Guess who I TALKED too??? The Fugitive. (Long but worth it)
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Guess who I TALKED too??? The Fugitive. (Long but worth it)
Recap. I ordered the CAI.
He set a ship date.
The ship date came and went.
I complained
He sent me a false tracking number.
I demanded a refund.
I never got my money, he disappeared. (from here anyway)
When Xephyr aka Christopher Koncur first ran away with my money. I decided to go through the first line of consumer defense. Complaint letters, phone calls, and faxes through the appropriate channels. I got nothing.
I also decided to give it a little time and maybe, just maybe, we would hear from him with some horrific story about an accident, illness, kidnapping or deportation. He disconnected his cell phone. Changed his address "and left no forward", and pulled down his website.
After Webtoker posted the "Say hi to Xephyr" thread. I decided it was time to take real action. Since it was now obvious that he simply stole the money and had no intent on returning it. I've stated time and time again that I will not let this go and he will be paying me back, one way or another.
After I returned from vacation I set the wheels of justice
in motion. I have been talking to some "legal" friends, and the folks at the Camden County courthouse in NJ. I am preparing to sue him in small claims court. I'm also told that there may be options regarding fraud, and interstate commerce issues.
After setting that in motion I decided to do a little digging. I had gotten his office number back in late May, and had left a message but got no response. Since I was aware of what company he worked for. I started a telephone drill down, and some social engineering, through the corporation.
I eventually reached his office location and obtained his direct line number. I called his direct line and got his voice mail. Since he is famous for ignoring messages, I didn't leave one. Instead I hung up, and started dialing numbers above and below his extension. Nothing but voice mails, but they may be useful later. I then rounded up his extension to what would be a logical suffix for the main number for the group. I asked for the departments fax number, and told the person I was looking for Christopher Koncur. The person stated that I would be connected to his extension. I was like NO WAIT, expecting his voice mail again. I was stunned when HE answered the phone. I wish I could have seen the look on his face when I said "Hi Chris, My Name is Thomas Grant, you know me as Rock Dog, you owe me $215 dollars and I want it back now." There was a moment of silence, I would suppose to get over the initial shock of hearing the words Rock Dog. Or maybe he just had to adjust his tampon.
I waited, and paused for a second, to see what he would say. He went right into. "When did you place your order? Do you have the Paypal transaction number?" It was like he was the women at the return counter at Penney's. He started typing away. I assume he was looking up his "theft transaction numbers." I didn't go off on him, because I didn't want him to hang up. I did ask "Uh, Chris? It's been 4 months since you took my money as well and others, and disappeared. What happened, why did you do it?" He said " I can't go into it, it's complicated" I'm thinking yeah, yeah, yeah.
He said, because of all that has happened, {you mean what you brought upon yourself?} that Paypal has locked down his account and that he can't send or receive money without contacting someone there first. He said he was typing a letter to Paypal just then, and was requesting a fund transfer to my account. He also took down my home address. If I don't hear something in a couple of days I should call him back. I agreed to wait a couple of days for something from Paypal. He ended the conversation with “OK, take it easy”. Like I was an old pal or something. I’ve been lighting candles over a bowl of goat’s blood in my basement, while chanting and praying for the death of his mother. And he basically says. Have a nice day, thanks for calling Xephyr Performance.
Well all this took place on Tuesday morning. I have given him a couple of days. And waited to post a message here. Since we know he is reading the board. And I know, he will be reading this. I promise the following.
If I don't hear from him by the end of business tomorrow, either with a refund, or confirmation that it is in the works. On Monday I begin my next move. I will start by calling and faxing people in and around his department. Telling them that he has defrauded and stolen money from people over the internet under the guise of running an after market auto parts company. We are trying to reach him, in order to get our money back. I will file my papers with the Camden County courthouse. And… I will post all the numbers and names I have obtained so that others here can begin the same barrage. You have to pay them as well.
Then I will expand my efforts up the chain of command with his company. It’s time to apply real pressure. Chris, I told you I don’t threaten!
[ 08-09-2001: Message edited by: Rock Dog ]
He set a ship date.
The ship date came and went.
I complained
He sent me a false tracking number.
I demanded a refund.
I never got my money, he disappeared. (from here anyway)
When Xephyr aka Christopher Koncur first ran away with my money. I decided to go through the first line of consumer defense. Complaint letters, phone calls, and faxes through the appropriate channels. I got nothing.
I also decided to give it a little time and maybe, just maybe, we would hear from him with some horrific story about an accident, illness, kidnapping or deportation. He disconnected his cell phone. Changed his address "and left no forward", and pulled down his website.
