Seattle Cl-S

While driving the other day I got a little vibration feedback from the accelerator. It lasted about 30 sec. (the road was smooth). Is this tranny related. I haven't had problems yet, at least I don't think so...43k so far.

EricL

I know that I got a message to call on Friday. You have to ask copland when he got his interview.

Well, let's see if "someone" around here doesn't remove my post (ARGGGGHHHH). Stop removing my postings you slime bag.

There have been more than a few problems. Just 'cause Acura says it's so in an article doesn't make it true.

There seemed to be a "ray" of hope -- I think two members got some trannies that had some "balls" (we'll see). The question is -- how do you know that you get the good one AND is the story really true. We have been getting this same bunch of BS over-and-over:

Diff carrier bearings going away (we have pictures and I got a tip and got a confirm through a second source) that there was a problem. Ok, they are NOT willing to be named publicly so -- YMMV

Torque converter -- another story.
PCM module problems – another story

Solenoids do collect metal and the bearings are ferrous (they are attracted by the magnet and the solenoids magnetic field).

The article was printed on Wed 9-11 (emergency -- help -- what timing)


Don't be surprised if some of the trannies DO NOT HAVE THE FIX. When the problems stop here -- that's close to proof. AND, then, as I’ve mentioned, how many times have we been told this same story?

I’d be impressed if there was a note or indication that showed that the tranny had a “key code or fix code” that clearly indicated that it was a “new design” or “FIXED/UPDATED” (well, it would be a start)

How many times have we heard that the problem was solved?

How many different, “We have the problem under control?”

Does the old story about the "boy who cried wolf" ring a bell?

The Acura folks have spooned-out so much crap for so long, I wonder if they even know when they are telling the truth. And, the very fact that they dilluted the stats is a sign that they are hiding something.

I think if someone doesn't pull my posting... Hey, want to play with some numbers for a minute -- check this out:

Cynical assumption time -- ok?

1-million cars with (lower HP -- yes/no) with a 1% failure rate.
40,000 cars with a 15% failure rate.
1,000 cars with a 20% failure rate.

Total cars = 1,041,000

Total of cars will failures in aggregate = 16200 (10,000 + 6,000 + 200)

Percent failure for the “group”/”set” = 1.6%

However, just “playing” stat-man, I can hide a 15% failure rate and a 20% failure rate in the aggregate…

Now, I'm just "playing" with number -- but, perhaps some of you would like to play with the numbers. The article in Wed's Times has the "groupings" and if you play with the numbers, you can see there is a lot of room for "fudging"...

KavexTrax

Wouldn't it be nice if the OBD II diagnostics reader could map out the driver's habits over a course of time, and this would make solid evidence for the dealer to eat their words.

EricL

Yes, it would.

AND

If they were concerned about this being an issue, they could do this very thing.

The system would need to have "protocols" in place to prevent re-writes of the data by user and dealer (you could see how the dealer could just tell you anything) and this gets back to logic and interpretation.

Do you use the peak torque as criteria?
G's going around a turn?
Peak torque?
Peak temp?
What about a fast, high-G turn to avoid a near-death experience from a wayward driver?

AND

What constitutes abuse from the POV of a computer? AT what point does spirited become abusive driving?

This then becomes subject to "interpretation" and if the dealers (and or Acuras) logic is already so flawed based on the initial statement, what does that say about anyone interpreting the data?

So, ideally, it’s a great idea -- however, the data is only as good as the people that use it -- and that’s a problem.


OTOH -- what a great gift idea for Acura drivers with tranny paranoia -- the "Driver Piggyback Witness and Detective". Now, record your every move and PROVE that your innocent when you find yourself in trouble with the Acura Tranny Abuse Enforcement Unit. Hey, the NAVI could be modified to record everything you need (it stores position and has a dead accurate clock)!!!!

I'll tell you what bother's me about this: It's like having a personal monitor (video and sound) to keep you out of jail when the police become so lazy that they knock on the nearest door, or grab you off the street, without due process, to grab a convenient citizen-suspect and then haul them away because it’s the easiest thing to do! Everyone could keep a 24-hour a day video and sound going to prove their innocence. What a treat!

erock

Well, like Mike said, I'm done with Acura/Honda....... after this bish dies on me, I'm crossing over to German/Euro engineering......

IntegraVT

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Here's the part I don't get -

Why are dealerships giving people a hard time about warranty work? Don't they just charge labor and parts back to Corporate? They get compensated either way, right?

Are they lazy? Can they charge more for non-warranty work and therefore just greedy? *sigh*

robbra

Exactly, AHM reimburses the dealer for a specific amount of time, which is way under what they could charge customers. If they have decent mechanics, and usually shops have a couple, those guys can get it done without going over this time, but another less experienced mechanic can't, so they lose on the deal.

I used to work for a Honda shop in Wallingford, CT back in the day. I had techs who could install A/C in a Civic for way less time then the 6 hours Honda would pay to do it.. if I remember they could get it done in 3-4 hours, thus the shop benefited as did the tech... but normally that is not the case..

