Yup thats right, I just toasted my 4th e36m3 this morning while getting off from work.

Well as most of you know I have to work the over night shift and I get off at 7:00am. Well this morning I got in the S and right when I was about to get on the main road I see a blue e36m3 behind me coming from the building next to ours. Well this road is a 2 mile stretch w/ 1 light. After we both got on to the main road i slowed down and so did he. It was a blue e36m3 w/ bbs rims and a va plate that reads 1badm3. Luckly we both lined up at the next light.
I threw her in SS and turned of VSA. As I was turning down the radio, I heard the m3 growl. Its optimal weather for racing. 66degrees.
The light turns green. We both take it take off. I get a slight chirp as I was feathering the gas so I don't get so much wheel spin. Well he was keeping up until i hit 2nd. and in 2nd I was slowly pulling UNTIL when i hit around 6000rpm where I would jump up about 1/4 car lenght more. well going in to 3rd I was clearly 3/4~1 car ahead and by the end of 3rd we both shut of off and slowed down to about 20mph to cruise.
and of course I gave him the thumbs up *meaning nice try sucka!*

"Hey is that modified" m3 driver
"yeah, a little. , its also automatic" -> me

:thinking: m3 driver

-> me

well i only have an exhuast and have to modify some more m3 driver

yeah i work right next to you so come get me next time!

and then we both took off.


Well this is my 4th e36m3 kill so Im offically E36M3Killa

 

Nice!!!

 

Shouldn't have told him it was modded so he would think all cl's wld kill his m3!

 

we may take them on the straight but if you toss a corner into the equation we're toast.

 

Why does everyone have to throw in the hater "but" line... can't we all just get along and give props where props are due??

NICE KILL BIG PUN!!!!

 

Where are there twisties in VA besides in the mountains?????? Sorry but the BMW taking us in turns and twisties are irrelevant in street racing . IMO!

Hey NOVA - that was funny LMAO!!!! I like your comments at the end.

 

Forgive me for asking, and I'm not doubting anything, but are E36's that slow?

NOVA has headers and exhaust and an intake ... how fast is that car now?

I'm geniunely curious.

 

Let's just say, Nova (joe) can out sprint a 6spd cls by one or more car lenghts. He can out run a stock auto cls by maybe three to four or more car lengths. He seems to have an unusually fast auto cls.

There was a thread awhile ago back with him racing a 6spd guy from here. He handed his ass to him.

 

i've driven joes car and it is unusually very quick.... i was surprised... and although handling has nothing to do with this thread at all... his car handles like a dream too!!

 

didnt you have a line in your sig that read "keep racing off the streets and on the track?"

what happened to that?

 

NICE! Joe, was the M3 owner a black guy? I saw him at Electrodyne once. Didn't know he had BBS.

Joe's car is unusually quick...I've driven his car when he had headers only. Now he's added CAI and Exhaust.

 

Shit, sounds like he'd hand my ass to me too

 

I SO AGREE. THAT THING IS UNBELIEVABLE ON WINDY ROADS!!!!

sidemarker

 

yup black guy. i think he works in the building next to mine to the right. It looked like either hyper black or dirty chrome BBS rims. 17's may be 18's.

 

Sounds like you killed an Auto E36. Manual E36 M3's run very low 14s, which only a CL-S 6 speed would beat.

 

Wrong Max. I ran a 14.302 @ 98.69 w/a ton of wheel hop. A CLS with i/h/e will run very low 14s w/decent tires.

At the time mods were:
i/h and light weight wheels.

E36 M3s only run low 14s w/a good driver.

 

Have any slips for a very low 14s with a CL-S? run

What conditions were these done with??? I bet nice cool weather. I recently saw a E36 M3 run 14.1-14.3s all day long in very hot weather here in Chicago. Yes it was modded with Chip and Exhaust, but on a cool day it would dip into the 13s. A stock E36 M3 manual will give a fully modded CL-S auto all it can handle.

BTW....Why does it seem no one on this board takes their CL-S to a real track???? I am referring to a road course BTW.

 

WRONG. it was manual. plus I've raced my ex-coworkers 99 m3. w/ I/H/E shark injector, short shifter and still beat it.

I have I/H/E

 

Your co-worker needs to learn how to drive. No way is a M3 with those mods listed going to lose to your car. I know this is a CL-S forum, but doesnt anyone think something is wrong here??? E36 M3s stock can run 14.0 with a good driver. With those mods listed your ex-coworker should dip well into the 13s. From the sound of it, your coworker would be luckey to hit 14.5 or better.

 

I'll have to dig for the slips. It was 65 degrees. No doubt a stock M3 will give a modded CLS a run for its $$.

Now why would we take it to a road course with a weight distribution of 63/37?

 

this guys been driving stick for over 10 years, plus not everyone one the streets can drive like a professional magazine driver.

I'ver personally seen a type R run low low 14's via power shifting, and the same car run low 15 with a diff driver.

all depends on the driver.

 

Nice kill NOVA. I believe him because i did kill two stock Manual E36 M3's when i had my CL-S. So it happens, u just have to believe it.

 

whats all the hype on these m3's.. they're about the same compared to a cls in most cases a bit slower..i've seen them run high 14's all day long with minor mods at mir. and there were a group of them (prob a m3 club). now if you are talkin about the newest model m3 i think 2001 up then thats a diff story, i give them props.

