At least it was a real Mustang not that V6 thing they call a Mustang....from a rolling start (about 30mph) i pulled on him a bit and then i guess he hit the gas cuz he pulled on me fast....then from a stop he had me the whole time, my damn tires screached and hw jsut took off....at least he was nice about it and did bother to whomp me after the second kill......damn Mustangs....

 

What kinda stang was it? I got whopped pretty good by one of the old body style stangs on xmas day. I don't know exactly what it was but it was 2 gens old? (the ones that are really square looking, last year to have the 5.0 i think) and the bumper said MUSTANG GT on it. We went for it twice.. once from a red light where he was a car back and he still caught up enough to be right next to me so I had to slow down to get in the lane I needed to be into (I definitely wasn't going to be able to cut infront of him as I was coming up quickly on a median in a turn only lane) Then once again from a red light we were right next to eachother I got a really bad start because I was talking to my passenger and he seriously got a car and a half to two car jump almost right away and then was still gaining on me a little all the way to like 80 or so then I flew by him, but im pretty sure he gave up (either that or those cars have crappy high end gearing)


It really made want some headers + intake + mystery mod!

 

heheheh..... CLP Vs. V8 Stang?? What were you thinking? It is not worth wasting the gas even trying!!

 

Yeah, the boxy style Mustang you're thinking of was made up til '93 but they still used the 5.0 engine in the newer body style til '95 when they switched to the 4.6. Mustangs from that era ('96-'98) were relatively slow but in '99, they got a nice power increase.

He must've backed off at 80. There are no problems with the high end gearing on those cars. I know -I've got one.

 

I dont think your TypeS will be much faster anyway, if the Mustang can blow by him, sure can blow by yours too... I dont think CLP or CLS would make too much differnet when it goes against a REAL Mustang!

 

I agree, from what I've read, the stock CLS is max 0.5 sec faster than CLP in 0-60 then max 1 sec faster in 1/4 mile? So if the Mustang killed the CLP, it would pretty much kill or at least beat a CLS also. Well it also depends on the driver too, i raced this guy at work with a CLS and i killed him by a few car lengths. Only becuase he switchs at around 5k rpm cause he doesnt wanna "kill" his engine. What a waste of a CLS, i keep telling him he should switch with me since he is driving it like a CLP anyways.

 

I beated one of the those "squary" looking Mustang GT 5.0 on the drag strip. I guess his trap speed was i high 80 MPH. May be 86MPH or 88 MPH. I would say 0.5 sec slower in the 1/4 miles.

It felt good to beat a V8 with a V6!. I wished we had a 100/L engine.

 

Agreed... that's why I don't even bother with those Rustangs!

 

I dunno, if it's a 96'-98' OHC V-8 4spd auto you could take him.
Only 225hp BUT 285+ torque.

Any of the 5spds will kill us off the line with all that torque & RWD.

Not geared very tall though , 135-140mph top end (except for Cobra) CL-S should have more top end.

The new 260hp (99+) V-8's are quick with a 5spd & doesn't take much to tweak that motor for more HP.

 

ROOFLEMAOLOALLOLOLLOLOLOLFASRBESHHFDHDOKNW#@%*#^

Yes because having 60 more hp than you and more torque (as much horsepower (albeit less torque) as the Mustang GT) means we don't have any better shot at beating one than you.

Btw I was laughing because "when it goes against a REAL Mustang" sounded like something a six year old would say to his daddy when talking about cars.

 

AHAHAHAHAHA
I always love that comment.

Seriously, who the hell is racing for top-end speed?
Even in a quarter-mile run you're not gonna hit that.
Even on the highway, there is about 99% chance the race is over by 120mph, either from traffic or because most people stop going around that speed.
Not to mention most people only care who can be killed from a stoplight to around 80mph. That's the most you'll see in normal street races.

And we have a whopping NINE miles an hour more than that estimated topend speed you gave the Mustang .... so we don't even have MUCH more top end.

 

Where's Pull-T...he'll give us the low down...

