Facts about AEM
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Facts about AEM
I normally do not do this, but it has been brought to my attention that there is some miss understandings about the dyno figures AEM gave to this board out of good faith.
1. First and foremost we measure all our chassis data using a DynoJet dynamometer. They are very accurate and repeatable. We do 3 dyno runs per change and average the runs for a more realistic look at the information. We are not into making magical horsepower and if at anytime a run looks be abnormal we will continue to dyno that change until we have a more consistent reading to use for the average. In the case of the CL Type-S we made over 50 runs during the design of the intake. We are constantly tweaking because every single horsepower and foot-pound of toque counts.
2. We plot all our Dyno results in Excel. Why? By doing the graph in Excel the information is much more usable. I can plot the area under the power curve. Compare multiple changes simultaneously and most importantly make it easy available to output in any type of media. Our contacts at the various magazines especially like this.
3. Why is there such a big gripe over the fact that the title on the dyno figures we supplied to your board had an error on the year? May the first person that has never made a mistake or a miss spelling throw the first stone? I personally apologize for the mistake, but I think all that should matter in the end is what you'll be gaining from the information. No BS horsepower and torque gains.
4. I am only one of the 4 people we have in our Research and Development department. Not only do we use a DynoJet as one of our tools for designing our intakes, but we also use Air Flow Data, Parametric 3D Modeling Software and a 3D Measuring Machine to produce our product. Not to mention the fact we have a 20,000 square foot manufacturing facility. It's fully equipped with CNC Mills, Lathes and Tube bending equipment. Every operation needed to produce an intake or any of our other products is done in house.
5. Just to give you an idea we ship over 5,000 intakes a month. Why? Because we make a product that we stand 100% behind. We have been a leader in this market segment for sometime and we are not planning to go anywhere. Our quality speaks for itself.
6. We always encourage all the magazines to test our products and they do. You can look into any issue of Import Tuner and see one of our intakes be tested in their power pages. In Sport Compact Car they rated us as having the best intake in the market. That says a lot about our ability to design and produce a good product.
I am one who has always enjoyed the spirit of competition and I hope people continue to knock the work we have done. It just tells me that we are doing something right. Thank you guys for letting me have this time to clear some things up. Oh BLXMX, my friends at American Honda loved your CL; they want to know when we can take it to lunch again.
Eric Valdes
R&D/ Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.
PS - Our AEM Drag Civic just broke the world record again... 8.58 @ over 170 mph!
1. First and foremost we measure all our chassis data using a DynoJet dynamometer. They are very accurate and repeatable. We do 3 dyno runs per change and average the runs for a more realistic look at the information. We are not into making magical horsepower and if at anytime a run looks be abnormal we will continue to dyno that change until we have a more consistent reading to use for the average. In the case of the CL Type-S we made over 50 runs during the design of the intake. We are constantly tweaking because every single horsepower and foot-pound of toque counts.
2. We plot all our Dyno results in Excel. Why? By doing the graph in Excel the information is much more usable. I can plot the area under the power curve. Compare multiple changes simultaneously and most importantly make it easy available to output in any type of media. Our contacts at the various magazines especially like this.
3. Why is there such a big gripe over the fact that the title on the dyno figures we supplied to your board had an error on the year? May the first person that has never made a mistake or a miss spelling throw the first stone? I personally apologize for the mistake, but I think all that should matter in the end is what you'll be gaining from the information. No BS horsepower and torque gains.
4. I am only one of the 4 people we have in our Research and Development department. Not only do we use a DynoJet as one of our tools for designing our intakes, but we also use Air Flow Data, Parametric 3D Modeling Software and a 3D Measuring Machine to produce our product. Not to mention the fact we have a 20,000 square foot manufacturing facility. It's fully equipped with CNC Mills, Lathes and Tube bending equipment. Every operation needed to produce an intake or any of our other products is done in house.
