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Old 04-25-2001, 07:56 PM
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Dont want to break your hearts but...

a STOCK CL-S will NOT beat the following cars:

Type R - borderline
Mustang GT/Cobra
V8 Camaros, V8 Firebirds
ANY BMW 540
Porshce boxter S
ANY v8 Mercedes
manual bmw 328--borderline
bmw 330

For those that HAVE beat these cars, I am not calling anyone a liar, just letting you know they had their winter/summer rims in the trunk....and the car was heavy.

Sorry, but if the perfect driver drives these cars, they will beat our CL-s.

Our cars are great, but sometimes people tend to overestimate their cars, probably cause they worked really hard to be able to afford it, and it makes them feel better.

If you guys have a chic beside you, and wanna impress her...dont think cause someone on this board said they beat a 540, dont race when with your a chic, cause if the other cars trunk is empty, you will be embarrassed.

If there are conditions, it would apply to BOTH cars, .. wind/temperature would affect BOTH cars, not just the CL-S..sorry, its just that I raced a manual 328 today, and he beat me by a VERY big margin..i was just pissed..

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deadlyCL-S:
a STOCK CL-S will NOT beat the following cars:

Type R - borderline
Mustang GT/Cobra
V8 Camaros, V8 Firebirds
ANY BMW 540
Porshce boxter S
ANY v8 Mercedes
manual bmw 328--borderline
bmw 330

For those that HAVE beat these cars, I am not calling anyone a liar, just letting you know they had their winter/summer rims in the trunk....and the car was heavy.

Sorry, but if the perfect driver drives these cars, they will beat our CL-s.

Our cars are great, but sometimes people tend to overestimate their cars, probably cause they worked really hard to be able to afford it, and it makes them feel better.

If you guys have a chic beside you, and wanna impress her...dont think cause someone on this board said they beat a 540, dont race when with your a chic, cause if the other cars trunk is empty, you will be embarrassed.

If there are conditions, it would apply to BOTH cars, .. wind/temperature would affect BOTH cars, not just the CL-S..sorry, its just that I raced a manual 328 today, and he beat me by a VERY big margin..i was just pissed..

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Old 04-25-2001, 08:11 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deadlyCL-S:
a STOCK CL-S will NOT beat the following cars:

Type R - borderline
Mustang GT/Cobra
V8 Camaros, V8 Firebirds
ANY BMW 540
Porshce boxter S
ANY v8 Mercedes
manual bmw 328--borderline
bmw 330

For those that HAVE beat these cars, I am not calling anyone a liar, just letting you know they had their winter/summer rims in the trunk....and the car was heavy.

Sorry, but if the perfect driver drives these cars, they will beat our CL-s.

Our cars are great, but sometimes people tend to overestimate their cars, probably cause they worked really hard to be able to afford it, and it makes them feel better.

If you guys have a chic beside you, and wanna impress her...dont think cause someone on this board said they beat a 540, dont race when with your a chic, cause if the other cars trunk is empty, you will be embarrassed.

If there are conditions, it would apply to BOTH cars, .. wind/temperature would affect BOTH cars, not just the CL-S..sorry, its just that I raced a manual 328 today, and he beat me by a VERY big margin..i was just pissed..

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You're assuming that they have good tires, a good tune-up, and they are one of the good ones. Also, when you say beat, do you mean a 1/4 mile, 60 feet, 1/8 mile, 0..60, Summo in Porsche with midget in CL-S, etc.

Please be careful with absolutes...

(But, yes I get the general picture...)

BTW -- I still stand by my comment (from time-to-time) that a lot of manual drivers don't know sh*t about properly driving a stick or getting off the line. I've also seen some folks who were very good at driving without the clutch (I used to do it in one of my manuals).



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Old 04-25-2001, 08:17 PM
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I agree with Eric, there are A LOT of drivers out there that can't drive stick, even those that own M3's =)

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I absolutely agree...it comes down to the driver.
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by spiroh:
I agree with Eric, there are A LOT of drivers out there that can't drive stick, even those that own M3's =)

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Okay about the 540.

I raced AC's and NO he didn't have tires in the trunk or anything else, but he did have trac. on. Me on the other hand have a 10JL sub in a box, a amp and sways that add over 100lbs in weight. AND THIS WAS BEFORE HEADERS.

from 0-80 dead even . no one had the lead.

but after 100 forget it. He almost rammed me in the back cause he was gaining on me too fast when we were on the highway.

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Hell, if the driver misses a shift the CL-S could probably even beat a Porsche Turbo.

