Free Thermoblok Spacers for someone Near Indy
09-30-2004, 09:04 AM
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Free Thermoblok Spacers for someone Near Indy
Hey Guys,
Well I think I may be the first person in the world to have a set of Thermoblok spacers for a CL Type-S. I just ordered a set. THey have not had a CL available to dyno yet and they would install the kit and dyno the car for free if somebody wants to bring their car in. They are just north of Indianapolis IN. There is a map on their website.
Well I think I may be the first person in the world to have a set of Thermoblok spacers for a CL Type-S. I just ordered a set. THey have not had a CL available to dyno yet and they would install the kit and dyno the car for free if somebody wants to bring their car in. They are just north of Indianapolis IN. There is a map on their website.
09-30-2004, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by withoutcomp1
Are they making them for our cars now? i tried getting a set a year ago but they were not for the type s
09-30-2004, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by withoutcomp1
How much?
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09-30-2004, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by punju420
i'm in indy occassionally, how much HP boost have you seen?
09-30-2004, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by car_lost
i posted about these a while ago. glad to see they made some for the type-s 
09-30-2004, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Revanche
I'm about 45 mins north of Indy... I'll stop by if you still need someone with a 2002 TL-P. Hit me up on the PM.
09-30-2004, 02:56 PM
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09-30-2004, 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Revanche
I'm about 45 mins north of Indy... I'll stop by if you still need someone with a 2002 TL-P. Hit me up on the PM.
09-30-2004, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
These replace the intake manifold and throttle body gaskets correct? I'm assuming the throttle body "spacer" will not work with the Comptech S/C installed.
10-09-2004, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
I wonder if the intake manifold spacer would have any benefit with the S/C installed as well?
What about turbo or supercharging?
The tensile strength of the phenolic material is certainly high enough to withstand any level of boost. Remember that the increased pressure of the intake charge is contained within rubber and silicon hoses held with hose clamps. Outlaw Engineering knows of customers that run ThermoBloks in addition to turbo or supercharging.
The tensile strength of the phenolic material is certainly high enough to withstand any level of boost. Remember that the increased pressure of the intake charge is contained within rubber and silicon hoses held with hose clamps. Outlaw Engineering knows of customers that run ThermoBloks in addition to turbo or supercharging.
10-09-2004, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mrsteve
These replace the intake manifold and throttle body gaskets correct? I'm assuming the throttle body "spacer" will not work with the Comptech S/C installed.
10-09-2004, 10:12 PM
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Whoever dynos their car, be sure to register the ECT readings (hard readings from the ECU) as some of the power gains could be masked.
IMO, in this application the EGT gases will still have to pass through the manifold raising the temperature regardless of what heat transfer is limited by a spacer. In other words, there is little to no benefit. Just touch the cover plates on the manifold. It is hot because of the EGT gases, not convection heating. This heat transfer will still be present unless they block the EGR port. If so they are in violation of federal law.
IMO, in this application the EGT gases will still have to pass through the manifold raising the temperature regardless of what heat transfer is limited by a spacer. In other words, there is little to no benefit. Just touch the cover plates on the manifold. It is hot because of the EGT gases, not convection heating. This heat transfer will still be present unless they block the EGR port. If so they are in violation of federal law.
10-11-2004, 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by scalbert
Whoever dynos their car, be sure to register the ECT readings (hard readings from the ECU) as some of the power gains could be masked.
IMO, in this application the EGT gases will still have to pass through the manifold raising the temperature regardless of what heat transfer is limited by a spacer. In other words, there is little to no benefit. Just touch the cover plates on the manifold. It is hot because of the EGT gases, not convection heating. This heat transfer will still be present unless they block the EGR port. If so they are in violation of federal law.
IMO, in this application the EGT gases will still have to pass through the manifold raising the temperature regardless of what heat transfer is limited by a spacer. In other words, there is little to no benefit. Just touch the cover plates on the manifold. It is hot because of the EGT gases, not convection heating. This heat transfer will still be present unless they block the EGR port. If so they are in violation of federal law.
On a side note. I bypassed the coolant to the TB when I installed the spacers. The car was sluggish and didn't pull well in the upper RPMs. I was going to remove the spacers but when I got the upper intake cover off I smelled raw fuel. Hmmmmm. I decided to hook the coolant lines back up and try again. The car runs fine now which leads me to believe that the heated TB does more than just prevent freezing. Bypassing the coolant made my car run really rich.
10-21-2004, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by typeR
do these guys make heatshield gaskets for the headers too?
10-21-2004, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by typeR
and is this kit to include the intaket gasket?
10-21-2004, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ChadT
There would be no benefit. The exhaust port of the head is going to be about the same temp as the header. The intake has a constant flow of cold air going through it. It only gets heated from heat transfer from the heads. The spacer reduces this effect. Actually my manifold is cool to the touch after a drive.
10-22-2004, 04:46 PM
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Send an e-mail to Sean at sales@outlawengineering.com . He should be able to tell you when they will be available or he may have another set he will sell. Seems like a pretty decent guy.
keep us posted on those dyno results.
10-25-2004, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ant7701
I'm highly intrested as well, when is the dyno??
10-25-2004, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by ChadT
I just got an e-mail from Sean at Outlaw. He says he did a TLS install and should have numbers soon.
11-08-2004, 09:49 AM
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The results are in.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...05#post1010905
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...05#post1010905
At long last, we have results...there's a ton of information, so I'll try to recap here, but if you want to see all the raw data, PM me and I'll email the file to you. If I can get the charts from Excel into a format to post, I'll do so in the next couple of days...
To give you a little background, Sean (from Outlaw) kept the car most of the day. He ran the car for about 60 mins before the thermoblock, then installed and ran the car again for another 60 mins...about 5 test runs before and 4 test runs after. He ran at different speeds per gear, etc. Temp. outside was about 80 deg. with humidity around 58%. Oh, I don't have a CAI, just stock (this def. makes me want to get moving on replacing soon)
Overall peak gain is 8.6hp (4.4%) & 9.2 ft-lb (4.4%) of torque at 4900 rpms. At 5000 rpms, there was an overall increase of 7.8hp (3.9%) & 8.2 ft-lb of torque (3.9%).
Before mod, after 40 mins of test driving, the intake manifold temp got up to 179 degrees, after mod, temp was 149. The longer the engine ran, the bigger the difference was in engine before and after temp.
I think that's the important stuff you'd want to know...basically it's a great mod and if you have a CAI, your results can most likely turn out better. As for Sean at Outlaw, he was very friendly and professional...I certainly recommend giving him a shot.
Cheers!
To give you a little background, Sean (from Outlaw) kept the car most of the day. He ran the car for about 60 mins before the thermoblock, then installed and ran the car again for another 60 mins...about 5 test runs before and 4 test runs after. He ran at different speeds per gear, etc. Temp. outside was about 80 deg. with humidity around 58%. Oh, I don't have a CAI, just stock (this def. makes me want to get moving on replacing soon)
Overall peak gain is 8.6hp (4.4%) & 9.2 ft-lb (4.4%) of torque at 4900 rpms. At 5000 rpms, there was an overall increase of 7.8hp (3.9%) & 8.2 ft-lb of torque (3.9%).
Before mod, after 40 mins of test driving, the intake manifold temp got up to 179 degrees, after mod, temp was 149. The longer the engine ran, the bigger the difference was in engine before and after temp.
I think that's the important stuff you'd want to know...basically it's a great mod and if you have a CAI, your results can most likely turn out better. As for Sean at Outlaw, he was very friendly and professional...I certainly recommend giving him a shot.
Cheers!