After Webtoker posted the "Say hi to Xephyr" thread. I decided it was time to take real action. Since it was now obvious that he simply stole the money and had no intent on returning it. I've stated time and time again that I will not let this go and he will be paying me back, one way or another.
After I returned from vacation I set the wheels of justice
in motion. I have been talking to some "legal" friends, and the folks at the Camden County courthouse in NJ. I am preparing to sue him in small claims court. I'm also told that there may be options regarding fraud, and interstate commerce issues.After setting that in motion I decided to do a little digging. I had gotten his office number back in late May, and had left a message but got no response. Since I was aware of what company he worked for. I started a telephone drill down, and some social engineering, through the corporation.
I eventually reached his office location and obtained his direct line number. I called his direct line and got his voice mail. Since he is famous for ignoring messages, I didn't leave one. Instead I hung up, and started dialing numbers above and below his extension. Nothing but voice mails, but they may be useful later. I then rounded up his extension to what would be a logical suffix for the main number for the group. I asked for the departments fax number, and told the person I was looking for Christopher Koncur. The person stated that I would be connected to his extension. I was like NO WAIT, expecting his voice mail again. I was stunned when HE answered the phone. I wish I could have seen the look on his face when I said "Hi Chris, My Name is Thomas Grant, you know me as Rock Dog, you owe me $215 dollars and I want it back now." There was a moment of silence, I would suppose to get over the initial shock of hearing the words Rock Dog. Or maybe he just had to adjust his tampon.
I waited, and paused for a second, to see what he would say. He went right into. "When did you place your order? Do you have the Paypal transaction number?" It was like he was the women at the return counter at Penney's. He started typing away. I assume he was looking up his "theft transaction numbers." I didn't go off on him, because I didn't want him to hang up. I did ask "Uh, Chris? It's been 4 months since you took my money as well and others, and disappeared. What happened, why did you do it?" He said " I can't go into it, it's complicated" I'm thinking yeah, yeah, yeah.
He said, because of all that has happened, {you mean what you brought upon yourself?} that Paypal has locked down his account and that he can't send or receive money without contacting someone there first. He said he was typing a letter to Paypal just then, and was requesting a fund transfer to my account. He also took down my home address. If I don't hear something in a couple of days I should call him back. I agreed to wait a couple of days for something from Paypal. He ended the conversation with “OK, take it easy”. Like I was an old pal or something. I’ve been lighting candles over a bowl of goat’s blood in my basement, while chanting and praying for the death of his mother. And he basically says. Have a nice day, thanks for calling Xephyr Performance.
Well all this took place on Tuesday morning. I have given him a couple of days. And waited to post a message here. Since we know he is reading the board. And I know, he will be reading this. I promise the following.
If I don't hear from him by the end of business tomorrow, either with a refund, or confirmation that it is in the works. On Monday I begin my next move. I will start by calling and faxing people in and around his department. Telling them that he has defrauded and stolen money from people over the internet under the guise of running an after market auto parts company. We are trying to reach him, in order to get our money back. I will file my papers with the Camden County courthouse. And… I will post all the numbers and names I have obtained so that others here can begin the same barrage. You have to pay them as well.
Then I will expand my efforts up the chain of command with his company. It’s time to apply real pressure. Chris, I told you I don’t threaten!
[ 08-09-2001: Message edited by: Rock Dog ]
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wow, great news!! if he has any ambition/plans for a good future, I have a feeling he will take you seriously now. now that you have gotten to his place of employment, and can (with the support of your friends here) very easily destroy his career there ... good luck ! take it easy :p
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Damn - I second the idea of never pissing Rock off...
You go, boy!
Seriously though - I hope he gets all he deserves. Fradulent businesses like his need to be dealt with. BTW - have you talked to the attourney general or someone from their office? It seems to me he committed wire fraud, and a few other criminal offences.
You go, boy!
Seriously though - I hope he gets all he deserves. Fradulent businesses like his need to be dealt with. BTW - have you talked to the attourney general or someone from their office? It seems to me he committed wire fraud, and a few other criminal offences.
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Oh damn.
Good luck man hope you get your money back for the cai and some more loot after suing the shit out of him. may be you can give stickers for everyone w/ the legal money.
Good luck man hope you get your money back for the cai and some more loot after suing the shit out of him. may be you can give stickers for everyone w/ the legal money.
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Originally posted by autoxCLS:
<STRONG>Damn - I second the idea of never pissing Rock off...
You go, boy!
