First test drive of a 04 Acura TL 6spd by me
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First test drive of a 04 Acura TL 6spd by me
Well, I have many cars I can compare it too, but the closest one would be my 2002 CL-S.
Cosmetic Exterior:
When I walked up to the car, I was amazed how the car looked. It has a agreesive look. From the sides and the back it has a BMW look to it. The front is typical Acura but it looks great. Compared to my CL-S, this car is a drivers car definitely.
Cosmetic Interior:
Sat in the car. First thing I noticed as the seats are comfortable but not as supportive as my CL-S was. I think this could be a good thing because they aren't so stiff. Good power adjustments to meet anyones seating requirements. The dash layout, buttons, stereo, and gauges were all layed out very well and easy to read. Interior space is a definite plus on this car. The trunk still has plenty of room for stuff.
Stereo: One of the best factory stereos I have heard. I tried XM as well and it came in very clear.
Manual Tranny:
The 6spd gear box is very smooth, and not long throws. It was precise. It wasn't hard to mis-shift if you wanted too. The clutch was toucy, but very smooth engaging. Much better than Nissans.
Engine/Power:
This car has some major power that wanted to be unleashed. I had to do it. I didn't abuse it though I only took it up to redline in one gear to see how well it pulled. It only had 70~ miles. 1st gear was crazy. Even with VSA on, it still managed to brake the tires loose instantly when I stabbed the gas from a 5mph roll. I hate to see it wtih VSA off. 2nd gear and 3rd gear pull especially on the highway. It will actually throw you back in the seat getting on it. I am really impressed. This car seems to have more punch than my CL-S did with headers. My CL-S ran 14.42 at 99.8 mph, so this gives you a idea where I am coming from with this. Cruising on the highway in 6th gear at around 70 mph with the rpms floating around 2200~, the car didn't have alot of power to increase the speed, but it had enough to do what it was needed. Not enough for passing. 3rd gear passing I tested was extremly fast and powerful. Even 4th and 5th are good.
Ride/Handling:
The car handles better than my CL-S ever did. My 03 1.8t A4 with sport package handles almost identical as the new TL does. The car has a smooth ride, a little bit of wind noise (could be due to the strong winds we have today). Tire noise was noticeable, but not loud. Vibration I did feel slightly, nothing annoying though. It is defintely a highway cruiser.
Brakes:
WOW! I have never driven a car except the G35 Coupe that had such touchy brakes. I almost threw both the salesmen and me through the windshield a few times. My Pathfinder brakes take much more to slow down, but not so with the TL. Barely hit it, bam I am slowed down.
Comparing it to my A4, CL-S and a G35 I have driven, this car is definitely worth the money over them. I wouldn't even think twice.
Conclusion:
For the buck, and what you get. This car is it. It might be FWD, but who would buy a car likes this to race? Go get a MUSTANG or something else to abuse, not this car. IF you drive around 100 miles a day and spend most of your time in the car, you really want something to keep you happy. This car will do it.
I can say now that after owning my Pathfinder 6 months, and needed a way to pull my Jetski, its definite going to be traded in on a TL by the end of 2004. I plan to purchase a 2005 TL after the bugs are fixed if they are any. I hope and some of you might cry, but I plan to get a baby hitch for it so I can pull my Honda AquaTrax Turbo jetski behind it. That will be a sight!
The one I drove was $32k the dealer was asking. Not sure if thats good or not for the package it had. It did not have NAV, but when I order one it will. So no review of that at this moment.
Okay, any comments?
Cosmetic Exterior:
When I walked up to the car, I was amazed how the car looked. It has a agreesive look. From the sides and the back it has a BMW look to it. The front is typical Acura but it looks great. Compared to my CL-S, this car is a drivers car definitely.
Cosmetic Interior:
Sat in the car. First thing I noticed as the seats are comfortable but not as supportive as my CL-S was. I think this could be a good thing because they aren't so stiff. Good power adjustments to meet anyones seating requirements. The dash layout, buttons, stereo, and gauges were all layed out very well and easy to read. Interior space is a definite plus on this car. The trunk still has plenty of room for stuff.