ThoroDredCLS

I'm with NOVA on this one! Phucking unplug the biatch and smack on the head with the $hit. Let Tischer ACURA around my way say some dumb $hit like that... They would have to police escort me out of there.

maevonee

Why Dont we all get together and write honda/acura a letter about all this bullshit going on?? or email them a link of this topic so they can see whats going on maybe they would recall all the tannies...get back

hemants

Springs no, CAI maybe.

The fact is you are putting more hp through the tranny than it was supposedly designed for.

Is that BS? Yes it is, bcs we all know that tranny's ARE a problem without a CAI but the CAI gives them a scapegoat - and a legitimate one at that.

blk_coupe

My cl type s is currently at tischer acura right now. I'm so upset about this shit I feel like slap someone everytime I think about my transmission letting me down.

darrinb

damn man, did you take it to troy?? I bought my car from there, show them the LA times article. Dennis (my salesperson) told me acura of troy hasnt sold a tl or cl that had to have a tranny replaced. I guess he was bullshittin to get my dad to hand over the $$$$$ and egt the deal over with.

Juker008

Well u could always convince the computer to allow u to do a 100 or so Neutral drops .


Juker008

juniorbean

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I agree with 1GenCL on this... I have no idea what Wayne and PAA have to do with this. The treatment seems to vary from dealer to dealer so it doesn't even matter what Wayne's opinion would be. Also.. as a side note... have you noticed that Wayne and Jens have have NOT been on the board almost all year? They have other things going on and haven't been around... so don't count on a reply.


I agree with Scrib.
Rock Dog.. if I were you the first card I would play is to get the first and last name of the "Acura" rep that looked at the car... that way, you can verify with Acura themselves. Second thing I would do is ask to see the written report from that rep. proving what they said. Otherwise it's just words and they have nothing to stand on.... Good luck!!

robbra

good point jb!...

Rod

It would be nice to inform other Honda/Acura owners about the situation, but most people would just buy the "we have everything under control" attitude that Acura portrays in the article. They know this and that's why they will continue to bullshit us.

Take a copy of the LA Times article to him and remind him that Acura = shitty auto trannies.

ThoroDredCLS

blk_coupe -

UH OH! I didn't think anyone from this board from MD had transmission problems. That sucks where did you buy your car? Is tischer taking care of you or are they being asses too.

ktgumbo

OK guys, this is prob a dumb question but if Acura says that they CAI's horsepower would make the tranny have problems, then wouldn't those headers we all want make the car explode????

Nitin

iTrader: (1)

I'm in MD and had my transmission replaced last October at Pohanka Acura. They didn't give me any problems and ordered a new one for me. It did take about a month for it to come in and get installed though.

SiGGy

This is interesting....

So my car had NO mod's when the 1st tranny went. WTF can they say to me now if this one goes?!? (which it seems it's about too http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...threadid=80377 )

Hmm, I hope my dealer is a bit more friendly about it!

EricL

Well, this raises a question for Comptech, AEM, OBX, and all of the other vendors out selling after market parts.

I've gotten one set of stories from some dealer reps and aftermarket HP power vendors about there being no problem with reliability when their parts are added. (Of course the statements that are made in private and in public tend to differ – at least in my experience)..

If Acura is going to draw a clear line and say, "If you put a single mod on the engine that increases the power by 1-hp, we will refuse to accommodate you", what does this mean for buying performance parts? I don’t mind popping in some neat mods, but I’m going to be tearing parts off the car and leaving for another vendor if this is the “real” story on Acura reliability and policy.

Should Comptech and others now have a disclaimer that says, "Due to the weak and marginal transmission in the Acura CLS and TLS we must advise owners that their warranty can be compromised."

I think there needs to be clarification on this issue -- the discriminatory behavior by Acura and certain dealers has left a giant question mark hanging over their warranty policy. As mentioned some people have I/H/E and have had no problems getting 2 or 3 replacement transmissions.

IMO, various members have quoted the MM-Act, however, if you go to court, you've already lost (if you know how to turn this into a zero time affair with punitive damages, please let me know).

I wonder if it's time to ask for a written statement of "fact" from any dealers that install the parts (in case the person giving the verbal agreement leaves that dealer).

There is a problem with the transmissions (the failure rate can be debated and quibbled about for years). However, I am now wondering how Acura can parade a 6-speed with S/C around and actually show it, when people are having problems with warranty issues.


We all hear what we want to hear, but when things go bad the "I wish, I thought, and you said" are not very comfortating.

If Acura wants to play in the preformance market and use base warranty issues on less than provable facts, this issue needs to be brought to the attention of the general public, Acura, and the vendors that supply performance parts for their cars.

The transmissions fail on cars with no mods. And, then again, there are people with mods, where the tranmission is working fine.

BTW, what does that say for Honda/Acura's fix when they blame the 3-5 lb-ft for failure. Good think they don't make airplanes that only exceed FAA structural failure/strength tests by .001%.

Rod

NISMO!