Seriously though - I hope he gets all he deserves. Fradulent businesses like his need to be dealt with. BTW - have you talked to the attourney general or someone from their office? It seems to me he committed wire fraud, and a few other criminal offences.</STRONG>
<STRONG>Damn - I second the idea of never pissing Rock off...
You go, boy!
Seriously though - I hope he gets all he deserves. Fradulent businesses like his need to be dealt with. BTW - have you talked to the attourney general or someone from their office? It seems to me he committed wire fraud, and a few other criminal offences.</STRONG>
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I dont get Chris, WTF is he thinking????? I mean all this aggrevation for him and everyone else worth the grand or whatever that he owes. I mean for christ sake, why dont you just come forward, return the money which were never yours in the first place and move de fuck on with your life No big deal, businesses fail everyday. But no, he gotta be slimy about it. I hope he learns his lesson.
Chris, you'll make the money back, but shit like this will come bite you in the ass at the last place you expect.
No big deal, businesses fail everyday. But no, he gotta be slimy about it. I hope he learns his lesson. Chris, you'll make the money back, but shit like this will come bite you in the ass at the last place you expect.
08-09-2001, 12:32 PM
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Awesome! Excellent work!! Persistence pays off!!!
You oughta write novels. A bomb could have exploded outside my window and I wouldn't have stopped reading that! As Amir and Type S Smokes All say.... "Great story!"
You oughta write novels. A bomb could have exploded outside my window and I wouldn't have stopped reading that! As Amir and Type S Smokes All say.... "Great story!"
08-09-2001, 12:32 PM
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Way to go RockDog........nice to see someone held responsible for their actions. Would have loved to see the look on the guy's face when you called him at his office. What a jerk he is.
08-09-2001, 12:57 PM
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hey rock dog i got a problem with the phone company want to help me out..
Get that SOB.. He cold have made a ton more if he new the first thing about business.. Hey if he does not pay back call UPS to.. I am sure they would be very intersted in somebody using there tracking numbers...
Get that SOB.. He cold have made a ton more if he new the first thing about business.. Hey if he does not pay back call UPS to.. I am sure they would be very intersted in somebody using there tracking numbers...
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Originally posted by BSK181:
<STRONG>good going
now post his work phone # so we can start harassing the shit out of him. at least the other guys he took money from
hehe</STRONG>
<STRONG>good going
now post his work phone # so we can start harassing the shit out of him. at least the other guys he took money from
hehe</STRONG>
08-09-2001, 01:03 PM
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nice work dog, best of luck making him see reality!
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First off, your idea to sue him in small claims court is a good one. Furthermore, violation of interstate commerce laws is a federal offense handled by the FBI.
But, your idea to harass him at work and rat him out to his co-workers is libal and slander/defamation of character. Don't do that if you want to win this thing. You do that and he sues you for a lot more than
215$.
But, your idea to harass him at work and rat him out to his co-workers is libal and slander/defamation of character. Don't do that if you want to win this thing. You do that and he sues you for a lot more than
215$.
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Originally posted by BigPimp'sTypeS:
<STRONG>I dont get Chris, WTF is he thinking????? I mean all this aggrevation for him and everyone else worth the grand or whatever that he owes. I mean for christ sake, why dont you just come forward, return the money which were never yours in the first place and move de fuck on with your life No big deal, businesses fail everyday. But no, he gotta be slimy about it. I hope he learns his lesson.
Chris, you'll make the money back, but shit like this will come bite you in the ass at the last place you expect.</STRONG>
<STRONG>I dont get Chris, WTF is he thinking????? I mean all this aggrevation for him and everyone else worth the grand or whatever that he owes. I mean for christ sake, why dont you just come forward, return the money which were never yours in the first place and move de fuck on with your life
No big deal, businesses fail everyday. But no, he gotta be slimy about it. I hope he learns his lesson. Chris, you'll make the money back, but shit like this will come bite you in the ass at the last place you expect.</STRONG>
Pay us back, and move on. It would be so much easier and financially safer.
The next time he hears my name, one of his superiors will be screaming it at him from across his desk.
08-09-2001, 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by JZ:
<STRONG>First off, your idea to sue him in small claims court is a good one. Furthermore, violation of interstate commerce laws is a federal offense handled by the FBI.
But, your idea to harass him at work and rat him out to his co-workers is libal and slander/defamation of character. Don't do that if you want to win this thing. You do that and he sues you for a lot more than
215$.</STRONG>
<STRONG>First off, your idea to sue him in small claims court is a good one. Furthermore, violation of interstate commerce laws is a federal offense handled by the FBI.