Stereo: One of the best factory stereos I have heard. I tried XM as well and it came in very clear.
Manual Tranny:
The 6spd gear box is very smooth, and not long throws. It was precise. It wasn't hard to mis-shift if you wanted too. The clutch was toucy, but very smooth engaging. Much better than Nissans.
Engine/Power:
This car has some major power that wanted to be unleashed. I had to do it. I didn't abuse it though I only took it up to redline in one gear to see how well it pulled. It only had 70~ miles. 1st gear was crazy. Even with VSA on, it still managed to brake the tires loose instantly when I stabbed the gas from a 5mph roll. I hate to see it wtih VSA off. 2nd gear and 3rd gear pull especially on the highway. It will actually throw you back in the seat getting on it. I am really impressed. This car seems to have more punch than my CL-S did with headers. My CL-S ran 14.42 at 99.8 mph, so this gives you a idea where I am coming from with this. Cruising on the highway in 6th gear at around 70 mph with the rpms floating around 2200~, the car didn't have alot of power to increase the speed, but it had enough to do what it was needed. Not enough for passing. 3rd gear passing I tested was extremly fast and powerful. Even 4th and 5th are good.
Ride/Handling:
The car handles better than my CL-S ever did. My 03 1.8t A4 with sport package handles almost identical as the new TL does. The car has a smooth ride, a little bit of wind noise (could be due to the strong winds we have today). Tire noise was noticeable, but not loud. Vibration I did feel slightly, nothing annoying though. It is defintely a highway cruiser.
Brakes:
WOW! I have never driven a car except the G35 Coupe that had such touchy brakes. I almost threw both the salesmen and me through the windshield a few times. My Pathfinder brakes take much more to slow down, but not so with the TL. Barely hit it, bam I am slowed down.
Comparing it to my A4, CL-S and a G35 I have driven, this car is definitely worth the money over them. I wouldn't even think twice.
Conclusion:
For the buck, and what you get. This car is it. It might be FWD, but who would buy a car likes this to race? Go get a MUSTANG or something else to abuse, not this car. IF you drive around 100 miles a day and spend most of your time in the car, you really want something to keep you happy. This car will do it.
I can say now that after owning my Pathfinder 6 months, and needed a way to pull my Jetski, its definite going to be traded in on a TL by the end of 2004. I plan to purchase a 2005 TL after the bugs are fixed if they are any. I hope and some of you might cry, but I plan to get a baby hitch for it so I can pull my Honda AquaTrax Turbo jetski behind it. That will be a sight!
The one I drove was $32k the dealer was asking. Not sure if thats good or not for the package it had. It did not have NAV, but when I order one it will. So no review of that at this moment.
Okay, any comments?
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Needs AWD.
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good review of a great car.
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Originally posted by 1killercls
Needs AWD.
Needs AWD.
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Originally posted by mattg
yeah, that would be great for you down in FLA.
yeah, that would be great for you down in FLA.
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Well they happen to sell this car in States other than Florida. ![Doh](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/doh.gif)
And during the summer here we have TORRENTIAL DOWNPOURS just about every day, AWD would be a BLESSING on these roads.
Not to mention the Handling Improvements
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And during the summer here we have TORRENTIAL DOWNPOURS just about every day, AWD would be a BLESSING on these roads.
Not to mention the Handling Improvements
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you are right killer. awd is awesome in the wet. and for launching at the track.
but a front fwd '04 TL is a verycapable all around car.
as for handling improvements. a lot of people say rwd > awd.
but a front fwd '04 TL is a verycapable all around car.
as for handling improvements. a lot of people say rwd > awd.
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Originally posted by 1killercls
Not to mention the Handling Improvements
Not to mention the Handling Improvements
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Seriously though, many AWD system, while they improve grip, don't necessarily improve handling.