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Old 04-25-2001, 08:27 PM
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You must have got a slow one. I raced a BMW Z3 2.8 manual on a number of occasions and I beat him badly every time. I only had headers at this time, BUT my IMRC was not functioning which made me just about as fast as a stock CL. You can ask NovawhitetypesS--we actually ran earlier that same day and we were almost dead even when I had my headers and non-functioning IMRC and he was stock.

Trust me, my friend in the Z3 was amazed at how fast my car was. He closed on me as soon as we hit a big corner at the end of the strip, but that was it.

And, I think the Z3 is probably a good bit lighter than the standard 328.

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Old 04-25-2001, 08:32 PM
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Which V8 Camaros and Mustangs? I beat a '95 Z28 and a '97 Mustang GT. You need to be more specific. Also, a Type R is certainly beatable, even with a good driver in it.

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Old 04-25-2001, 08:38 PM
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I swear these threads just have a way of sucking you into them. I first read this and just rolled my eyes, thinking how many times are we gonna beat this dead horse. And, yet here I am replying??! This is infuriating!

If you got whooped by a manual 328, then either:
A) you totally suck as a driver
B) there's something wrong with your car
C) he was modded

I'm sure there are many other reasons why as well.
Old 04-25-2001, 08:41 PM
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Who cares?
our ride is a luxury coupe, not a sports car!
Old 04-25-2001, 08:54 PM
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Wow. Maybe a stock CL-S cant beat those, but ones with alot of mods can beat some of those I'm sure.

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umm, the v8 mercedes thing is wrong.

me (in my car) and my cousin in my mom's '00 s500 went at it 'til about 65-70ish...i was the front quarter of my car ahead.

he is lighter than i am (10 lbs), no winter tires in the trunk of the benz, and i had a full tank of gas...and both are automatic and yes, he was going at it.
Old 04-25-2001, 09:07 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by StonedCL:
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I agree 100%, but if were gonna keep this forum useful, we need to be a little more realistic.

Again, I think if someone beat these cars, the guy had stuff in the trunk.

And a 328 manual with sports package can beat a CL-S. In fact, if you guys remember the review from Motor Trend the AUTO 328 was i think .2 seconds slower than a CL-S. I am pretty confident with a manual 328, your gonna be ahead of a CL-S.

With those that say they have beat these cars, I am telling you guys, the person did not know how to drive, or he had bodies in the trunk.

TypeR i know, i stayed head to head with a Type R up to 60, but i am assuming there would be someone that might be a better driver than him..plus his car was stock, (he says) so i was really not sure about the Type R..

I was beat by a 540 that was Auto and had 4 people in it and was on Snow tires. I was with 1 friend, and stock tires. I was beat good too.


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Old 04-25-2001, 09:08 PM
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and another one i know for sure but haven't done it, ml430's have v8's don't they? and what about those g500s? those are v8s...0-60 in over 8 sec? damn! we have slow ass cars!!!

if our cars can't beat ANY v8 mercedes, then acura lied! we must have civic engines!



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ok, I apologize, the mercedes v8 part was not specific enough. i actually knew that was coming.

the only current mercedes v8 it will beat is the ML430, maybe the S430..
MAYBE a ML55


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Old 04-25-2001, 09:26 PM
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i guess you're right...my mom's is an '00 s500, not an '01, so it's not current.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deadlyCL-S:
ok, I apologize, the mercedes v8 part was not specific enough. i actually knew that was coming.

the only current mercedes v8 it will beat is the ML430, maybe the S430..
MAYBE a ML55


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Well, at least you now know how to get everybody here to respond. Although, the boy who <font size=+2> cried </font> wolf comes to mind (in case anyone is getting too many ideas about catchy subjects...)

BTW -- if have the dealer "sneak" a small jet engine in the back of the car, is it still considered stock?

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i was always told the boy CRIED wolf -- guess i was a deprived child

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by EricL:
Well, at least you now know how to get everybody here to respond. Although, the boy who called wolf comes to mind (in case anyone is getting too many ideas about catchy subjects...)

BTW -- if have the dealer "sneak" a small jet engine in the back of the car, is it still considered stock?

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It will beat any pre 99 Mustang GT's and any 99 + Convertibles! I had a failry modded 98 GT Convertible and the CL is faster!
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okay, whatever,

yeah mustang 5-speed V8 GT will lose to our CL.

and a z28, will lose too, ok hell, our cars are the fastest cars in the world.