 

I was referring to the general performance characteristics of the
car, not just racing. I just said more, didn't qualify the amount.
My main point was that most Mustangs are geared short. A lot of 3.27 & 3.55 & 3.73 rear ends out there. Strictly quarter mile cars putting the torque the pavement. What those cars excel at!
Often at the loss of top end performance, however academic speeds above 110mph may seem to you.

 

You really have to look at the individual gear ratios, which are shorter than just showing the rear end. Heck the CL-S has a final drive ratio of 4.428, much shorter than mentioned above but each individual gear is taller in the CL-S except maybe 1st.

 

I understand that BUT the BorgWarner T5 & the slightly beefed up T56 have remained essentially unchanged for about a decade.

A "World Class" T5 that Ford Motorsports (SVO) sold had a slightly taller 1st gear to handle the higher torque loads of the
93' Cobra's & there are many aftermarket 6spd Tremec conversions but other than that, the 5 cogs in that BorgWarner box have been the same for sometime.

The first thing most Mustang drag racers do is drop a 3.55 or 3.73 ring & pinion in the rear end.

 

I have 4.30 rear gears and my stock T-45 has a 0.67 5th gear which gives me an overall gearing of 2.881. I won't run out of top end as far as the gear goes untill I reach 185. I however, do not have the power to get there, only about 160-165. I did nothing but gain top end with gears since I can now pull up top with 5th. It takes a lot of hp to pull a tall gear at those speeds, so the shorter 5th gear helps immesnsly.

My redline is 6800 and the 5.0 in issue here is 5800, so it will run out of top end gear wise around 155-160. That is with very short (for a 5.0) 4.30 gears. The more typical 3.27, 3.55 or 3.73 5.0 has way more top end gearwise than that, upwards of 200 mph.

Not trying to bust on you, but referring to losing top end due to raising the rear gear is an old Mustang myth, and not true unless you are talking about seriously short 4.56-4.88+ gears.

 

4.10's , damn!
I have never seen a STOCK Mustang 5.0L or 4.6L SOHC GT generate top end over 140-145mph. I'm sure some of this has to do with aerodynamic drag & frontal area but 3.55 & 3.73 may work for top end on the high revving COBRA motor but unless the 5.0L has a GT40 package or a aftermarket equivalent (306ci Edelbrock, Trickflow etc.) it won't see much past 140mph.
Not sure what kind of numbers a blown 4.6L SOHC (or a 5.0L for that matter) would generate BUT.....another story
been a few years since I was on www.corral.net , I need to go reminisce about my 95' Mustang GT

Your COBRA is a NICE car! Last of it's kind really. Love the sound of that exhaust!

Be interesting to see what happens with next gen. Mustang on the DEW98 platform.

Also I'm sure GM will have some kind of limited production Camaro out in a few years with retro styling & a LS1/LS6 derivative.

p.s. T45 , knew I had the reworked T5 nomenclature wrong
the T56 is the BorgWarner 6spd ??
Did Tremec buy the rights to that ???

 

4.30s, DAMN you mean It may sound like a lot, but it really is the same level of "aggressiveness" as 3.73s would be to the 5.0s...

You are correct, no stock 5.0 or SOHC could go much more than 140-145 and a stock cobra would top out around there too, maybe 10 mph more at best. My basic point was it was more due to lack of hp to overcome the drag rather than the gearing.

Yes, the T56 is the 6 speed found in the Vettes and CamBirds and yes, Tremec bought BorgWarner's whole tranny line, both good ,the T56 and bad , the T-45 - my tranny

 

I hate the 5min edit limit on this board!!

I knew the F-bodies used the BorgWarner but didn't the C4 Vette's use a ZF 6spd . I think that's what BMW uses.

 

They used the ZF in the later C4s (C4s go from 84-96), but the earlier ones used the 4+3 tranny which was based off of a Super T10, which I think was a Muncie unit. Not sure when they made the switch to the 6 speed, though, sometime around 1990.