berny

Went to the track. First time. I'm COMPLETELY STOCK, 2002 CL-S

conditions:

- I had about 125-150 lbs of weight extra on my car (old rotors, 2 soccer bags, mad other
shit in trunk)

reaction time: 0.173
I1: 2.577
I2: 0.000
I3: 10.902
1/4: 17.018


Now someone, please, tell me why? I'm really wondering if my car is in good shape, or if it's just me that can't

I was in sportshift and held the brakes while reving at 2500rpm. As soon as the 3 yellow light lit, I was on the gas. From then, I just waited for 2nd to pop, then waited for 6800rpm, shift to 3rd, and waited for 6700rpm again...

What am I doing wrong, and please answer the following: What kind of times should I be expecting?!?!?

Help

rezurex

dude we run mid-high 14's stock. broken actuator is my guess...

berny

broken actuator? resurex, lol, what's an actuator? Is it covered under oem warranty and extended warranty?

Mike

ouch what did you trap? only 1 run?

berny

2 runs, first was 17.29 quarter mile.

Would you say it's the actuator too?

rezurex

it sounds like more than just an actuator. what were the conditions? under really bad conditions cl-s's have been known to run in the low 15's. 17 is just unacceptable under any circumstance.

do a search on the actuator, they do rob you of hp in higher end... but that alone wont put u in 17 seconds IMO.

farberstyle

^ go a little easy, he said its his first time. anything is possible.

a 2.5 60' (im guessing thats the #1 time) will definately put you in the 16-17. work on your reaction and launch and you should have better results.

derelict

Reaction time has no bearing on the E/T. And a 2.5 60' doesn't even put a CL-S in the 16's... something else is wrong - a broken actuator sounds like a good start, but I don't think that problem alone is enough to account for such a high 1/4 time.

white3.0

well firt time at the track, mabe broken actuator, alot of needless weight and a bad lauch will throw u up there...

Seattle Cl-S

My first time at the track I ran a high 15 sec pass...and I have a supercharger. The launch is KEY!!! A 2.1 60 ft. gets me into the 13's and a 2.3 60 ft. holds me to low 14's. It makes ALL the difference.

Was your VSA off? The car cuts fuel if it detects traction loss...which ALWAYS happens in 1st/2nd gears.

Dem1K

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I don't see why pepole say to turn off the VSA? It seems that when I turn off the VSA, and floor it from a stop...I get more wheelspin than when I keep VSA on?

goldmemberer

Simple. VSA cuts off power to re-gain traction. Turning it off means your launch depends on your skill, with which you can adjust to the conditions. Flooring it is only half the story here. With VSA, if you go over a certain threshold, you're losing power.

And isn't berny's R/T fucking excellent? 0.173 is one of the lowest I've ever seen. Broken actuator is my guess too.

berny

that's what I've been told by many people, that my reaction time was excellent!!
I'll go check out my actuator this afternoon, but how do I get my '60 lower?

And by the way, both runs, I would get killed by a corrado vr6 that did 15.39 1/4 mile!

If I fix my actuator, lose the weight, work on a better '60, I'd get low 15's for sure, eh?

Unless they sold me a CL-P !"$/"/%$"$/%????

F23A4

AFAIK, .500 is a perfect R/T. <.500 is redlighting.

berny

I didn't red light, that I'm sure of...
And you're not helping me find the problem, heheheh

berny

MY VSA was off....

rezurex

15's are unacceptable as well. what were the conditions (temp, humidity)? check weather.com for the area and date where the track was and let us know.

also, the elevation, if its above sea level.

berny

Temperature: 17C
Humidity: 77%
kPA: 101.84

that's the day's statistics.... I want to get to the bottom of this... I'll start by check the actuator this afternoon, but what else could it be?

Seattle Cl-S

I'm willing to bet if you can get your 60' to 2.1 or 2.2 then you'll easily be mid-15's. Your actuator will probably get you back a couple of tenths as well.

A good run for a bone stock CLS is high 14's, low 15's.

berny

Seattle, I agree, but my '60 was 2.577, which is almost 5.6, in other words, horrible.
I was brake torquing at 2200 rpm, my R/T was 0.17
So what the hell am I doing wrong, is the actuator gonna make a difference on my '60?

If not, then what am I doing wrong?

mrsteve

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Not necesarily. Tracks are converting to a different system now due to different rules in different classes of racing. Previously, a perfect reaction time for professional, and some sportsman drivers, was a .400. For the remaining sportsman competitors a .500-light was considered a perfect reaction time. Under the new changes, the timing system will be modified to display a perfect reaction time as .000 for all categories All of my local tracks (4 of them) have switched all classes to run a .000 a perfect light. Anything below a .000 (negative numbers) would be a red light. This makes it easier for everyone watching the racing, people moving from one class to another, etc. Also, tracks are switching to LED lighting instead of incandescent bulbs, these light up faster and are less prone to damage from the vibrations of louder cars.

berny

, but what about my car? LOL

mrsteve

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What is the elevation of the track, what was your trap speed, what were your tire's psi set to? Not enough information to figure this out yet.

berny

elevation, I have no clue. what's trap speed?
and for the psi, I don't know, but what should it be set to?

Dem1K

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trap speed...your ET mph...how fast were you going when you hit your 1/4 mile time.

fron't should be ran at about 25psi, rears at around 40psi. Care to correct me mtsteve? I'm not sure if that's 100% correct.

berny

if trap speed = 1/4 mile speed time, then it was 17.018

thanks for the psi info dem1k

mrsteve

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No we mean your speed when you finished the 1/4 mile, not time. i.e., MPH or kph

berny

80mph

berny

YOU GUYS ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
My actuator is broken, it doesn't rotate nor even budge when I rev over 4000rpm... getting it fixed at the beginning of the week, I will lose the weight off of my car and get back to you on the situation.

thanks again everyone!

Dem1K

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no problem...

however you got the trap speed thing confused. I meant that your trap speed is how fast in MPH you were going when you got the 17 second 1/4 mile time. Understand? Like...93mph? 95mph?

edit: looks like I'm a tad late on this lol...glad to see you found the problem

mrsteve

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80 is still damn slow.

With only an IceBox and a broken actuator I ran 15.1 @ 91 MPH.

Dem1K

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that is true...I thought that even w/ a broken actuator, people were running around mid-high 80's? and were running around 15.5ish?

mrsteve

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Still don't know what the elevation of the track is or what the weather conditions were.

berny

I already posted the temperature:

Temperature: 17C
Humidity: 77%
kPA: 101.84


I am sorry, I was doing 88mph after 17.018 secs...

Do you think the fixed actuator will make a difference?

mrsteve

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Fixing the actuator will make a HUGE difference!

What track was it? Do you know the elevation?

berny

In montreal, NAPIERVILLE, thats the city... I don't know the elevation, sorry...

mrsteve

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100 feet above sea level.

Altitude is NOT a factor.

77% humidity hurts though

ferizzo

Haven't read all the responses but this is absolutely not true! I suxor at the launch and my first time at the track I did no worse than a 15.3 with 60' times from 2.4-2.8.

mrsteve

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farberstyle is clueless

berny

how did you get that info?