But, your idea to harass him at work and rat him out to his co-workers is libal and slander/defamation of character. Don't do that if you want to win this thing. You do that and he sues you for a lot more than
215$.</STRONG>
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Originally posted by JZ:
<STRONG>First off, your idea to sue him in small claims court is a good one. Furthermore, violation of interstate commerce laws is a federal offense handled by the FBI.
But, your idea to harass him at work and rat him out to his co-workers is libal and slander/defamation of character. Don't do that if you want to win this thing. You do that and he sues you for a lot more than
215$.</STRONG>
<STRONG>First off, your idea to sue him in small claims court is a good one. Furthermore, violation of interstate commerce laws is a federal offense handled by the FBI.
But, your idea to harass him at work and rat him out to his co-workers is libal and slander/defamation of character. Don't do that if you want to win this thing. You do that and he sues you for a lot more than
215$.</STRONG>
As far as "ratting him out to his co workers". I'm not ratting out anyone. I am simply trying to contact the owner of a defunct business that owes me money.
AND........ If your statement was correct, (which it isn't) not one collection agency in this country would be operating tomorrow. The collection divisions of major credit card companies would fall like a house of cards.
But, Chris? Just in case you think these guys have given you an idea. Chris? I know what I'm doing. You ignorant little punk. SUE ME!!! Do it!!! You Fucking Coward. Bring It!
The reverse suit will crush you. All because you walked with a couple of thousand dollars.
[ 08-09-2001: Message edited by: Rock Dog ]
This remind me of that movie: Payback by Mel Gibson.
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Originally posted by eclipse23:
<STRONG>I think you two should kiss and make up
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<STRONG>I think you two should kiss and make up
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Tell me something, when he had you bent over the hood of your CL, clumsily trying to force his flaccid little member into your less than virgin ass. Did he put his hands on your hips, or your shoulders?
08-09-2001, 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Rock Dog:
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I know this really hurts you Ernie. Seeing as you and Chris used to meet on Friday nights and swap male fluid on the Jersey shore, while listening to Bon Jovi's "I'll be there for you".
Tell me something, when he had you bent over the hood of your CL, clumsily trying to force his flaccid little member into your less than virgin ass. Did he put his hands on your hips, or your shoulders?</STRONG>
<STRONG>
I know this really hurts you Ernie. Seeing as you and Chris used to meet on Friday nights and swap male fluid on the Jersey shore, while listening to Bon Jovi's "I'll be there for you".
Tell me something, when he had you bent over the hood of your CL, clumsily trying to force his flaccid little member into your less than virgin ass. Did he put his hands on your hips, or your shoulders?</STRONG>
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Originally posted by eclipse23:
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Was I really the one who got the best fucking here? At least he left a CAI on my dresser as he walked out BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA</STRONG>
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Was I really the one who got the best fucking here? At least he left a CAI on my dresser as he walked out BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA</STRONG>
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Rock Dog, an excellent tome--you have a gift for expository writing and good grammatical construction--unlike certain posters to this forum. 
The legal expression you semi-literate, quasi-legal beagle guys are butchering is spelled "LIBEL."
Rockster, perhaps what you might be facing if things got outta hand could be harassment of this slime-ball! As far as libel or slander, which deal respectively with the written or spoken defamation of someone's character,"Zipfur" would have to sue you and PROVE that your statements were untrue and caused him to incur damages. That would expose his shady dealings even more, and cost waaay more than the $215 he owes you and the others. Not likely to happen.
Your actions to-date, i.e. going through appropriate legal channels, and exposing this cretin to your electronically-connected homies, is definitely the wisest approach.
Keep up the intelligent fight.
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The legal expression you semi-literate, quasi-legal beagle guys are butchering is spelled "LIBEL."
Rockster, perhaps what you might be facing if things got outta hand could be harassment of this slime-ball
! As far as libel or slander, which deal respectively with the written or spoken defamation of someone's character,"Zipfur" would have to sue you and PROVE that your statements were untrue and caused him to incur damages. That would expose his shady dealings even more, and cost waaay more than the $215 he owes you and the others. Not likely to happen.Your actions to-date, i.e. going through appropriate legal channels, and exposing this cretin to your electronically-connected homies, is definitely the wisest approach.
Keep up the intelligent fight.
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Originally posted by technoid:
<STRONG>Rock Dog, an excellent tome--you have a gift for expository writing and good grammatical construction--unlike certain posters to this forum.
The legal expression you semi-literate, quasi-legal beagle guys are butchering is spelled "LIBEL."
