Pure Adrenaline

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I have H&R Sports right now, and I want to upgrade to a coilover system.

I've looked around, and have come up with two choices.

1. Tein SS

2. Ground Control Coilover w/ damping adjustable shocks, like Koni or Tokico.


Now, the first choice would run about 900 dollars. The second set, I think, would be around... I don't know. 370 for the GC kit, plus 560 for Koni, so 930.

Now my question is, according to the Suspension section, there are two choices of GC Coilover kit. To be used to stock shocks, and to be used with Koni shocks only.

Well, is it possible to use it with any other shocks? What are other more affordable alternatives on shocks? I mean, the whole point of my looking into other kits than the Tein SS is so that I could save money.

Please help. Thank you.

Pure Adrenaline

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2 guesses.

1. Everyone on this forum hates me and doesn't want to give me advice.

2. You guys are stupid.


Any advice is appreciated.

PiMpiN wHITe Cl-S

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i would say just go with the tein ss. its better if you got something that works with each other (spring+shocks)..instead of mix and matching (GC+Koni). from what ive heard using other shocks with the GC will make it bouncy..not sure though..

btw..if you look hard enough you can find the Teins for a good price..something in the range of 850-900

Pure Adrenaline

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The thing is, when the shocks wear out on the Tein SS, you have to replace the entire unit. That would suck a lot... not to mention expensive.

just a reader

thought teins come with life time warranty

brianlin87

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they do

Pure Adrenaline

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Does that warranty cover worn out shocks??

darrinb

dont the teins bottom out, i think if u get it w/ edfc they wont

just a reader

They bottom out on just a regular drop (1-2 inch)???

you gotta be kidding rite

Louie11

I have never bottomed out with mine. I have them lowered in the summer to the point where you can just get 2 fingers between the fender and the wheel and the stiffness on 12 out of 16.

ATLcl98

I know you can get upgraded springs from Tein (stiffer spring rate).

With the GCs, you can mate them to KYBs and Tokicos, you just have to specify that. You can also order custom spring rates as well.

If you have more money, have you thought about Zeals or JIC coilovers? I have Teins on my 1st gen, and love them...just thought I'd give you some other options...

Pure Adrenaline

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ill*tl over at A-TL suggested that I just get a set of Koni's and use my Sport springs. What do you guys think about that? I like the idea.

redryder83

Teins all the way man, you'll be more happy with this combo.

peiqinglong

http://www.acura-cl.com/forums/showt...5&pagenumber=2

peiqinglong

Tein can rebuild the shocks, you do not need to rebuy the shocks.

peiqinglong

Yes u can get upgraded springs, I had them.

darrinb

what do u have to get so your car wont bottom out, is it edfc??, cause these are designed for the accord and its lighter...

peiqinglong

EDFC is the electronic damper force control which controls the damper which is related to ride quality. In this case, it will not help in the bottoming out issue.

The issue with bottoming out has to do with the spring rate. The CL is about 400 lbs heavy than the Accord and the springs that Tein ships with the Accord/CL/TL kit is designed only for the Accord. In drops of up to 2 inch, bottoming out is not an issue. It's when you go lower that you have problems. I was fine at 2 inchs, but when I started going to 2.5...3.0 inchs did I have problems. For most people that is way too low, so they do not need to consider upgrading springs. One draw back to upgrading the springs, in my case because I did 2 kgf spring upgrade, is that that is significantly stiffer than what Tein originally ships; so when the springs settled, it didn't settle much. Previous before, I could go as low as about 3 something inchs. With the upgraded springs, the lowest I could go was 2.7 or so.

darrinb

i see, can u buy them with the upgraded springs to save $$??

DaveTypeS02

How bout the Apexi WS coilovers

peiqinglong

Cost you the same. It would be better to purchase them after because then atleast you get the old spring and the new spring. Before they allowed you to do a free upgrade at the time of order, but no more.

peiqinglong

Slightly stiffer than the Teins. No pillow mounts. Can go lower than Teins, but no adjustable shocks.

Pure Adrenaline

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What is a pillow mount, peiqing?

peiqinglong

Pillow Mounts.

I imagine some of you never heard of what a pillow mount is or what it does. Let me assist you. For the next part fo the informative post of the year by me, we'll discuss pillow mounts. For further reading, you may wish to visit this. But for a basic run down. Your car has pillow mounts. It comes stock. When you use springs, you'll basically be reusing your stock pillow mounts. This is also true if you are using the Tein S/S kit also. So what about all the other kits with upgraded pillow mounts you ask? Well there are two types of pillow mounts. We'll discuss the first one first . The first type is just your ordinary big chunk of aluminum or whatever metal they wish to use to make it. By having an aftermarket one that is thicker than your stock one, it allows for better steering response because the springs can't "dig" so much into the thicker ones as it can in the flimsy little stock one. This is also makes the ride stiffer also. The second type of pillow mount is the adjustable camber pillow mount. This does away with the need for camber kits because camber adjustments are done straight from top. And usually with the camber adjustments being up there, it's easier to get closer if not at stock numbers.

The picture shown below is a comparasion between the NEX kit (left) and the Tein S/S kit (right). This picture shows two things, the difference in the upper pillow mount and why the NEX can never be set to stock height and why the NEX can go lower than the Tein can.

peiqinglong

http://www.tein.com/pumnt.html