you work for a large auto manufacturer?

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soopa

I believe someone hit the back button 1 too many times

Tom2

Sure, plenty of them. But not directly, only as a subcontractor.

What are you getting at here?



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SinnedTL

Double fuckin Vanos 3.2 Litre BMW Engine...wish I had one...you gotta admit BMW engines rule the Acura 3.2 Litre Type-S engine...its the reason why McLaren chose the BMW V-12 in the production of the McLaren F1 supercar. Although Honda makes good engine...

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e harmon

I'm still waiting to hear about the implied plethora of other 3.2ish NA engines that make 260ish hp. I don't particularly care about the .32L NA engines that make 27 hp, or the 32L NA engines that make 2601 hp, or the 1.8L Turbo engines that make 263.44323hp, or anything in between. Say, 2.8L-3.5L NA.

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Tom2

If you took the time to read this thread from the start, you'd realize that it was NOT implies that there are a lot of 3.2L engines making 260 HP.

Did you ever think that there are not a ton a different 3.2L engines at all?

I don't want to beat this to death, but the only way to compare power output among engines is by horsepower per liter. If you need examples, scroll back and start reading.



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Jayru

Pussy! You should show up! You post on this board, right? Then you should show up!

Tom2

Hey, if you're gonna be there then I probably WILL show up. After all, I think I owe you a bitch slap or two



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Jayru

I thought you were an "Automotive Technician"?

Jayru

yeah, I am gonna drive 1000 miles for you? HAHAHAHAHA And I doubt you'd be bitch slappin me! Hahaha

Tom2

I was an auto tech before I became an engineer. I guess you can say that I know the business from more than one side.


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e harmon

Actually, I have read this thread from the start, which is why I put the specific output discussion on pause for a sec. Like many fellow members, I am very entertained by the musings here and in countless other threads. I'm actually taking your original statement at face value: 260 hp from 3.2 liters is nothing special.

I suppose one might translate this to mean that the specific output of the 3.2 in the Type S is not particularly noteworthy. I am interested in examining the output range across a displacement range. That shouldn't be too much of a stretch.

- "260 hp from 3.2 liters is actually quite normal"

- I disagree that horsepower per liter is the only way to compare engines. As you say, this has been beat to death on countless forums and both sides have compelling arguments.

- There are probably not a lot of 3.2L engines, but 2.8-3.5 is a reasonable range. Audi, GM, Porsche, BMW, Volkswagen, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Ford, Nissan, Lexus, and Daimler-Chrysler all have a number of engines in this displacement range. How many make 260ish horsepower? If you don't know, and therefore are unable to substantiate your original statement, do you see then what I am questioning? If you did not want to examine the output range, why brandish the 3.2 from the E46 M3 as your example?




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