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AWD = extra weight
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Originally posted by lou
my only gripe is the $$$ why the increase is MSRP when engine and tranny are revisions of the previous.
I like the car tho
my only gripe is the $$$ why the increase is MSRP when engine and tranny are revisions of the previous.
I like the car tho
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Most likely cause the invoice cost to the dealerships increased as well.
Most likely cause the invoice cost to the dealerships increased as well.
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Originally posted by mattg
i'd say that's because the new tl has been completely redesigned and is a superior vehicle than the previous generation tl/cl.
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The TL is definateley a better car than the current CL-S/TL-S. I drove a 6-speeder as well.
While I don't necessarily think the car is that quick... it certainly excels in every other department. It is on-par with a stock CL-S 6spd - probably NOT going to hit 100mph in the 1/4-mile stock!
However... I think this car should not be drag-raced. Tune the car for power and handling... but leave it at that!
Oh yeah... the tranny/clutch/pressure-plate is the same
While I don't necessarily think the car is that quick... it certainly excels in every other department. It is on-par with a stock CL-S 6spd - probably NOT going to hit 100mph in the 1/4-mile stock!
However... I think this car should not be drag-raced. Tune the car for power and handling... but leave it at that!
Oh yeah... the tranny/clutch/pressure-plate is the same
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i think he needs to change his user text. he owns a new pathfinder.
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Re: First test drive of a 04 Acura TL 6spd by me
Originally posted by SilverBullet
Well, I have many cars I can compare it too, but the closest one would be my 2002 CL-S.
Cosmetic Exterior:
When I walked up to the car, I was amazed how the car looked. It has a agreesive look. From the sides and the back it has a BMW look to it. The front is typical Acura but it looks great. Compared to my CL-S, this car is a drivers car definitely.
Cosmetic Interior:
Sat in the car. First thing I noticed as the seats are comfortable but not as supportive as my CL-S was. I think this could be a good thing because they aren't so stiff. Good power adjustments to meet anyones seating requirements. The dash layout, buttons, stereo, and gauges were all layed out very well and easy to read. Interior space is a definite plus on this car. The trunk still has plenty of room for stuff.
Stereo: One of the best factory stereos I have heard. I tried XM as well and it came in very clear.
Manual Tranny:
The 6spd gear box is very smooth, and not long throws. It was precise. It wasn't hard to mis-shift if you wanted too. The clutch was toucy, but very smooth engaging. Much better than Nissans.
Engine/Power:
This car has some major power that wanted to be unleashed. I had to do it. I didn't abuse it though I only took it up to redline in one gear to see how well it pulled. It only had 70~ miles. 1st gear was crazy. Even with VSA on, it still managed to brake the tires loose instantly when I stabbed the gas from a 5mph roll. I hate to see it wtih VSA off. 2nd gear and 3rd gear pull especially on the highway. It will actually throw you back in the seat getting on it. I am really impressed. This car seems to have more punch than my CL-S did with headers. My CL-S ran 14.42 at 99.8 mph, so this gives you a idea where I am coming from with this. Cruising on the highway in 6th gear at around 70 mph with the rpms floating around 2200~, the car didn't have alot of power to increase the speed, but it had enough to do what it was needed. Not enough for passing. 3rd gear passing I tested was extremly fast and powerful. Even 4th and 5th are good.
Ride/Handling:
The car handles better than my CL-S ever did. My 03 1.8t A4 with sport package handles almost identical as the new TL does. The car has a smooth ride, a little bit of wind noise (could be due to the strong winds we have today). Tire noise was noticeable, but not loud. Vibration I did feel slightly, nothing annoying though. It is defintely a highway cruiser.
Brakes:
WOW! I have never driven a car except the G35 Coupe that had such touchy brakes. I almost threw both the salesmen and me through the windshield a few times. My Pathfinder brakes take much more to slow down, but not so with the TL. Barely hit it, bam I am slowed down.