Rockster, perhaps what you might be facing if things got outta hand could be harassment of this slime-ball! As far as libel or slander, which deal respectively with the written or spoken defamation of someone's character,"Zipfur" would have to sue you and PROVE that your statements were untrue and caused him to incur damages. That would expose his shady dealings even more, and cost waaay more than the $215 he owes you and the others. Not likely to happen.
Your actions to-date, i.e. going through appropriate legal channels, and exposing this cretin to your electronically-connected homies, is definitely the wisest approach.
Keep up the intelligent fight.
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<STRONG>Rock Dog, an excellent tome--you have a gift for expository writing and good grammatical construction--unlike certain posters to this forum.
The legal expression you semi-literate, quasi-legal beagle guys are butchering is spelled "LIBEL."
Rockster, perhaps what you might be facing if things got outta hand could be harassment of this slime-ball
! As far as libel or slander, which deal respectively with the written or spoken defamation of someone's character,"Zipfur" would have to sue you and PROVE that your statements were untrue and caused him to incur damages. That would expose his shady dealings even more, and cost waaay more than the $215 he owes you and the others. Not likely to happen.Your actions to-date, i.e. going through appropriate legal channels, and exposing this cretin to your electronically-connected homies, is definitely the wisest approach.
Keep up the intelligent fight.
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Boston Acoustics RM9's</STRONG>
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Originally posted by eclipse23:
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You Speaka English? Capiche?</STRONG>
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You Speaka English? Capiche?</STRONG>
oh, and rockie doggie , Chris shipped my CAI to me the day after we had phone sex
lol
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Originally posted by fbazakos:
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"do you understand the words that are coming outta my mouth??? "
oh, and rockie doggie , Chris shipped my CAI to me the day after we had phone sex
lol</STRONG>
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"do you understand the words that are coming outta my mouth??? "
oh, and rockie doggie , Chris shipped my CAI to me the day after we had phone sex
lol</STRONG>
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Originally posted by technoid:
<STRONG>Rock Dog, an excellent tome--you have a gift for expository writing and good grammatical construction--unlike certain posters to this forum.
The legal expression you semi-literate, quasi-legal beagle guys are butchering is spelled "LIBEL."
Rockster, perhaps what you might be facing if things got outta hand could be harassment of this slime-ball! As far as libel or slander, which deal respectively with the written or spoken defamation of someone's character,"Zipfur" would have to sue you and PROVE that your statements were untrue and caused him to incur damages. That would expose his shady dealings even more, and cost waaay more than the $215 he owes you and the others. Not likely to happen.
Your actions to-date, i.e. going through appropriate legal channels, and exposing this cretin to your electronically-connected homies, is definitely the wisest approach.
Keep up the intelligent fight.
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<STRONG>Rock Dog, an excellent tome--you have a gift for expository writing and good grammatical construction--unlike certain posters to this forum.
The legal expression you semi-literate, quasi-legal beagle guys are butchering is spelled "LIBEL."
Rockster, perhaps what you might be facing if things got outta hand could be harassment of this slime-ball
! As far as libel or slander, which deal respectively with the written or spoken defamation of someone's character,"Zipfur" would have to sue you and PROVE that your statements were untrue and caused him to incur damages. That would expose his shady dealings even more, and cost waaay more than the $215 he owes you and the others. Not likely to happen.Your actions to-date, i.e. going through appropriate legal channels, and exposing this cretin to your electronically-connected homies, is definitely the wisest approach.
Keep up the intelligent fight.
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You said "Zipfur" hehehe...
08-09-2001, 03:42 PM
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If he's beaten you (so far) for some money, then I'd advise you to continue the legal tactics you've already employed. BUT, harassing him at his job, slander and libel, will get HIM much money. And, if he loses his job over it, you'll be paying him to vacation in Hawaii. Trust me on this, stay legal and stay away from the stalker/harassment tactics...the law is on his side on those.
That said, if he stole something from me, I'd even go so far as to have a "friend" look him up in the DMV...get the pertinent info...and well, you know. I'd be as wrong or even more wrong that he was but by then it's a revenge thing...which hurts both him and me....
dee
That said, if he stole something from me, I'd even go so far as to have a "friend" look him up in the DMV...get the pertinent info...and well, you know. I'd be as wrong or even more wrong that he was but by then it's a revenge thing...which hurts both him and me....
dee
08-09-2001, 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by fbazakos:
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"do you understand the words that are coming outta my mouth??? "
oh, and rockie doggie , Chris shipped my CAI to me the day after we had phone sex
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"do you understand the words that are coming outta my mouth??? "
oh, and rockie doggie , Chris shipped my CAI to me the day after we had phone sex
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