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by fbazakos:
i was always told the boy CRIED wolf -- guess i was a deprived child

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i was always told the boy CRIED wolf -- guess i was a deprived child
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Hmmm.... I'm calling a shrink right now. Wait, he said it is very serious, and to make an appointment -- right away! (j/k)



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Some people just can't read! 96 to 98 Stang was lucky to break into the 14's! I said NOTHING about a Z28, A clS doesn't have a prayer! I don't know what this obsession with speed is here on the board! Any one of us could have just bought a Z28 SS and had one of the fastest production cars on the road and some change in our pockets! Or Car does not excel in ANY ONE thing, it is what it is! A very fast, comfortable, luxurious and my wife would attest to this (she hated the stang) well built (minus the paint) car. No more No less. Anyone using it as a street racer should have their heads examined........
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WRONG, i have beat a s500. I have gone head to head with a CLK430. And a 328i manual, paaaaalease!!!, check out an old issue of motor trend, they had the Type S kicking the 328's ass. All the other cars i agree with, especialy the Cobra

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mikeN has beat a z28...

and I read that the S500 does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds.

the cl-s does roughly 0-60 in 6.4 seconds..if it beats a S500 then, I really hope mercedes starts to put more into a almost 75K car. And I really feel bad for the S430....if you can beat a S500..

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Well, beating a CLK430 would be pretty impressiv. That's one nice ride. I've never raced one, but I'd be impressed if you could beat one.

Like everyone keeps saying though, if the car you're racing against is a manual, a huge part of the outcome depends on that persons skill. I know that I drive well, but I don't race well in my 5-speed Eclipse Spyder. If I did, it'd be about dead even with a CL-S. As it stands, a CL-S stock'd probably take me. Anyone wanna do a few runs in SoCal?
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yes, u goin to the meet on the 12th?

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There is no way in hell I will lose to a 328 stick! I've played with them on the highway, and I had more comp from a 2000 Maxima! Anyway isn't the 328's top speed 128?

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okay, again, whatever,,

yeah the CL-S is the best car in the world..you guys are still living in the fantasy world..i love my car, but i also know when to draw the line and get back to reality.



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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deadlyCL-S:
okay, again, whatever,,

yeah the CL-S is the best car in the world..you guys are still living in the fantasy world..i love my car, but i also know when to draw the line and get back to reality.

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Look at it this way, you got 28 replies (including mine) and if you just add a few more cars, you can get at least 4 to 5 pages of stories. By repeating this every two to three days, you should have enough material for a new "Acura car stories" book...






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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deadlyCL-S:
a STOCK CL-S will NOT beat the following cars:

Type R - borderline
Mustang GT/Cobra
V8 Camaros, V8 Firebirds
ANY BMW 540
Porshce boxter S
ANY v8 Mercedes
manual bmw 328--borderline
bmw 330

For those that HAVE beat these cars, I am not calling anyone a liar, just letting you know they had their winter/summer rims in the trunk....and the car was heavy.

Sorry, but if the perfect driver drives these cars, they will beat our CL-s.

Our cars are great, but sometimes people tend to overestimate their cars, probably cause they worked really hard to be able to afford it, and it makes them feel better.

If you guys have a chic beside you, and wanna impress her...dont think cause someone on this board said they beat a 540, dont race when with your a chic, cause if the other cars trunk is empty, you will be embarrassed.

If there are conditions, it would apply to BOTH cars, .. wind/temperature would affect BOTH cars, not just the CL-S..sorry, its just that I raced a manual 328 today, and he beat me by a VERY big margin..i was just pissed..
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Ok First off driver is the biggest deal. I have a friend who just got a 330xi manual. He sucks ass I think it would take him about 9 seconds to get to 60MPH. Those kind of people shouldn't have those kind of cars as their first manual car.
Next topic the only 330 series that can beat us is a manual CI. The Manual XI takes 6.4 Gteched with an awesome manual driver done 3 times.
328i, yeah they can beat us if we lose traction that's about it. the manual 328i runs at best 6.7
Also the 540i non sport package with just Auto runs about the same we do. But sport package with 6-speed we get our ass kicked in that is more likely to compete with CLK430's and Boxsters.
But watch out for those kids in the Civic EX's with the three inch pipes those things really fly (hahah.)
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deadlyCL-S

I just want to let you know that you didn't break my heart. Well as far as beating that list of cars you mentioned anyways. But reading about how its possible a chick riding with me might hate me if I do lose, well now that does break my heart.

In that case I'd ask, Where's the BFLH?

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But watch out for those kids in the Civic EX's with the three inch pipes those things really fly (hahah.)
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Funny you should mention that. On the freeway (flow doing about 90 MPH), I saw a couple of Civics. One of them was an EX, about an inch off the ground with 3 passengers. It took off faster than the 911 Carrera I checked out the other day -- I'm not kidding...