5. Just to give you an idea we ship over 5,000 intakes a month. Why? Because we make a product that we stand 100% behind. We have been a leader in this market segment for sometime and we are not planning to go anywhere. Our quality speaks for itself.
6. We always encourage all the magazines to test our products and they do. You can look into any issue of Import Tuner and see one of our intakes be tested in their power pages. In Sport Compact Car they rated us as having the best intake in the market. That says a lot about our ability to design and produce a good product.
I am one who has always enjoyed the spirit of competition and I hope people continue to knock the work we have done. It just tells me that we are doing something right. Thank you guys for letting me have this time to clear some things up. Oh BLXMX, my friends at American Honda loved your CL; they want to know when we can take it to lunch again.
Eric Valdes
R&D/ Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.
PS - Our AEM Drag Civic just broke the world record again... 8.58 @ over 170 mph!
Racer
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From: Hollywood, Ca
eric, great product this is thw 2nd one i've owned. 
One comment, update your website a bit more often. Keep up the good work, and we'll be looking for some for developments for our CL-S. 
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CoMpTeCh HeAdErS
eIbAcH sPrInGs
AeM cAi
One comment, update your website a bit more often. Keep up the good work, and we'll be looking for some for developments for our CL-S. ------------------
CoMpTeCh HeAdErS
eIbAcH sPrInGs
AeM cAi
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From: Huntington Beach, CA -> Ashburn, VA -> Raleigh, NC -> Walnut Creek, CA
damn eric, that shit must of taken you a hour to type.
I love your products; but make us a fuel rail
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"the needle got buried at 140.....1,500 RPM later...the tach got buried"
pays to be young and crazy
99 3.0 CL
55 Chevy Suburban (chopped, dropped, tubbed and FLAME RETARDENT!!)
58 Eldorado Biarritz
I love your products; but make us a fuel rail
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"the needle got buried at 140.....1,500 RPM later...the tach got buried"
pays to be young and crazy
99 3.0 CL
55 Chevy Suburban (chopped, dropped, tubbed and FLAME RETARDENT!!)
58 Eldorado Biarritz
Burning Brakes
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From: The Scenic Sovereign Garden State. Joyzee
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2"> the dyno figures we supplied to your board</font>
Can somebody here or from AEM kindly point me to the dyno figures for the CAI as mentioned above?
Thank you
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"01" CL Type-S
White\Black
Comptech Springs
Comptech Sways
Navigation System
Burlwood Shifter
Guards+Fenderwell Trim
PIAA16969
Smokers Package
My Car
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Burning Brakes
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Nevermind.
Blxmjx has again posted the pics of the CAI dyno results here; http://209.113.46.91/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001953.html
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"01" CL Type-S
White\Black
Comptech Springs
Comptech Sways
Navigation System
Burlwood Shifter
Guards+Fenderwell Trim
PIAA16969
Smokers Package
My Car
Blxmjx has again posted the pics of the CAI dyno results here; http://209.113.46.91/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001953.html
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"01" CL Type-S
White\Black
Comptech Springs
Comptech Sways
Navigation System
Burlwood Shifter
Guards+Fenderwell Trim
PIAA16969
Smokers Package
My Car
Happy CL-S Pilot
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From: Nashua, NH, USA
discounting the 0-3000 RPM numbers, both AEM and Xephyr are producing similar results!!!!
Check both graphs from 3000-6850 RPM and compare....
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Black, Ebony, 3.2 CL Type-S.
- Acura NAV.
- 3M clear bra (full front bumper, and side mirros)
- Wheels locks.
- Mooonroof visor
- Splash guards,
- Winter mats,
- Trunk liner,
- Acura Spoiler.
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator.
- PIAA 19169 road lamps.
Check both graphs from 3000-6850 RPM and compare....
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Black, Ebony, 3.2 CL Type-S.
- Acura NAV.
- 3M clear bra (full front bumper, and side mirros)
- Wheels locks.