Comparing it to my A4, CL-S and a G35 I have driven, this car is definitely worth the money over them. I wouldn't even think twice.
Conclusion:
For the buck, and what you get. This car is it. It might be FWD, but who would buy a car likes this to race? Go get a MUSTANG or something else to abuse, not this car. IF you drive around 100 miles a day and spend most of your time in the car, you really want something to keep you happy. This car will do it.
I can say now that after owning my Pathfinder 6 months, and needed a way to pull my Jetski, its definite going to be traded in on a TL by the end of 2004. I plan to purchase a 2005 TL after the bugs are fixed if they are any. I hope and some of you might cry, but I plan to get a baby hitch for it so I can pull my Honda AquaTrax Turbo jetski behind it. That will be a sight!
The one I drove was $32k the dealer was asking. Not sure if thats good or not for the package it had. It did not have NAV, but when I order one it will. So no review of that at this moment.
Okay, any comments?
Well, I have many cars I can compare it too, but the closest one would be my 2002 CL-S.
Cosmetic Exterior:
When I walked up to the car, I was amazed how the car looked. It has a agreesive look. From the sides and the back it has a BMW look to it. The front is typical Acura but it looks great. Compared to my CL-S, this car is a drivers car definitely.
Cosmetic Interior:
Sat in the car. First thing I noticed as the seats are comfortable but not as supportive as my CL-S was. I think this could be a good thing because they aren't so stiff. Good power adjustments to meet anyones seating requirements. The dash layout, buttons, stereo, and gauges were all layed out very well and easy to read. Interior space is a definite plus on this car. The trunk still has plenty of room for stuff.
Stereo: One of the best factory stereos I have heard. I tried XM as well and it came in very clear.
Manual Tranny:
The 6spd gear box is very smooth, and not long throws. It was precise. It wasn't hard to mis-shift if you wanted too. The clutch was toucy, but very smooth engaging. Much better than Nissans.
Engine/Power:
This car has some major power that wanted to be unleashed. I had to do it. I didn't abuse it though I only took it up to redline in one gear to see how well it pulled. It only had 70~ miles. 1st gear was crazy. Even with VSA on, it still managed to brake the tires loose instantly when I stabbed the gas from a 5mph roll. I hate to see it wtih VSA off. 2nd gear and 3rd gear pull especially on the highway. It will actually throw you back in the seat getting on it. I am really impressed. This car seems to have more punch than my CL-S did with headers. My CL-S ran 14.42 at 99.8 mph, so this gives you a idea where I am coming from with this. Cruising on the highway in 6th gear at around 70 mph with the rpms floating around 2200~, the car didn't have alot of power to increase the speed, but it had enough to do what it was needed. Not enough for passing. 3rd gear passing I tested was extremly fast and powerful. Even 4th and 5th are good.
Ride/Handling:
The car handles better than my CL-S ever did. My 03 1.8t A4 with sport package handles almost identical as the new TL does. The car has a smooth ride, a little bit of wind noise (could be due to the strong winds we have today). Tire noise was noticeable, but not loud. Vibration I did feel slightly, nothing annoying though. It is defintely a highway cruiser.
Brakes:
WOW! I have never driven a car except the G35 Coupe that had such touchy brakes. I almost threw both the salesmen and me through the windshield a few times. My Pathfinder brakes take much more to slow down, but not so with the TL. Barely hit it, bam I am slowed down.
Comparing it to my A4, CL-S and a G35 I have driven, this car is definitely worth the money over them. I wouldn't even think twice.
Conclusion:
For the buck, and what you get. This car is it. It might be FWD, but who would buy a car likes this to race? Go get a MUSTANG or something else to abuse, not this car. IF you drive around 100 miles a day and spend most of your time in the car, you really want something to keep you happy. This car will do it.