 

You guys are running into E36 M3 drivers who cant drive. I did a search and I have found some good times here, but none that beat the 97 M3 that I saw running at the track 3 weeks ago. All this M3 had was I/E and it was a 18 year old looking kid driving. He was actually a pretty decent driver. I believe he was cutting 2.1 60's, which was great for the conditions. If you put a good driver in a stock M3 vs a good driver in a modded CL-S, with conditions being the same the M3 is going to be slightly faster.

 

Is this Fahad? Use to own a Gold hooked up CLS? We met at Vertex when I had my hooked up TL.

 

Yeah. Oh yeah i remembered u. Whats up? You sold ur TL for an M3? I sold my CL-S but didnt bother to change the name on the board. So how fast is ur M3 compare to the CLS? What did it run in the 1/4 mile?

 

I agree w/you, but obviously that hasn't happened yet...ahhh, the beauty of street racing.

 

I would think that the M3 is a lot easier to drive than a FWD car but I guess thats not the case. When I take my car to the track I am lucky to see 2.2's, but thats partly because I have the heavy ass 17s bogging me down.

 

nice kill NOVA!


I've never lost to an E36 either, highway, and off the line.

 

in a straight line auto vs. stick i would have to say the auto is easier to launch. Just dont mash the pedal

 

Did you read anything that I said in my post on the first page before you started ranting on about joe's car or the CLS???? :P

 

hey maximized.. i don't know who got you so pumped about m3's but its just fact they are definitely beatable..240 hp vs. 260hp do the math..ok m3 is a few pounds lighter. still i've crushed them and so have many cls' here so suck it up sucka.. why don't you go to the m3 board and kiss their already stuck up asses and tell them how superior they are in your world maybe you can make their heads swell even more, cause nobody here takes anything you make up seriously. but the bm guys will love you

 

Yea im making up the M3 i saw run 14.1....You got me there. A Manual M3 puts more hp down to the wheels and thats what counts. Learn what your talking about before you open your mouth. I have never in my many times at the track see 1 CL-S running, but I have seen timeslips on this board. The best that I have seen was a fully modded auto running something like 14.3. Thats a great time, but that car would have a very very hard time beating a well driven M3.

 

maximized - you saw one kid do 14.1 in a m3 and now it's all over for us. Half the people on this board has raced at least one m3 and results are the same. Joe's car is faster than a 6spd and he's auto. No problem with him beating a m3. Half the board has i/h/e so, i think we do put up a pretty good match. Furthermore, what did the M3 do to his car? Did he gut out everything except driver and front seat?

 

This guy I saw had full interior with I/E as his mods. He was running on the stock rims/tires and had a aftermarker wing that probably didnt help out his aerodynamics. The conditions were 90 degrees and very humid, so his car could have run quicker. Probably very high 13s in good conditions. Like I said a M3 with a competent driver will give any modded auto CL-S a run for its money. E36 M3s can run very very low 14s with a good driver stock.

As for this guy joe being faster than a 6 speed, did they race from a roll or a standstill.

 

Nah, I sold my TL and got a 540. My journey is not complete til I get a SC for my 540. I got everything else. Didn't take it to the track yet so I don't know my times. Let's hook up one day!

 

Man, this thread is getting out of hand.

Joe beat an M3, that's great. This simply means Joe beat an M3...not all you CLS guys. Sheesh.

I know and you know that an M3 has a hell of a better chance of beating a CLS than a CLS does an M3.

Deny all you want.

Quickcls...you're right its' 240HP vs 260, but you'd be lucky to put 200 HP down to the wheel vs an M3 does it consistently. All these HP figures are overrated...especially FWD cars. You have more drivetrain loss than a RWD.

I find it IMPOSSIBLE to believe that a CLS will beat an M3 on the highway. C'mon guys, we all know that TLS/CLS SUCKS MAJOR ASS on the highway.

Mike, great 1/4 run!

Question for all you CLers...what's the real scoop with the next gen CL? Are they really killing it off?

 

you know i find it odd that you would even point out peak HP figures...you'd really need to compare dyno's to give peak any concideration...i do however disagree with the M3 being more concistant than a CL whenever there's a stick envolved more driver error is possible...on the highway not sure what you mean this car is strong until 110-115 mph...im not going any deeper than that..you?

 

I agree with you for the most part. I owned a modded TL (which at that time pulled more HP and TQ than stock CLS across the entire band). Car is strong IMO up to about 90...I don't know about 110-115. Like I said, ask Novawhite, on a freeway, he took off first and had momentum going then I decided to chase and almost rear ended him. In my TL, after 100 I lost to a stock VR6...he pulled on me until I hit VTEC and eventually started to gain.

As far as peak number...to me they mean shit. If you don't have the power accross the entire band, what good is peak. Sure it's great to say "my headers gave me 20HP peak" but what does that really translate to?

 

Nice choice. We will run them when u get ur SC. How much will the SC gives u? I'm out of town maybe for few months. When i get back for sure we have to meet and go to the track or something. I will show u then what does V8 American muscle can do I hope i hit high 10's low 11's when i'm done with my plan with this car. It will be one scary thing to control.