- Mooonroof visor
- Splash guards,
- Winter mats,
- Trunk liner,
- Acura Spoiler.
- Valentine V1 Radar Locator.
- PIAA 19169 road lamps.
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From: Little Elm, TX
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Nashua_Night_Hawk:
discounting the 0-3000 RPM numbers, both AEM and Xephyr are producing similar results!!!!
Check both graphs from 3000-6850 RPM and compare....
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discounting the 0-3000 RPM numbers, both AEM and Xephyr are producing similar results!!!!
Check both graphs from 3000-6850 RPM and compare....
</font>
This seems to be a hot topic right now.
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avengerjr
2001 CL-S Satin Silver / Ebony Interior / Non-Navi[*] spoiler , wheel locks , 35% tint[*] fenderwell trim , mud guards[*] winter floor mats , full nose mask[*] Xephyr CAI
girlfriend
1999 3.8L V6 Mustang Coupe Black / Black Cloth Interior[*] spoiler , 35% tint[*] MAC CAI - soon to order
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Suzuka Master
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So what aem is saying is that you won't loose alot of low end torque and hp w/ there cai right?
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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Cargo Net/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter. Comptech Springs. Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.
235/40/17's or 225/45/17's once I found out which one works for me.
gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.
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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Cargo Net/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter. Comptech Springs. Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.
235/40/17's or 225/45/17's once I found out which one works for me.
gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.
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From: Little Elm, TX
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by NOVAwhiteTypeS:
So what aem is saying is that you won't loose alot of low end torque and hp w/ there cai right?
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So what aem is saying is that you won't loose alot of low end torque and hp w/ there cai right?
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avengerjr
2001 CL-S Satin Silver / Ebony Interior / Non-Navi[*] spoiler , wheel locks , 35% tint[*] fenderwell trim , mud guards[*] winter floor mats , full nose mask[*] Xephyr CAI
girlfriend
1999 3.8L V6 Mustang Coupe Black / Black Cloth Interior[*] spoiler , 35% tint[*] MAC CAI - soon to order
Suzuka Master
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From: VA
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by avengerjr:
In a roundabout way, without really saying it, I think yes. (he he)
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In a roundabout way, without really saying it, I think yes. (he he
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Thanks I needed that cleared up.
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CL-S
White/Ebony/Navi/Spoiler/Visor/Full Bra/Mud Guards/Cargo Net/Acura Car Cover/Tint 20%,35%,5% on Sun Roof, Rockford 250a2 Amp w/JL10w6 / K&N Drop in Filter. Comptech Springs. Polarg m-6.
Comptech Headers, Comptech Sways, Eurolite Xenon Crystal high beams.
AEM CAI once they decide to make the dame thing.
235/40/17's or 225/45/17's once I found out which one works for me.
gtech 0-60 6.03 w/ 438 pound load. preheader.
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Well, from every intake that I have ever seen. You lose torque at the low end and gain horsepower at the high end. It's normal. Just hope your high end makes up for the loss at the low end.
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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
(sooner than I thought...)
Comptech Headers
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2001 Cl-S Black on Black with Navigation
Black Tint all around (15%~45%)
Weapon-R Dragon Filter
Weapon-R Coil-Overs
Koni Adjustable Struts
Comptech Sway Bars
(sooner than I thought...)
Comptech Headers
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2nd Gear
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From: Hawthorne
The response we have had with our CL Type-S Cold Air Intake has been great! Our Power Pulleys will be available soon and with the introduction of the TL Type-S later in the year, AEM will be developing even more products for your vehicle. Keep your eyes open, the fun has just begun.
Eric Valdes
R&D/Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.
Eric Valdes
R&D/Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AEMPower.com:
The response we have had with our CL Type-S Cold Air Intake has been great! Our Power Pulleys will be available soon and with the introduction of the TL Type-S later in the year, AEM will be developing even more products for your vehicle. Keep your eyes open, the fun has just begun.