I can say now that after owning my Pathfinder 6 months, and needed a way to pull my Jetski, its definite going to be traded in on a TL by the end of 2004. I plan to purchase a 2005 TL after the bugs are fixed if they are any. I hope and some of you might cry, but I plan to get a baby hitch for it so I can pull my Honda AquaTrax Turbo jetski behind it. That will be a sight!
The one I drove was $32k the dealer was asking. Not sure if thats good or not for the package it had. It did not have NAV, but when I order one it will. So no review of that at this moment.
Okay, any comments?
don't even worry about pulling with a new tl-6spd.
i pull an 02' sea-doo sportster LT, (14.5ft twin engine jet boat) 1600lbs. with my 03' cl-s 6spd. it doesn't even phase the cl when i pull the boat out of the water. pulls extremely well. i've been trying to post a pic of the boat/car but it doesn't seem to work.
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anyone know how to pull a pic from "my documents" to post.
i hit browse and pull up the pic to attach it but it sends me back to "detect network settings"
i hit browse and pull up the pic to attach it but it sends me back to "detect network settings"
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most people whop drive 6 speeds say they FEEl faster than modded autos but in actuality they are not, its just what u feel
and as far as awd, i rather have rwd, cause awd is only good for the luanch but slows down your trap and high end power
and as far as awd, i rather have rwd, cause awd is only good for the luanch but slows down your trap and high end power
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Re: Re: First test drive of a 04 Acura TL 6spd by me
Originally posted by EVANCRUZ
don't even worry about pulling with a new tl-6spd.
i pull an 02' sea-doo sportster LT, (14.5ft twin engine jet boat) 1600lbs. with my 03' cl-s 6spd. it doesn't even phase the cl when i pull the boat out of the water. pulls extremely well. i've been trying to post a pic of the boat/car but it doesn't seem to work.
don't even worry about pulling with a new tl-6spd.
i pull an 02' sea-doo sportster LT, (14.5ft twin engine jet boat) 1600lbs. with my 03' cl-s 6spd. it doesn't even phase the cl when i pull the boat out of the water. pulls extremely well. i've been trying to post a pic of the boat/car but it doesn't seem to work.
ok lets see if this link works
this pic was taken before tires and springs
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkP...5ad73798&size=
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Originally posted by darrinb
most people whop drive 6 speeds say they FEEl faster than modded autos but in actuality they are not, its just what u feel
most people whop drive 6 speeds say they FEEl faster than modded autos but in actuality they are not, its just what u feel
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Re: Re: Re: First test drive of a 04 Acura TL 6spd by me
Originally posted by EVANCRUZ
ok lets see if this link works
this pic was taken before tires and springs
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkP...5ad73798&size=
ok lets see if this link works
this pic was taken before tires and springs
http://www.hpphoto.com/servlet/LinkP...5ad73798&size=
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Nice review.
But here's a comment/thought.
We ALL know Honda/Acura makes some of the best motors around. # of hp per liter is amazing.
BUT... Can they continue to up the ante in horsepower to keep pace with the others and still remain FWD? Every single review I've read has mentioned the gobs of torque steer the car has. Pretty soon, 300hp in a sedan will be no big deal. But putting that much power down to the front wheels seems a little, well... silly, no?
I dunno... Just babbling.
But here's a comment/thought.
We ALL know Honda/Acura makes some of the best motors around. # of hp per liter is amazing.
BUT... Can they continue to up the ante in horsepower to keep pace with the others and still remain FWD? Every single review I've read has mentioned the gobs of torque steer the car has. Pretty soon, 300hp in a sedan will be no big deal. But putting that much power down to the front wheels seems a little, well... silly, no?
I dunno... Just babbling.
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For major mechanicals the 04 TL 6 speed is not very different than my 03 CLS 6 speed. It may be smoother acceleration tho. The TL interior is nice, stereo is better, XM, and some new gadgets but otherwise I wouldn't trade my 6 speed CLS for the 6 speed TL for those reasons, only if I wanted a 4 door, and I don't. If there comes a new coupe then that is another matter.