(His stickers alone were good for 300 HP)


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Old 04-25-2001, 11:45 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by EricL:
Funny you should mention that. On the freeway (flow doing about 90 MPH), I saw a couple of Civics. One of them was an EX, about an inch off the ground with 3 passengers. It took off faster than the 911 Carrera I checked out the other day -- I'm not kidding...

(His stickers alone were good for 300 HP)

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Well personally I love watching it. I live in a pretty wealthy area. And I'm always seeing Carrera's, M5's, CL 55's and the list goes on. Well of course all the kids have their Integra's and Accord's and Civic's and 3 series Bimmers. Not knocking any of these cars but they put stickers, fart pipes, big wings. And then they try and race one of these 80K+ Machines. And if they guy doesn't race back, they call it a win. Or they will brag the whole day how they just took on an M5. When their car couldn't even beat an X5.
There is a guy in the Paine Webber office I work at that has a VW Rabbit from the 80's I think. He put an M3 engine in it with all kinds of shit and what he does is find these kids and beats the shit out of them with their friends or girls in their cars. It is great he tells us stories all the time.

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deadlyCL-S,

you read that the s500 does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds?

is this going back to the magazine racer thing now?

i'm getting confused now! first there is a post saying that people who are quoting data they read somewhere doesn't hold much water, and now i'm claiming to ACTUALLY beat a car, and now you say it's not possible...because you READ SOMEWHERE?

life must suck for all of us now...

if we base our findings on magazines and published times, we get labeled mag racers and told there's no comparison to real world outcome.

if we base our findings off of experience and real world outcome, we're told we're lying 'cuz it doesn't concur with published numbers.

man...talk about a rock and a hardplace.

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I don't race my CL-S at all. When I drive it I am in my own little world
Pushing the sways while taking the twisties trying to wear out the stock tires, relaxing in my heated leather power seats with more side and leg room, cranking the stereo (there is bass, you just have to raise the volume all the way up!), spinning the tires with vsa off, enjoying the luxo coup ride, looking at the trees and sky in my zaino'd hood, enjoying fresh air from the sunroof,.....

When one of these bimmer guys goes flying past, I either blind him with my xenon hid's, or I pull into an expensive restuarant because I can afford it after saving $10K+ on my maintenance free CL-S



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Old 04-25-2001, 11:56 PM
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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mrdeeno:
deadlyCL-S,

you read that the s500 does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds?

is this going back to the magazine racer thing now?

i'm getting confused now! first there is a post saying that people who are quoting data they read somewhere doesn't hold much water, and now i'm claiming to ACTUALLY beat a car, and now you say it's not possible...because you READ SOMEWHERE?

life must suck for all of us now...

if we base our findings on magazines and published times, we get labeled mag racers and told there's no comparison to real world outcome.

if we base our findings off of experience and real world outcome, we're told we're lying 'cuz it doesn't concur with published numbers.

man...talk about a rock and a hardplace.
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Perfectly said:
However only one guy started that and their were about 90 posts and 90% of those were in rebuttal. We need to use magazines to base off of. #1 reason I can't afford every car to go test at the track. #2 They are pretty accurate and also using the same variables for every car. Not saying their times are exactly right juts saying it compares to all the other times. So what they say 6.5 we do it in 6.2 ok fine we weigh less and don't' have equipment in the car. But if they say 6.4 for another car that doesn't mean we beat it. That means it will be close but we should lose by .1 sec. Everything should be taking into comparison to the given circumstances during the run.

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how the heck do you know they all have their winter/summer rim on the trunk??
m friend's 328's trunk is empty all the time ~

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by deadlyCL-S:
okay, whatever,

yeah mustang 5-speed V8 GT will lose to our CL.

and a z28, will lose too, ok hell, our cars are the fastest cars in the world.

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by mrdeeno:
deadlyCL-S,

you read that the s500 does 0-60 in 5.8 seconds?

is this going back to the magazine racer thing now?

i'm getting confused now! first there is a post saying that people who are quoting data they read somewhere doesn't hold much water, and now i'm claiming to ACTUALLY beat a car, and now you say it's not possible...because you READ SOMEWHERE?

life must suck for all of us now...

if we base our findings on magazines and published times, we get labeled mag racers and told there's no comparison to real world outcome.

if we base our findings off of experience and real world outcome, we're told we're lying 'cuz it doesn't concur with published numbers.

man...talk about a rock and a hardplace.

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Ah come on, we only need a local camera crew; the crew from C/D, R/T, and M/T; a lawyer; a couple of motorcycles for the shoot; a notary (for all of the signed statements); and don't forget 3 witnesses from each registered political party.

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