Eric Valdes
R&D/Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.</font>
The response we have had with our CL Type-S Cold Air Intake has been great! Our Power Pulleys will be available soon and with the introduction of the TL Type-S later in the year, AEM will be developing even more products for your vehicle. Keep your eyes open, the fun has just begun.
Eric Valdes
R&D/Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.</font>
Instructor
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From: Raleigh, NC
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AEMPower.com:
The response we have had with our CL Type-S Cold Air Intake has been great! Our Power Pulleys will be available soon and with the introduction of the TL Type-S later in the year, AEM will be developing even more products for your vehicle. Keep your eyes open, the fun has just begun.
Eric Valdes
R&D/Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.</font>
The response we have had with our CL Type-S Cold Air Intake has been great! Our Power Pulleys will be available soon and with the introduction of the TL Type-S later in the year, AEM will be developing even more products for your vehicle. Keep your eyes open, the fun has just begun.
Eric Valdes
R&D/Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.</font>
Ya better believe the fun has just begun.
I have been wanting to see you make pulleys for the CLS since I bought the car in June. I sent AEM an email about it and said that you would not be developing one for quite a while. So, when you do get one tested and tuned, please post it here. Greatly appreciated.
Good work on the CAI. I wanted to ask
1. why does it go so low (i.e. almost touching the bottom plastic)and
2. why no bypass valve?
I would really enjoy getting info from the horse's mouth. Thanks.
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Hollywood is back, and so is...
Miss "Jackie Black" Black on Black 2001 CLS | Tint | airbox gutted - waiting for AEM CAI| resonator replaced by straightpipe | 12" JL Audio sub
PIAA 19170s | spoiler | 14.6185 at 96.09mph 1/4 mile
work is the curse of the drinking class.
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From: Diamond Bar, CA
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AEMPower.com:
Oh BLXMX, my friends at American Honda loved your CL; they want to know when we can take it to lunch again.
Eric Valdes
R&D/ Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.
PS - Our AEM Drag Civic just broke the world record again... 8.58 @ over 170 mph!
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Oh BLXMX, my friends at American Honda loved your CL; they want to know when we can take it to lunch again.
Eric Valdes
R&D/ Product Development
Advanced Engine Management, Inc.
PS - Our AEM Drag Civic just broke the world record again... 8.58 @ over 170 mph!
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Burning Brakes
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From: Washington DC
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by AEMPower.com:
PS - Our AEM Drag Civic just broke the world record again... 8.58 @ over 170 mph!
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PS - Our AEM Drag Civic just broke the world record again... 8.58 @ over 170 mph!
</font>
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Silver CL-S w/ Navi, Spoiler, Wheel Locks, Trunk Tray, 19169, 9005
Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1-S Proxes on Stock 17" CL-S wheels
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From: Raleigh, NC
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Technique:
Congratulation. Now, when are you going to make us some mods that will make our Type S's break 9 in ET????
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Congratulation. Now, when are you going to make us some mods that will make our Type S's break 9 in ET????
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Hollywood is back, and so is...
Miss "Jackie Black" Black on Black 2001 CLS | Tint | airbox gutted | resonator replaced by straightpipe (mistake) | 12" JL Audio sub
PIAA 19170s | spoiler | mobile 1 | 14.6185 at 96.09mph 1/4 mile
work is the curse of the drinking class.
Suzuka Master
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From: Ninth Gate & So Cal
Too bad they didn't allow for the use of the bypass valve without doing the hacksaw routine.
Any comments from AEM on why they "blew" off the protection?
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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI
Any comments from AEM on why they "blew" off the protection?
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2001 Satin Silver Cl-S w/ NAVI
- Mud Guards
- Wheel locks
- Toyo 235/45ZR17-97W* T1S Proxies on Stock 17" CLS wheels
- Gtech 1/8th tank 40F ~=6.1
- Zaino magic
- Sways, headers, CAI comming soon
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