I agree the brakes on the TL were too touchy, there is very little room for gradually applying brakes. I hoped that as they wear they will moderate some. It's a very nice car and should sell well, but honestly I have seen very, very few on the roads here. The dealer did have one in for repair that corporate was wanting to examine. Something concerning the car losing power or dying, I can't remember exactly. No one at the dealer could touch it til the bigshots could check it out.
I agree the brakes on the TL were too touchy, there is very little room for gradually applying brakes. I hoped that as they wear they will moderate some. It's a very nice car and should sell well, but honestly I have seen very, very few on the roads here. The dealer did have one in for repair that corporate was wanting to examine. Something concerning the car losing power or dying, I can't remember exactly. No one at the dealer could touch it til the bigshots could check it out.
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Nice review.
But here's a comment/thought.
We ALL know Honda/Acura makes some of the best motors around. # of hp per liter is amazing.
BUT... Can they continue to up the ante in horsepower to keep pace with the others and still remain FWD? Every single review I've read has mentioned the gobs of torque steer the car has. Pretty soon, 300hp in a sedan will be no big deal. But putting that much power down to the front wheels seems a little, well... silly, no?
I dunno... Just babbling.
Nice review.
But here's a comment/thought.
We ALL know Honda/Acura makes some of the best motors around. # of hp per liter is amazing.
BUT... Can they continue to up the ante in horsepower to keep pace with the others and still remain FWD? Every single review I've read has mentioned the gobs of torque steer the car has. Pretty soon, 300hp in a sedan will be no big deal. But putting that much power down to the front wheels seems a little, well... silly, no?
I dunno... Just babbling.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: First test drive of a 04 Acura TL 6spd by me
Originally posted by SilverBullet
Very nice. Just hope a hitch is made for it eventually.
Very nice. Just hope a hitch is made for it eventually.
silverbullit,
give u-haul a couple months they will have one
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Originally posted by scalbert
No, the shorter gearing and lighter weight make a difference.
No, the shorter gearing and lighter weight make a difference.
but i think 8/10 times a modded auto(i/h) will take a stock six speed in a straight line race
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Originally posted by darrinb
but i think 8/10 times a modded auto(i/h) will take a stock six speed in a straight line race
but i think 8/10 times a modded auto(i/h) will take a stock six speed in a straight line race
Now, this is assuming equal launches which is harder to achieve in the 6-Speed. From a 20MPH roll starting in 1st would be a better indicator eliminating the launch.
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Originally posted by scalbert
Only due to the launch. Look at the specifics; a stock 6-Speed will put down between 215 - 220 WHP. Most standard modded 5AT CL-S will make in the 225 WHP range. That 5 - 10 WHP deficit is offset by the weight difference. Now consider the more aggressive gearing in the 6-Speed and based on the numbers it should edge out the 5AT. Edge out should be stressed as it would be minimal.
Now, this is assuming equal launches which is harder to achieve in the 6-Speed. From a 20MPH roll starting in 1st would be a better indicator eliminating the launch.
Only due to the launch. Look at the specifics; a stock 6-Speed will put down between 215 - 220 WHP. Most standard modded 5AT CL-S will make in the 225 WHP range. That 5 - 10 WHP deficit is offset by the weight difference. Now consider the more aggressive gearing in the 6-Speed and based on the numbers it should edge out the 5AT. Edge out should be stressed as it would be minimal.
Now, this is assuming equal launches which is harder to achieve in the 6-Speed. From a 20MPH roll starting in 1st would be a better indicator eliminating the launch.
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Originally posted by darrinb
a auto w/ i/h should be puttin down over 230
a auto w/ i/h should be puttin down over 230
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Now consider the more aggressive gearing in the 6-Speed and based on the numbers it should edge out the 5AT.
Now consider the more aggressive gearing in the 6-Speed and based on the numbers it should edge out the 5AT.
AT MT
2.5 3.9
1.5 2.4
1.0 1.7
1.2
4.4 3.2